Being Evil is....

[Shadowspeak]

hard...



It is, dont argue it. This post is a list of the things that makes being evil hard. Feel free to put whatever you like.

[turen]

Well, though Turen isn't evil, RPwise he won't let a Horde he sees live. So I gotta kill anyone I see. Believe it or no ganking like that dosne't sit well with me, especially when they mess around. One time somebody knelt down and /begged. I stopped and beat him to death wist fists and he 'cried out for help'. Killed him. It's hard being a 'bad' guy!

[Rhowen-Prea]

Yeah, tell me about it.

I've been trying to convince people for nine months that Rhowen's a bad guy, and everyone seems so convinced that she's not. And I try to be mean, and Lovely cries, and other people act all patronizing, or just ignore my evil times........... I MEAN WHAT THE HECK, RHOWEN'S WAY OF SOLVING PROBLEMS IS TRYING TO SELL LOVELY OFF TO WHATEVER EVIL IS AFTER HER OWN NECK.

"You know, evil Lich dude, I have this paladin who would totally do ANYTHING I ask her to, and you could totally have her instead of me. Isn't that awesome?"



;_;

[Shadowspeak]

Its not hard to convince people that im evil because well, I'm Undead...

the problem with me is really being social. At the shindig I wanted to prey at people and try to uncover some storyline or such, but being evil and in character, I sat in the back of the cave. Basically my character is the evil guy in the corner, behind the scenes, plotting all the time but not showing himself... the problem is I dont associate with certain people and I loose what would have been some great RP.

:(

[Niethan]

I think a hard point is deciding upon how the character is evil, and how their playstyle reflects it.

I have this one alt, not very far along, that I decided was going to be an attempt at evil. She's pleasant, naive, and kinda a sterotypical Stepford Wife/June Cleaver.

She was one of the cultists that welcomed the Plague. She drowned her own children in the bath, hoping to infect them.

[Danyxandra]

((Pfft, being evil is easy. It's being good that's hard for me. Being good is natural, therefore, it is difficult to jump out of my skin and play a good person without slipping out of IC and into my RL OOC. It's hard to separate my character from the real me when I play a good guy cuz it's too close to home. Jumping into evil skin, however, keeps me RPing because it is outside of my natural state, and a hell of a lot more entertaining to be something so NOT the real me.

It's like...do I want to come home from work and pretend to be a nice neighbor and feed the cat and protect the innocent like I do everyday anyway even not at the keyboard...or do I want to come home, slip into something slutty and pretend to be a mad slasher for shits and giggles. I'll take bloody orgies with Mistress Clys over Desparate Elfwives any day.))

[Teelia]

Yeah, tell me about it.

I've been trying to convince people for nine months that Rhowen's a bad guy, and everyone seems so convinced that she's not. And I try to be mean, and Lovely cries, and other people act all patronizing, or just ignore my evil times........... I MEAN WHAT THE HECK, RHOWEN'S WAY OF SOLVING PROBLEMS IS TRYING TO SELL LOVELY OFF TO WHATEVER EVIL IS AFTER HER OWN NECK.

"You know, evil Lich dude, I have this paladin who would totally do ANYTHING I ask her to, and you could totally have her instead of me. Isn't that awesome?"



;_;

Thats not evil, thats self preservation! hehe

[EnheilRas]

Being evil is fun, if you mask it as something good.

Like say... hiding your incredible bloodlust under the guise of righteous destiny. Killing in the name of defense where there is really nothing to defend. GOing out of your way to spread mayhem and pestilence unto those which have not done you wrong, but are like those that *may* have. Using paranoia, racism, and warmongering to your adventage to sway those to do your biddings. To force your opinions and beliefs on others without them knowing it, and watch them carry out your will. Turning an angry mob into an army, and sitting back to witness them burn the world.

ALl while maintaining a guise that you are a hero, and doing what is right.

[Keraph]

Being evil is fun, if you mask it as something good.

