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I wasn't sure if I should post this in WoW discussions or Lore, but I figured since the story was being told IC, perse, I would put it here.

I'm not the biggest fan of Troll instances, but this trailer is pretty awesome:

Again, Vol'jin is a fucking badass.

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I like the irony that they condemn the Drakkari for sacrificing their gods/acting irrational when they're being attacked by the Scourge, and yet they're going to try and revive/resummon/ect Hakkar into this world to try and do the same thing.

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I know I'm going to be thrown into the stockade for this, but I just don't get it...

Vanilla: "The Gurubashi are consorting with Hakkar and getting drunk on power, go kill them!"

Wrath: "The Drakkari are sacrificing their own Gods and getting drunk on power, go kill them!"

Cata: "Uuh... so there's this Cataclysm, and..... uhhh..... let's ressurrect Hakkar and get drunk on power!"

Vol'jin: *Facepalm*

I mean, it's great that we're seeing Vol'jin get some face time, and I want to see the Darkspear develop in the story because they have been so classically ignored, but just how does the Zandalaris' sudden turn from good trolls who correct the excesses of their people to this moustache-twirling group of kooks bent on world domination make any sense at all?

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I know I'm going to be thrown into the stockade for this, but I just don't get it...

Nope! Not at all! Hence why I used my magical fairy dust and resurrected your post!

Vanilla: "The Gurubashi are consorting with Hakkar and getting drunk on power, go kill them!"

As you know, Hakkar is a dark loa, and wants to turn trolls into his unwilling slaves, this, is something the Zandalari oppose. They worship the loa, and serve them, but not in dominance, they want a balance, not over tipped scales.
Wrath: "The Drakkari are sacrificing their own Gods and getting drunk on power, go kill them!"
I love how they wrote the introduction of the Drakkari, as they were one tribe that got almost no face time since an early mention in WC3, until Wrath. Like you said, they were sacrificing their power, some for personal gains, but also in an 'Oh fuck, oh fuck, god damned zombies everywhere, WHAT THE FUCK DO WE DO?!' What did they do? Oh, used some of the strongest power to their own whims, another way of tipping those scales, and it blew up in their faces. In some cases, LITERALLY.

And don't forget, at that point, the Zandalari didn't care about what the Drakkari were doing, but I know you mean from the players perspective.

Cata: "Uuh... so there's this Cataclysm, and..... uhhh..... let's ressurrect Hakkar and get drunk on power!"

Vol'jin: *Facepalm*

Now, I'm hazy here on the info, myself. I don't know if they're resurrecting Hakkar, or if Hakkar has again done his usual m.o. and used his powerful influence to sway the strongest enemies he had, into his favor. I really need to read up on this if the information is out their. But, I look at it this way:

If the Zandalari are openly resurrecting Hakkar, they may be doing it as a 'fuck you' to the loa that caused so much trouble. Attempting to use a power, like the power once used them, but as usual, it will most likely come with severe consequences. They do feel (somewhat rightfully) that Troll Empires should return (and fuck yes they should, just like you think Night Elves should have their old kingdoms back), so they will do what they feel is 'right', to get that goal. This is most likely, fully blinding them.

Or, as I said, Hakkar has used is influence to bring this about, making his old enemies do their bidding. Now, in classic, the Zandalari were the go to goes for ZG, but they weren't exactly 'good guys'. I wouldn't even call them 'bad' either, they just didn't give a were-bats droppings about the other races, and looked to their own issues, but when Hakkar came back, through a single tribes misguided ideas, they wanted to make sure something they fought against in the past, wouldn't come back to haunt them. This method, would really be Hakkars greatest revenge.

But in the end, its just a way to somewhat justify bring back old instances, though it does sound odd.

I mean, it's great that we're seeing Vol'jin get some face time, and I want to see the Darkspear develop in the story because they have been so classically ignored, but just how does the Zandalaris' sudden turn from good trolls who correct the excesses of their people to this moustache-twirling group of kooks bent on world domination make any sense at all?
Trust me, Vol'jin wants the Empires back, just as bad as the other assembled tribes, and, Zandalari aren't 'good' or 'evil' as mentioned. You're also mistaking a cultural resurgence as 'world domination'. They want their mighty cities, Zul'Gurub, Zul'Aman, Zul'Farrak, to return to what they were. Not go about and take down the Horde and the Alliance, they just don't want to be scattered and divided any longer, but united and strong. Hell, if the Troll Empires (Amani, Gurubashi, Sandfury), returned, they might actually work with the other soverign powers, as trolls have shown to adapt to changing political climates. They may favor Horde ideals, but they might also decide to go neutral.

