The_Golden_Wolf

Women playing Gay Blood Elf men...WHY?

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I can understand now why the anger at being connected with the word Yaoi. There are crazy fangirls for everything. I think the OP's question was just curious. Yaoi was only brought up in response by me. Again, not by anyone else so I know you're just venting, but nobody else is pointing a finger.

I suppose this is a bit of a sidestep, but I've been researching into erotica markets for publication and I notice something interesting. That there is no interest in f/f stories and fem/dom stories. Yet m/m stories are not only asked for, but are begged for! In all submission guidelines I have looked to see why that is, but then I suppose if you read erotica/romantica it makes sense. The market is, for the most part, women. This does not mean the crazy fangirl market, but paying adults.

I have attempted to get my characters involved with other female characters. My personal sexual preference aside, it becomes difficult as I find that there is a blurring line between IC and OOC especially if the player of that female is male. I don't really understand that as I'm very little like any of my characters except for one I barely play. But this has been touched on before.

Vicariously I see the male relationships play out between many of our gay males (and a few are played by males too!) and envy that. There seems to be little blurring of OOC and IC in those relationships as the players know it's just the characters involved. Kinda makes me want to reroll my paladin.

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I've found this discussion to be rather interesting, and has made me think on a few things.

Being straight and playing a male character, I know I don't come from a valid standpoint on pointing out issues that either guy/girl players with guy/girl characters doing what in whos butt or whatever, might seem hypocritical, against the common grain of things, or whatever bullshit. I honestly don't care. I have friends that do both, but have always been curious of their choices.

Some are very obvious and upfront about it, others are alittle more quiet in there reasonings.

This discussion has been incredibly interesting and informative, and I hope it goes on as such.

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As a guy who's rped both a male and a female character (convinsingly), I think I ought to toss in a bit of insight.

For one, on the OT's subject: How many men do you see who are comfortable with roleplaying a gay character? I, for one, wouldn't know where to start, so I don't RP one. There's more to it than that, though.

To the guys who RP a female character: Want her to be convinsing? Watch a woman. See how she reacts to various things. Not just one, either. Watch multiple. Pull your character out of each person's personality and create a character based on that before you say you can do it well.

I would also say that this applies to the opposite as well. Not all women to play guys can get it quite right. Something's wrong or missing in it.

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How many men do you see who are comfortable with roleplaying a gay character?

I'm straight

I RP

-Straight undead male - so no sex >_>

-Bicurious Quel'dorei male

-Straight BElf Female

-Straight Orc

-Straight Undead male - no sex again

-Straight Undead Fem - once again no sex

I really just try to avoid the whole "sex" part of romance in RP... it's not that I'm uncomfortable... it's that I really just don't find it as important to the development of my characters as say... taking someone to the edge of ghostlands and putting them through a ritual that will change their lives.

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I've never played a dude character for more than ten minutes. I'm most definitely a chick. I like being a chick, I like playing a chick, and I probably will forever.

For you chicks who play dudes, have your fun. Hell if I care. For crap's sake, it's an f'ing game. This is the same as asking why so many people play orphans. It's just a character choice. With a penis.

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I've read a couple of different posts talking about how male gamers treat female characters differently. I think I have the solution:

Roll a female Tauren.

Seriously. I have yet to have a single person approach me from the "lolz want 2 b bf + gf??" angle, as those types tend to hit on avatars that resemble girls in real life. I've yet to be treated like a (paraphrased) lesser human being due to my tauren being female either.

Though this does raise the question: do people actually find blood elf female avatars attractive? I've always seen them as anorexic looking preying mantii. Creepy.

/ramble

[e] Also, Fhen is totally a girl playing a gay tauren.

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Now see, things in this thread are getting to me. I can understand playing how you like, and all that jaz..

But don't use "because I get treated unfairly" as your excuse. I play all female characters. Why? Because I am not male, I am not a tomboy, and I don't enjoy trying to pretend I am male, straight, gay or otherwise.