Like say... hiding your incredible bloodlust under the guise of righteous destiny. Killing in the name of defense where there is really nothing to defend. GOing out of your way to spread mayhem and pestilence unto those which have not done you wrong, but are like those that *may* have. Using paranoia, racism, and warmongering to your adventage to sway those to do your biddings. To force your opinions and beliefs on others without them knowing it, and watch them carry out your will. Turning an angry mob into an army, and sitting back to witness them burn the world.

ALl while maintaining a guise that you are a hero, and doing what is right.

Yeah, they tried that once, it didn't go so well ^^;

[Aquizit]

Being evil is fun, if you mask it as something good.

Like say... hiding your incredible bloodlust under the guise of righteous destiny. Killing in the name of defense where there is really nothing to defend. GOing out of your way to spread mayhem and pestilence unto those which have not done you wrong, but are like those that *may* have. Using paranoia, racism, and warmongering to your adventage to sway those to do your biddings. To force your opinions and beliefs on others without them knowing it, and watch them carry out your will. Turning an angry mob into an army, and sitting back to witness them burn the world.

ALl while maintaining a guise that you are a hero, and doing what is right.


SO MANY civilizations can be tied to that.

[Fhenrir]

I can relate, Shadowspeak. My first character was kind of depressed and antisocial, and I eventually realized that this meant I was never going to get any RP.

Because when you say "leave me alone" and start walking away, a lot of times they do... :?

[Barke]

Hey Shadow if you need to use the fact that we had a run in at Andorhal. I'm always happy to do some interfaction stuff.

Plus things are a bit slow on alliance side at the moment.

[Aquizit]

A lot of IFR are working towards some end-game stuff, and we've lost a few of our higher-seasoned members, so we're.. .. I don't wanna say rebuilding, but.. regrouping is maybe the better word. And we're also gearing up for Operation: Longrifle, .. I'll be 60 by then! :D

[Rhowen-Prea]

Rhowen's a notorious "Rp-Killer", I think, because she doesn't -do- idle chit-chat. Nor does she like people.

Her RP usually involves finding Barke on the steps with some hussy and clearing her throat, and /patting the girl as she leaves. Of course, as Barke chuckles at the whole thing.

Yay daily RP regiments.

[Noury]

Her RP usually involves finding Barke on the steps with some hussy and clearing her throat, and /patting the girl as she leaves. Of course, as Barke chuckles at the whole thing.

Hmm, I think those are the steps I preach near now.. the ones near that fountain outside the Gilded Rose?

Evil is hard, mainly because our years and years of conditioning on what is "proper" behaviour IRL gets in the way I think. It just makes us squeemish..

[Rhowen-Prea]

Psh. Speak for yourself.


*Goes back to sawing through Krastinov's ribcage.*

[Tillna]

Shigana is evil.
She kills for fun.

She walked by many people in SW, and told Serline to kill them for her amusement. And serline did. And Shigana laughed. Shigana was too evil I think, trying to kill everyone, and now is mellowing out..finally...

She will be evil, just not as evil

[Daedraug]

Evil is hard because it doesn't really exist outside a conceptual idea in our world. People who do things that appear "evil" are either actually "crazy"(see above post) or on the other side of a conflict that makes them seem evil to a given set of people. The idea of being a perfectly rational person who just happens to have a moral compass that points in the opposite direction is by definition impossible. One of the reasons people are apt to try and embody this idea of evil in mmo's is because the sense of self preservation that keeps people from doing certain things such as starting needless fights to the death, amking a person who chooses to do so nuts, is absent.

What that means is that when playing an "evil" character, a person has to put that much more work into the backstory. Are you just crazy? If so you can get away with about any dastardly deed you want. However, you'll be boring and often silly. Do you want a complex character who might use extreme methods to accomplish a driving goal? That's more realistic but harder to do.