Zandalar trolls are the tribe that the other off-shoot tribes came from, so it does make sense that they would lead the call for this resurgence. But again, the methods seem...questionable.

I'm sure theres gonna be backstory related quests involved in this that will, hopefully, shed better light.

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GAH! I thought I had deleted that!!

About two seconds after I posted that, I saw this:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2416155859

Post #10

When they asked us to help them, Rastakhan was the King and anyone who played in vanilla and remembers, that Zandalari is not him. It's a priest named Zul who seems to have successfully overthrown our beloved King Rastakhan.

Which means that this is not the same Zandalari from before, but a corrupted group being lead by a corrupted priest.

It suddenly came together for me and I attempted to delete the post... I'm sorry everyone.

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This seems a bit unclear to me, although I suppose when we actually do the instance, we'll understand. According to some flavor text, the Atal'ai (of the Sunken Temple) have recovered large portions of Hakkar's skeleton and are now seeking to resurrect him (As opposed to summoning him as they were trying to do in Vanilla). I believe that the Atal'ai have succeeded, because we then see Jindo (now known as the Godbreaker) in Zul'Gurub with a restrained Hakkar. He is trying to siphon off his powers in a similar way that the avatar of Quetz'lun siphoned off her/his powers to make himself stronger. Quetz'lun

*Jindo fight spoilers*

As players, we make the awesome decision of helping break free Hakkar's bonds so that Hakkar can help US kill Jindo. After the fight is over, it's left unclear what happens to Hakkar. Since, during the fight, we break Hakkar's bonds and have him help us kill Jindo, I believe we're to assume Hakkar either escapes back into the Spirit World, or is actually resurrected and is back in our world. Either way, we fuck up pretty bad, releasing a super-bad Loa in order to stop a moderately powerful Troll.

*End spoilers*

Regarding the Zandalari: I dont think they were ever 'good.' We had this discussion in DW OOC a few days ago. Essentially, the Zandalari are a neutral faction who have no qualms about simply abusing the "Adventurers" in order to achieve the goals that they believe to be the correct one:

In Vanilla, they use us to enter Zul'Gurub and stop Hakkar from continuing to mind-control the Gurubashi (Although I am not sure if it's ever confirmed that Jindo himself fell under Hakkar's sway, like the others).

In Wrath of the Lich King, the Zandalari use us to help stop the Drakkari from sacrificing their Loa, which the Zandalari believe to be wrong/sacrilegious/ect.

Now, in Cataclysm, like Jeedup said, the Zandalari once again tried to use 'us' (Which, in this case, are the Darkspear Trolls under Vol'jin) to help them unite all of the Troll kingdoms into one, unified force again. Like Jeedup said, I personally don't think there's anything wrong with this idea in regards to the Lore, the Trolls have been getting pretty much screwed by all the other race since the emergence of the Night Elves (Please, no tangents on this >.>). The difference, this time, is that Vol'jin, acting on behalf of "us" says "Eff that" and now we are the enemies of the Zandalari.

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I find that interesting, because Vol'jin's actions (from my point of view at least) seem contrary to what we should expect from trolls. I would think that a lot of Darkspears would disagree with his opinions of Garrosh, and on this.

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Well...the Darkspear are definitely the odd man out with regards to how Trolls "should" act. The vast majority of the Darkspear abandoned the classical way of Troll culture in order to...well...survive. Because of Thrall's aid, they've largely abandoned all of the "old ways" that the rest of the tribes still adhere to.

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Thread got hit by the annoying lock bug, nothing bad happened.

Aleria, like any group, you can say, generally, that the Darkspear feel the same as Voljin. The only thing going against that, would be players. But ignoring that, yes, they'd follow his example. The Darkspear have a long history of more peaceful coexistence.

The difference when you say what Vol'jin does is the 'opposite' of what you should forget about trolls, is that you have to take it what tribe your talking about, not just that they're trolls. Darkspears have always been like this, for a long time. Like how the Amani have been very aggressive to the High/Blood Elves, and the Sandfury reclusive but destructive, and so on. Each just has their own flavor. Darkspears, while still aggressive and strong, are abit more passive and peaceful, something that has been viewed as both a strength, and a weakness. They joined the Horde from assistance to, and from Thrall, who they respected. But now that he's out of the picture, it makes perfect sense they (or specifically Vol'Jin) would question his leadership. They majority if Darkspears though, might not do so as openly.

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If you do the troll's starting zone, you'll know that Vol'jin was about to leave the horde because of Garrosh, but only remained cause of Thrall spoke to him.

Go do it, their starting zone is fun.

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