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Tol Barad

Winning as an attacker now rewards players with 1800 Honor Points, up from 180. Winning as a defender still rewards players with 180 Honor Points. (source)

Hnnngh, not sure how I feel about this. I mean, it's a start, yeah, but it's not like it makes it any easier to win as attacker, it just makes it more lucrative.

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Hnnngh, not sure how I feel about this. I mean, it's a start, yeah, but it's not like it makes it any easier to win as attacker, it just makes it more lucrative.

I'm more "Hooray!"ing about the fact that at least Blizzard acknowledges it's an issue.

However, it means that a lot of servers are probably going to win trade now. It's a bandaid and not a particularly good one that fixes ANYTHING. But it's an acknowledgment of the issue.

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I think both sides on TN are too stubborn to win trade. Unfortunate fact is that there will be people on both sides who will just say "yeah, I don't care about defense because I want to win on offense" and do nothing.

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Huh, I hadn't even thought of win trading. I'm glad Blizzard is addressing it also, but I'm really hoping there's more to come.

And even if a lot of servers do just win trade, I'm sure Blizzard will attempt to fix it again (probably in the form of nerfing the honor back down).

Unless their ultimate goal was to get people to win trade.

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Honestly, if something were actually going to happen with it, I would probably be down for win trading in Tol Barad. I know, I know, very non-competitive and lacking of faction pride, but seriously.. 1800 honor every 4 hours? As shitty as it sounds, gearing would be miles beyond what we are experiencing now.

But as Dio said, it ain't gonna happen on TN. People are either too stubborn to relinquish it, or are too untrusting of the other faction to even agree on it, and lets face it, somewhere down the line, some group from either the Horde or the Alliance would decide that they dont want to win trade anymore, and would break it indefinitely.

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I blame the PvEers for Arokai's statement being true ._.

I don't see anything that can connect to PvEers in that regard, infact, its a serious stretch.

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I thought the whole win trading nonsense was the most stupid thing i ever fucking heard. Then I heard that people in Tb are actually talking about it and steering fights already towards that happening. Grats Blizz on rewarding lackluster faction pride and bads.

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PvPers are doing the fight for honor and the commendations, Jeed. PvEers are doing it mostly to get the raid Baradin Hold. It behooves the PvPers to trade wins to boost their reward, while win trading halves the available time to raid BH.

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PvPers are doing the fight for honor and the commendations, Jeed. PvEers are doing it mostly to get the raid Baradin Hold. It behooves the PvPers to trade wins to boost their reward, while win trading halves the available time to raid BH.

Trading wins would actually benefit PvEers in that regard. If anything they would be the ones organizing that sort of thing. A raiding guild would then have a designated time to run Baradin Hold.

Horde own Tol Barad? Well, we're trading it over to Alliance in 30 minutes. Form up the raid.

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Trading wins would actually benefit PvEers in that regard. If anything they would be the ones organizing that sort of thing. A raiding guild would then have a designated time to run Baradin Hold.

Horde own Tol Barad? Well, we're trading it over to Alliance in 30 minutes. Form up the raid.

Pretty much this. But I still think people are overestimating how organized both sides are. Fact of the matter is that there's going to be people in TB that WANT to lose on Defense so that they can attack, and will end out doing nothing for the entire time. There'll be others that try to hold it, but I don't think there'll be enough of them compared to the masses to really maintain a hold on TB for long on defense.

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While actual win trading wont happen, there are enough people now who WANT to win trade, on both sides, defense just got more difficult.

Which is why all three times I went to TB last night, it switched hands.

Just saying. While a majority may not do it, too many will and it will make defense that much more difficult. I got 4k honor last night, TB is a joke... soooo why not buy into it? I certainly cant say I was very active in defense because I wanted a chance to win it back later, and we did.

Was it easy to win back? No. Did the Horde want to win trade? Not all of them, but again, enough on both sides do, to make defense more... difficult. Sold.

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I watched my housemate do a TB last night on his server, Kel'Thuzad. They legitimately have a win-trading agreement: it has changed hands every single time that the battle has come up because no one wants to do ten defense battles to get the same honor as the offense battles. He was all for win-trading because it's almost a new piece of gear every single time they're on offense.

In other words, this change (while encouraging TB to change hands) sucks.

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...wait....they put ANOTHER Raid in a PvP run area? While it was 'cool' in Wintergrasp, you'd think they'd have learned their lesson the last time, especially with all these problems. I'm just glad I've decided to level new toons before I bothered getting my Warrior to 85.

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I didn't even get into TB offense last night because not enough horde were queueing, it wasn't even full, horde just didn't want to show up because they just wanted to lose their defense so they could go on offense again.

Ugh.

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Win trading is for pussies. Nut up or shut up.

QFT. While I can understand that TB is horribly broken and frustrating there's never a cause for pussying out.

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Let us all stop focusing on the bad parts!

It is broken, so let us make the best out of a bad situation and gear up! I for one am comfortable, it isn't even worth getting annoyed about because... well... its broken in its pure form.

So until they make a real fix, lets just enjoy the situation and get some gear! :-)

"As King, you must look at the good in any situation" - Edward I, "Braveheart." While this movie is historically as accurate as my dissertations on my sexual prowess, ask me, Im better than a porn star, ask my gf's... different stories, but who cares.... and I digress, the point is... lets take what we can get and enjoy the honor! Certainly makes the honor grind... better.

And what is more annoying than chain running randoms and being with morons who dont know what they are doing? Id rather cheat the broken system than punch myself in the face with a tac hammer.

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I understand why Blizz implemented this change now, and it's evil. Very evil. They WANT us to trade wins and discourage defense, because then it's changing hands and they're satisfying the PvEers by using the honor incentive for pvpers to trade wins and give each faction 50% time to raid it. And PvE is the source of all evil and too many guild achievements.

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I understand why Blizz implemented this change now, and it's evil. Very evil. They WANT us to trade wins and discourage defense, because then it's changing hands and they're satisfying the PvEers by using the honor incentive for pvpers to trade wins and give each faction 50% time to raid it. And PvE is the source of all evil and too many guild achievements.

You do know that World of WarCraft is a PvE game, first and foremost...right?

Not saying that these fixes and changes are legitimized for that reasoning, but Blizzard does usually put an emphasis on PvE content. They really do need to sit down for a good while and research how to better change their PvP systems.

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You do know that World of WarCraft is a PvE game, first and foremost...right?

Not saying that these fixes and changes are legitimized for that reasoning, but Blizzard does usually put an emphasis on PvE content. They really do need to sit down for a good while and research how to better change their PvP systems.

Lurile is just trying to sound cool since he can't PvE or somesuch nonsense :D

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