This is one of the reasons that I don't ever use blatanly "evil" antagonists in my tt roleplaying games. The only things that are evil by nature in my settings are demons and the like, who are only that way because they exist for the specific purpose of spreading a particular form of discontent. They, not being "human" aren't bound by the same innate morality that humanoids and the like are.

[Noury]

Psh. Speak for yourself.

*Goes back to sawing through Krastinov's ribcage.*

Ahh, but thats not "evil" per se, just a little too enthusiastic about your work, and a little messy (unless he's all dried up, then its just dusty..) :lol:

Now, from what I have been reading in the archives, Clys I think has a pretty good grasp of evil.

So does that Conidvh fellow (or did.. until it caught up to him).. :twisted:

Now if I were to try my hand at evil, I would be a Grand Inquisitor, like Torquemada ..

(Hehe,, Now I have that Mel Brooks song in my head.. from History of the World..))

[Daedraug]

Dae started to slide along with Netherlyn's whole ordeal, justifying the things he did by thinking of how scared the Horde would be to move beyond their borders with a monster like 'Lyn about. However, the words from Macbeth began to hold true: "Blood will have blood."

The more they did, the worse their deeds became, and all it brought was retaliation in-kind. So he went the opposite way and begain trying to take the high ground and defend what needed defending. He's still a bit vengeance minded at times, but has had a turn-around. It was too hard for me to justify why he would be at peace with certain things that happened.

[Hifazat]

Evil is fun. But playing a character that defies stereotypes and messes with people's perceptions of what is good and evil is much more fun. That is Hifazat :D

You all know Hifazat's side which I protray in game on this forum. Some characteristics are:

1. Narrow-minded
2. Racist ie wishes to kill all the horde
3. Rude, obnoxious and generally unpleasant.

Feel free to add what I missed.

However Hifazat is also:

1. Honest
2. Loyal (like a rabid bulldog)
3. Protective of the keepers and as a whole the alliance. An example is when I offer to help anybody OOC wise it is directly linked to my characters actions. If Hifazat as a character did not wish to help people, I would never offer.
4. Open to discussion. Like all people there are certain views he will not change but he is open to learn and adapt to what he does learn and is flexible on certain issues. No I am not going to tell you what those issues are :p .

Feel free to add what I missed. ((not many are going to add stuff here :p )).

Now playing a character like this confuses the hell out of people as some of the positive characteristics are subtle so they are easily over looked.

Is Hifazat evil? By modern western definition of what is evil? Yes. But he is much more than the stereotype people automatically assume.

[Tillna]

Shiggy is crazy.
She does however, use extreme methods to obtain what she wants. She steals body parts to better her self through a twisted for of Necromancy. She does this to strengthen her self, but she doesn't mind killing if needed

[Mortica]

I really really tried to be evil when I made Mort. I even joined what was to become one of the most hated guilds in the early part of the server (Overpowered) to be "evil". Unfortunately, OP was evil in an OOC manner, not an RP manner, so it really didn't work out that well.

Plus after I got this site started up, from a PR perspective it would be kinda bad form for me to go around willy nilly ganking people and poisoning their dogs and camping the entrance to UBRS so Alliance can't get in...

<.< >.> <.<


Just too nice a person I guess. Maybe I'll try again sometime with some other character *giggle*

[Mynikens]

My thoughts on "Evil"
Evil is not just the act of doing "bad" things, but rather not caring what or who you hurt in your pursute of your own gain. Sure lots of people hurt others trying to get what they want, but for the most part, they are un aware of what they do. Those people are not evil, just ignorant to the fact. If you pointed it out to them, they would most likely feel bad about it.

Now An evil person... When you point out that they are hurting another with their actions, the first thing they think is "I don't care." Now most can boast this, but truely deep down they feel some form of remorse for their actions. Evil people do not. As long as it benifits them, it is all the better. And that little part of the concious that says "What if it happened to me." Is not there.

