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Military Ranks within the Horde and Alliance

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I was curious I'll admit to see what kind of rank Feralmoon would have to be within the United States army to act as she does as Drill Sargeant to the Horde. I looked up a lot of military rankings and found that within the US Army she would probably be an E-5 to E-6 ranking meaning she'd be some kind of Sergeant. I was thinking perhaps E-6 to be a Staff Sergeant who actually could function in the place of a Sergeant First Class.

I found this basic chart indicating a few of the common denominations for military rank within the modern world. They have this same chart on the normal wikipedia site, and since I've seen a few military rankings within the game I was curious to see where everyone was within the chart. It's rather interesting actually to see what the duties would be for each person.

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This is the basic chart you'll find on just about any site containing definitions of the individual ranks- duh. I got this from wiki.

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And this, yes yes, I know you all are familiar with this, QQ some more over inactive titles you pussies. For RP purposes the ranks follow fairly closely with the ranks in the modern military, so again, I would have to assume that after five-six years of service that perhaps the elevated station of her patrons as well as the dedication and service she has given to the Horde has put Feralmoon at the rank of Staff Sergeant.

The only reason I put her so high is because RPly Feral is a Drill Sergeant within her own guild and I thought perhaps that it would make sense Feralmoon does this for the Horde as well, acting as a recruitment agent and non-comissioned officer rather than reaching for any higher of a title.

And besides. Just because we're a bunch of marauding bands of hooligans doesn't mean we can't have a touch of class ; )

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Whenever I tell anybody that knew the old PvP system that Dio is a commander, they look at me funny. My excuse is that the Horde would have to have a lot more military ranks than simply what is shown there. >_>

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Well, I figure that the people with the actual titles are people that were formally recognized. You guys got your titles after the fact. In my head, anyway.

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Well, I figure that the people with the actual titles are people that were formally recognized. You guys got your titles after the fact. In my head, anyway.

Thats not exactly fair to Rp developement though, least not if people are claiming High Warlord or anything alittle high. As long as its not used as some sort of RAWR I'M A GENERAL OBEY ME deal, then I dont see the problem with it if they back it up RPly.

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Keep in mind something important. The rank system for PvP is linear and single branch progression, which is not realistic whatsoever for most militarizes in the world.

Most have 2 branches of progression, the commissioned and non-commissioned rates. basically the commissioned rates are your officer branch. In today's military that usually means someone who has a university degree from either an accredited civilian program or was accepted into a post secondary program in Mil col. Those are your Cadets/Ensigns up to General/Admiral rank. (Captains, Majors, Colonels. etc..). That is the main leadership and administrative branch of the hierarchy.

The non-commissioned rates are the rank and file, although they too have opportunity for significant progression. They are not generally university trained, but can be quite intensively trade trained. These are your Private Recruits/Ordinary Seamen up to and including your Master Chiefs and Master Warrants. (only a foolish officer does not listen to their chief. )

Here is a breakdown of the Commissioned and Non-Commissioned rates in the US military.

Here is a nice comparison chart with my Canadian ranks and the US rank designator equivalents along the left side. (keeping in mind it is hard to compare ranks as the time progression I have found for Canadian ranks is much slower than the US ranks. It can take 10-12 years to reach E6 in Canada for example,)

Now historically the commissioned members were derived from nobility, the officers being the sons of the Knights and Barons and such. The rank and file were usually just peons (*snickers*) or peasants that were either trained militia from the citizens or pressed into service in some cases (press gangs were the recruiters of yore).

So if a looking for some viable military ranking system for the Horde or Alliance it might be good to look at the background of the character. For example Skafloc is a Baron. He would hold some commissioned rank among the Farstriders. Darkweald for example should she work for the Farstriders may be a sergeant.

Whenever I tell anybody that knew the old PvP system that Dio is a commander, they look at me funny. My excuse is that the Horde would have to have a lot more military ranks than simply what is shown there. >_>

Dio hits on the point that each race would have their own system for their own military I would imagine. Nothing says they all had to be the same once joining the Horde.

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Now historically the commissioned members were derived from nobility, the officers being the sons of the Knights and Barons and such.

"Historically" on Earth, maybe. This ain't Medieval Europe. Hell, Sylvanas' entire race is relatively newly formed, there is no "nobility," except those she gave power to.

"Hmmm....look at that new corpse risin gover there, Fritz. Who are you, corpse?"

"I AM THE EARL OF THE SECOND PROVINCE OF NORTHREND, KNEEL BEFORE YOUR SUPERIOR, FORSOOTH"

"....yeah right, chump. Pull my other leg now. Go see George over there about diggin' them fortifications against the Scourge.

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Dio hits on the point that each race would have their own system for their own military I would imagine. Nothing says they all had to be the same once joining the Horde.

I could put in Dio's rank that he is instead a Chieftain (being the last remaining member of the Riverhorn Tribe, he's chieftain by default) but I don't see that factoring into a Horde system so much. It honestly wouldn't surprise me either that the Horde had adapted a lot of the Alliance ranks (Such as Sergeant) in their military heirachy, either. There's a lot in common between the two, and a few generalizations. Imagining up some great sounding Tauren ranks would be fantastic, but Dio serves the Horde first and foremost, and I'd like to think that a rank as awesome sounding as "Commander" has a place somewhere in the Horde's system.