Do I have problems with stupid 15 year old boys hitting on me? Occasionaly. Do I tell them I am old enough to be their mother, and what would SHE think if they were flirting with a girl over the internet, and for all they knew I could be a 70 year old boy touching man..? Absoultely.

We had a conversation in guild chat one day, about how female gamers fail and we are handed everything we've gotten and its all because we have a vagina instead of a penis. Did I sit idly by and let these fat headed, testosterone driven college age boys continue having the conversation? You bet your ass I didn't. I told them that our female gamers were some of the best players in the guild, and while their lazy dps doing asses get to hit two buttons and watch porn, our Lady gamers do things like raid heal, tank, and ever so sweetly call out curses, poisons, debuffs, fight transitions, etc etc in their beautiful female tones, which are intense and ridiculously difficult jobs.

The very idea that we women feel the need to hide behind the male gender, PIXILATED STYLE, to not be bothered, is sad and wrong. I don't get harrassed, and If by chance I do, I tell them where to stick it, put them on ignore, and move on. I don't take that kind of crap out in the world, and by gods I am not going to be forced to play a boy just so I don't have to in a computer game.

So again, if you're playing a gay male, play it because its fun, don't use it as an excuse not to "woman up".

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I've read a couple of different posts talking about how male gamers treat female characters differently. I think I have the solution:

Roll a female Tauren.

Seriously. I have yet to have a single person approach me from the "lolz want 2 b bf + gf??" angle,

I have. But, I'm also Vilmah, and I don't think it matters what I play. Someone out there will have a fetish for it.

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I have. But, I'm also Vilmah, and I don't think it matters what I play. Someone out there will have a fetish for it.

But that doesn't seem to bug you, and if it does, there's nothing in game forcing you to reveal that you're "Vlimah" either.

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But that doesn't seem to bug you, and if it does, there's nothing in game forcing you to reveal that you're "Vlimah" either.

No no, it doesn't bug me. It USED to, for a few split seconds, which was when I went ingogneto for a while.. but now I don't care. Yeah, I'm Vilmah. Yeah I play a thousand different chicks. As long as I don't hurt anyone with my antics, it shouldn't matter.

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No, this isn't a flame. If you read it as such, you're placing the wrong tone on the text. It's a venting of frustration, and an attempt to explain.

Personally, all of my characters, male or female, are bi-sexual, like I am. I have more female characters than I do male characters. I avoid playing the females, and get really bored of them -fast- because of the manner in which people treat me and my character. Yes, the people Al cares for most deeply in his life happen to be males who are also RPed by women. This doesn't mean he's not interested in women, but I've very rarely found a woman who suits his tastes, and he is not the kind of man to come out and directly flirt with a girl if he likes her.

It seems that, automatically, upon attaining a vagina and tits, my IQ is assumed to of dropped to less than half. People feel the need to explain to me how to loot corpses, how to keyboard/mouse turn, how to open my spell book, how to change my camera view, where the 'Royal Exchange' is located, what Thunder Bluff is... I can go on and on and on with the huge, massive, stupid LIST of shit people have tried to 'help' me with once they realized I was a girl, and obviously a lesser human being and not at all capable of playing this game without a big, strong, handsome, witty, funny man (such as themselves) to gently guide my giddy, thoughtless self through every little step. People discount my thoughts on specs, gear and tactic when I'm on my female characters, where as the SAME PEOPLE when pugging in with them AGAIN on a MALE character listened to the SAME advice and THANKED me for it. True, fucking, story.

Do I consider being female in this environment a disadvantage? Yes. Do people treat me like a second class (or lower) citizen, and frequently challenge or make active attempts to disprove my word? Yes. Is this alleviated by playing a male character and not bothering to mention to random strangers that I'm a woman IRL? Yes.

I've had to suffer the 'yaoi fangirl' label for years because of my character choice. Yes, there is enjoyable yaoi out there. Yes, I enjoy many of the art styles, and some of the specific series. However, the label of 'yaoi fangirl' denotes a pre-teen who worships, lives for, breathes, and talks about yaoi series non-stop. The kind of person who knows the birth date, favorite color, height, weight, and 'length' of every major character in their particular series's fandom, both canon and fanon forms, and can give a complete synopsis of every episode or volume. As such, claiming females who RP homo-or-bi-sexual males to be 'yaoi' or 'yaoi fangirls' is both highly demeaning and offensive, feeling as if it's cheapening our characters and RPs, likening them to the fan fiction based brainchildren of horny teenagers.