Just my 2cp

[Chavie]

love me for me?

[Shadowspeak]

Hey Shadow if you need to use the fact that we had a run in at Andorhal. I'm always happy to do some interfaction stuff.

Plus things are a bit slow on alliance side at the moment.

That made me so mad, everytime Id'e focus my attack on the damn hunter then the "clack" of cheapshot out of nowhere.... heh. Half the time I was trying to help her fight an abomination, but she attacked me while I was fighting it so I ended her... then *clack* again.
(edit)

I must agree with Chavie (my character isn't anti-social but he HATES alliance, which is why I refused to go unto the beach during the shindig cept to translate). Give your character a personality, just dont make him the genocidal maniac. Shadowspeak, for instance, is a manipulator. He pokes and prods at someone to uncover their angry side for fun, and uses their troubles and weaknesses against them (after he discovers them). For ifor an example, Lilly is a Sandfury Troll. I call her Sandrat and/or Sandgirl to get her mad.

[Laron]

/waits in the shadow for his job offer.

[Shadowspeak]

/waits in the shadow for his job offer.

Shush.

>.>

<.<

[Rosemerta]

I like Rosey and her alter ego.. they're both nuts. Nuts is much, much easier then evil. When you are crazy, there is no black and white, right or wrong, only grey and crazy. You can walk around and kill people willy-nilly, all the while talknig to a doll.

No one can -really- get angry at you, because, well.. you have no reasoning power.


Now evil, is completely different all together. Evil is cowerdice. Evil is concious and intellegent.

The worlds greatest evil, comes from the people who you would absolutely least expect it from. The loving, kind and gentle wife who cares for you, all the while poisoning you, waiting quietly to take your power for her own..

The innocent orphined child who befriends you and then slits your throat in your sleep..

The devout priest working ever so dilligently for a cure, while secretly poisoning the masses to spread the histaria..

Evil knows what its doing, knows its wrong and deceitful, and does it anyway, just because it can.

Being evil is hard to do, not because of the wicked acts, but the kindness you have to hide behind, and the reprocussions you face once discovered.

Thats why madness is so much easier to pull off. Very few people can ever truely pull evil off well.

[Tillna]

I like Rosey and her alter ego.. they're both nuts. Nuts is much, much easier then evil. When you are crazy, there is no black and white, right or wrong, only grey and crazy. You can walk around and kill people willy-nilly, all the while talknig to a doll.

No one can -really- get angry at you, because, well.. you have no reasoning power.


Now evil, is completely different all together. Evil is cowerdice. Evil is concious and intellegent.

The worlds greatest evil, comes from the people who you would absolutely least expect it from. The loving, kind and gentle wife who cares for you, all the while poisoning you, waiting quietly to take your power for her own..

The innocent orphined child who befriends you and then slits your throat in your sleep..

The devout priest working ever so dilligently for a cure, while secretly poisoning the masses to spread the histaria..

Evil knows what its doing, knows its wrong and deceitful, and does it anyway, just because it can.

Being evil is hard to do, not because of the wicked acts, but the kindness you have to hide behind, and the reprocussions you face once discovered.

Thats why madness is so much easier to pull off. Very few people can ever truely pull evil off well.
veyr....VERY well put..
grey and crazy....hehe

[Xeran]

I have a warlock, Elbert, that I haven't played in a while who is evil. But he's fun evil. Once he has rearranged Stormwind, you'll all be much happier. The ones that live through it, anyway. Playing an anti-social kind of evil (excluding other people from your dealings) would be tough. Elbert would love company! You can help carry explosives!

"Today we're turing the Stockades into a swimming pool connected to the moat!" *Hands you a box of explosives* "Now bring that box to the Stockades, I've got the wiring and Juk'thor (voidwalker) has the blasting caps. You do have the blasting caps, right?" *Uncomfortable silence* *Elbert sighs* "Honestly, I don't know why I put up with this ... the Forsaken are pricey, but at least they are organized."