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"Historically" on Earth, maybe. This ain't Medieval Europe. Hell, Sylvanas' entire race is relatively newly formed, there is no "nobility," except those she gave power to.[/i]

But it still holds true that she obviously would have stood up some she found suitable as her officer to run things. That is how ALL nobility originally came into being, some leader rewarded his/her chums with authority, land and title for their loyalty and a job well done.

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How many of you actually RP that you are in complete service to the Horde or Alliance, let alone a full on member of their military and not just some random mercenary that fights for quest rewards?

I know most of you would rather display a rank as a gladiator or champion of a race not aligned with either Horde or Alliance. So from that stand point at least I would believe that it's nice to even think of ourselves as scouts and grunts. Time to relax a bit on imaginary ranks I would think, just my opinion though.

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How many of you actually RP that you are in complete service to the Horde or Alliance, let alone a full on member of their military and not just some random mercenary that fights for quest rewards?

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Me.

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I wasn't attempting to bring about tension I was just trying to figure out why the interest in Horde and Alliance military ranks when I know that most people (At least RP) that they have more tension among their own faction than they do with the opposite. So in seeing all that I was unsure as why there would be a bit of discussion about it. To the point of thinking up other ranks than are (or were) achievable in the game, I would think for the one of two of you that actually are into the military style of the Horde or Alliance that it would be more than sufficient ranking style than to attempt to think up other ranking systems. If this offends you then I am sorry you feel that way.

I personally just figure everyone would be more interested in going about using their own guild rank as a military rank than one of their own faction, IE I am a Guardian of Sanctuary or an Instructor or Silvermoon University. I would think people would hold their own guild ranks much higher than that of something they have achieved amongst the Horde or Alliance seeing as that they most likely in game and RP wise do more for and with their guild than they do for their faction.

Instead of getting mad at me I would much rather you enlighten me on why the idea of coming up with new ranks or using other ranks that most people wouldn't understand until giving a description and reason why you are using said rank, when there are many more readily available ranks in the game already.

What I am trying to say is that I am confused and don't know you why you want to do this and I would like to know.

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Dio hits on the point that each race would have their own system for their own military I would imagine. Nothing says they all had to be the same once joining the Horde.

I hold to this as well. It's known that Keraph goes by the title Warlord, although he's only a Legionairre or something as far as the PvP ranks go. However, Keraph obviously doesn;t care about how the horde ranks peeps. His rank is among the Forsaken military.

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How many of you actually RP that you are in complete service to the Horde or Alliance, let alone a full on member of their military and not just some random mercenary that fights for quest rewards?

My character does, as a Stone Guard, however my actual PvP rank before the change only went as high as Sergeant. I REALLY love the idea of my character being fully for the Horde in the military since his first meeting with them when they found the Darkspear Tribe.

I think its a neat way to introduce a once used in game mechanic, as well as in game lore/characters, into your own RP.

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The rank and file were usually just peons (*snickers*) or peasants that were either trained militia from the citizens or pressed into service in some cases (press gangs were the recruiters of yore).

Thaaats Yuse, only he's a really tough peon with a big axe. I figure Centurion would be the optimum rank, something that can be respectable, but something low enough that he is definitely a fighter and not a leader.

I just handle the lack of rank title as Yuse doesn't go around proclaiming his rank, or pulling rank and what not. Pretty reasonable, I think.

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As a note, Naheal still uses his old Blood Knight rank (Knight-Champion) even though he was (forcefully) removed from the Knights. This, however, could easily change once the trial thread is done.

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Actually Dio I'd imagine that Tauren military rank would be a lot like the Hordes. Braves are the equivalent of Grunts, something like that. Chieftain being a social position as opposed to a military position Dio would have Chieftain as a sort of sub-title, being that Chieftains in Amerindian societies, at least some of them were heads of a council and were a representative for the rest of the tribe.

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As many points as sharing a last name with a NElf makes Dio lose, the Highlander quote keeps him on the good side.

No Night Elf is related to me! I'll make perfectly sure of that!

/derail

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How many of you actually RP that you are in complete service to the Horde or Alliance, let alone a full on member of their military and not just some random mercenary that fights for quest rewards?

I know most of you would rather display a rank as a gladiator or champion of a race not aligned with either Horde or Alliance. So from that stand point at least I would believe that it's nice to even think of ourselves as scouts and grunts. Time to relax a bit on imaginary ranks I would think, just my opinion though.

I would like to obtain the rank 'Black Operative', 'Apothecary', 'Specialist', 'Contracted Agent', 'Exterminator', 'Special Forces Operative' or 'Infiltrator', but alas, if I want these ranks, I have to make them myself, and I still hadn't haven't reach a point in RP to deserve these ranks. Well, except 'Apothecary', but that might change because I'm considering a profession change to Engineering (still trying to figure out which specialization's more practical) 'Infiltrator' or 'Contracted Agent'. Would had loved to add in 'Special Forces Operative' but I do not have a team of rogues and druids to watch over my back.

Xiphus is in service of the Horde (or rather, the Deathstalkers), but only as a mercenary agent, or a volunteer (that's why he is in the battlegrounds) so he has no official ranks.

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