Oddly, the lesbians RP'd by males are more widely accepted and less brow-quirked at. Not many people even question it anymore. Yet people feel the need to ask why when it's flipped the other way around. It's not strange. It's not abnormal.

In the past, on another Rp community's forum, such a question came up. Someone was wondering about the large amount of males RP'd by females, most of which were bi-sexual or gay. Always, on that forum, it boiled down to the women revealing their reasoning for questioning it: they wanted the men for themselves. It wasn't 'fair' that they were 'all gay'.

Can I quote this whole thing? Thanks...

I just wanted to say, you articulated much of what I do feel as a female gamer. My original post wasn't meant to be insulting, it was more one of shock/surprise, then wondering if there was something I was "missing out on",and desperately wanting to know the answer. I honestly have no angst about it, obviously; since my character is semi-involved with Arte. I can see how playing a female could get annoying, and even worse: strained ...as you have mentioned the peculiar risk of being stalked, as I am currently dealing with this on Carmensita ( and I never use the term stalk loosely). This has been the greatest problem I have dealt with. However I just want to say there are many actual males I pve, pvp , and rp with that are absolutely awesome.

As far as males playing lesbians, no offense...but many do so poorly. I don't really have many alts, as my main characters story is so

complex and involved with so many other people, trying to level her to be of better use to my guild, plus having an officer's position, I am rather busy with her. I have toyed with making my priest a lesbian, despite the fact that I am not one. I also think it would be fun to play a straight male, although that might piss off some of the women who would play some of his future love-interests.

On another note, I just found out what Yaoi was today, I have never heard the term until just recently. I honestly have no idea if this is common practice , hence my surprise. Until now I seriously thought, they were just all gay males irl. So it was a bit of a shocker. I wouldn't go as far as to say all the belf characters are gay. On it's surface there appears to be a select group; which now that I know that they are women,(and I have known for quite a while) it makes complete sense. Yes, belf men are pretty but several of the female makes I have seen (imo) are much more attractive ( I am Bi irl ). This of course makes it difficult for me to play my extremely sexually naive, and completely heterosexual character.

Lastly, it shouldn't matter. However, during a moment of incredible curiosity I had to ask! The challenge now being, not to let this OOC knowlege affect my gameplay or RPing, which I think I have done a fairly good job of.

A big <smooch> for everyone who took the time to explain and help me understand. Ciao!

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People play gay because they find it fun. Girls play gay males because it is fun and it plays to their fantasies or something. No special meaning behind it.

Me, I play a male. Don't ask questions about his sexuality, because he is damned undead!

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!!!

Niethan's radar just pinged off the fucking chart.

Well, he was supposed to be gay, but someone changed that. I have this other idea for this other toon who I will be starting up. Who will be gay. Because it is fun.

Not to mention the gay gone straight character is a complete nutcase.

This guy will be normal!

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It seems that, automatically, upon attaining a vagina and tits, my IQ is assumed to of dropped to less than half. People feel the need to explain to me how to loot corpses, how to keyboard/mouse turn, how to open my spell book, how to change my camera view, where the 'Royal Exchange' is located, what Thunder Bluff is... I can go on and on and on with the huge, massive, stupid LIST of shit people have tried to 'help' me with once they realized I was a girl, and obviously a lesser human being and not at all capable of playing this game without a big, strong, handsome, witty, funny man (such as themselves) to gently guide my giddy, thoughtless self through every little step. People discount my thoughts on specs, gear and tactic when I'm on my female characters, where as the SAME PEOPLE when pugging in with them AGAIN on a MALE character listened to the SAME advice and THANKED me for it. True, fucking, story.

Do I consider being female in this environment a disadvantage? Yes. Do people treat me like a second class (or lower) citizen, and frequently challenge or make active attempts to disprove my word? Yes. Is this alleviated by playing a male character and not bothering to mention to random strangers that I'm a woman IRL? Yes.

I must be doing something wrong...or right! I've never experienced any of that, either with guild groups or PuG's, on any of my characters and they're all female. The only time I've ever been talked to like I was dumb was when I was doing something dumb. The people that treated me that way, I've seen and heard talk to other people--male and female alike--the same way when they were doing something dumb. I've never had the impression I was being treated that way simply because of gender.

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Like that'll stop Niethan.

Niethan better be behaving. If Uncle Dio comes back to a bunch of antics having taken place, he's gonna smackabitch!

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I've never had the impression I was being treated that way simply because of gender.

This. Unless I'm in a PUG and start getting the A/S/L thing. But then it's usually with my blood elf and never with any of the other races. iiiinteresting.

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I just tend to let whatever happens happen with my characters....

Anaie has a life at sea past and is a notorious flirt... married to a male orc (who is a male player)... but flirts with anyone she thinks will be flustered by it. I have her do it more to get people to loosen up.

Kiaransalius took on a life of her own as her story went along. I had her unknown to any type of caring at all, so she just becomes protective and attached to people that show her love. I never really considered what sex it came from, she is a messed up person (much better now of course) and was happy to be cared about. I actually had her interested in male characters but no one was responsive really, I suppose she shouldn't have been such a bitch in the beginning IC. :P

Beloren, straight as an arrow. As is Thar and my Troll Hunter. My female Tauren druid is as well, and my orc warlock is purely about power. My Undead banker warlock doesn't even consider any type of relationship, he just doesn't want to be flogged for screwing up his job as quartermaster.

Relationships with my characters just tend to flow with the characters around them, I never "intend" to do anything, I just RP things out how the character would.

I have no idea how well I play the female characters I play (as far as convincing) but I do my best :P

Oh and the reason I even rolled females for the "main characters" I play was two-fold.

1) on my first server I noticed that if I needed help with a quest or a kill or something and my character was male, I got hardly any. If it was female all the annoying little bastards who said "oh female" helped like crazy. Sure when it was done i was like, "thanks, oh no I don't do that, besides there are no women on the internets. learn it, and love it, now leave me alone or run me through Scarlet Monestary without saying a word." Granted this does not really apply anymore, but my first server was me and about 2 friends when I first started. Needed help alot :P

2) The way the avatars look/move.

I hate the way Blood Elf males run/jump. It drives me nuts. I want to walk everywhere with Beloren, because he doesn't look like he has a lead pipe up his ass when he walks at least. Unfortunately, if I walked everywhere I would be 100 years old before I hit level 40. Plus he is an elf... not a damn bodybuilder. Same with Night Elves.. I think the males look kind of stupid unless they have a perfect combo of gear/looks.

I think the Forsaken female models look cooler overall (even though I have one of each sex) and like the creation aspects available to them.

For my other characters...

Orcs I think both look cool, but I prefer males, mainly because I have no idea how I would rp a female orc... they scare me (as they should!).

Tauren... female, because I like to see things on my screen. Not just half of it taken up by shoulders and back.

Trolls, I think both are cool and have good options and would play either really.

eh.. im ranting now...

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Orcs I think both look cool, but I prefer males, mainly because I have no idea how I would rp a female orc... they scare me (as they should!).

Vilmah is a tiny bundle of fear.

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Too hit on what Syreena said as well... I will only treat someone like they are dumb is when they are being dumb (to me at least). I don't care if you are male or female or even human when it comes to screw ups, I will treat you the same way.

Granted we all make mistakes, so the first few are free. (*waves hand and tells everyone to forget the times I have walked into pulls thinking I was stealthed and wasn't. "why isn't sap working... and why are they all hitting me!"*)

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Niethan better be behaving. If Uncle Dio comes back to a bunch of antics having taken place, he's gonna smackabitch!

Bitchslapping threats mean nothing to Niethan! He sent flowers to Nojinbu, of all people. If he hadn't cut them off, his balls would be made of iron.

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