"Don't be too concerned about the people in the Stockades when we detonate it. There will be a slight ringing in their ears, fortunately they will be nowhere near them."

[Syreena]

"Don't be too concerned about the people in the Stockades when we detonate it. There will be a slight ringing in their ears, fortunately they will be nowhere near them."

That made me laugh out loud! :D

[Daala]

I've never had any trouble doing evil, but I do know of a few resources that might help people who look to darken their writing up. Of them all, this one is the best:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/881610000

[Huffy]

Huffy doesn’t see himself as Evil. He’s a warrior in a military unit fighting to defend his home and to protect his people and those allied with the Dwarves of Ironforge. War is brutal and killing is part of his everyday life. But he believes that a warrior only fights other warriors and that non-combatants should be spared. He respects the fighting qualities of his adversaries, and on many occasions have saluted them for their bravery and honor. He does however, have a vindictive streak a mile wide. Horde showing less than honorable actions receive no quarter.

[Abric]

Oh Jesus...

I'll have to put some time in this post. Come back later, after I polish off my rum and coke and got a weekend to think.

AbricOOC
~Evil isn't being a demon... or having a demon baby. Kicking a dog because it is in your way is evil; and so is cheating on taxes.

[Malebrignon]

Being evil is fun, if you mask it as something good.

Like say... hiding your incredible bloodlust under the guise of righteous destiny. Killing in the name of defense where there is really nothing to defend. GOing out of your way to spread mayhem and pestilence unto those which have not done you wrong, but are like those that *may* have. Using paranoia, racism, and warmongering to your adventage to sway those to do your biddings. To force your opinions and beliefs on others without them knowing it, and watch them carry out your will. Turning an angry mob into an army, and sitting back to witness them burn the world.

ALl while maintaining a guise that you are a hero, and doing what is right.

Or, say, pretending to be a half-senile and grandfatherly old man who dotes on his adopted family, all the while making plans on how he can use them to accomplish his own ends in reclaiming his world-shattering powers...

[Shadowspeak]

I've never had any trouble doing evil, but I do know of a few resources that might help people who look to darken their writing up. Of them all, this one is the best:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/881610000

I based my half dragon rogue/fighter off that book.

[turen]

Being evil is fun, if you mask it as something good.

Like say... hiding your incredible bloodlust under the guise of righteous destiny. Killing in the name of defense where there is really nothing to defend. GOing out of your way to spread mayhem and pestilence unto those which have not done you wrong, but are like those that *may* have. Using paranoia, racism, and warmongering to your adventage to sway those to do your biddings. To force your opinions and beliefs on others without them knowing it, and watch them carry out your will. Turning an angry mob into an army, and sitting back to witness them burn the world.

ALl while maintaining a guise that you are a hero, and doing what is right.


Thats EXACTLY what I do!

[Xoscyl]

Xoscyl has been pretty interesting to play... she's not my first evil character, but I haven't been able to pin point what all is evil about her. There is her pure hatered for Dwarves, and her plans for them... but I have yet still to figure her completely out. I think what's so hard about it is that she isn't 100% evil. There is a bit of good in her, like most people who would think of themselves as evil. Why is my character so determined to slaughter dwarves? To avenge the death of many members of her clan. That doesn't seem such an evil reason, some would think it's a noble task..... but I think that's what makes it hard, defining where the lines of evil and good are for her. Now, the character I will be making when the expansion comes out? Totally evil, pretty dang easy for me to play. He's based on a shar character I made years back on DAoC. I just have to take my personal views on certain things and blow them up. Now, understand, in blowing them up there is much exageration, so if you run into my alt out there don't think that it's my complete view. I know how to isolate feelings and play off them. *winks* I just have to be in the mood to play that character at the time.... otherwise he make get all soft on those not worthy of such attention.

[Aquizit]

Pylith isn't evil, but he -is- a prick sometimes. He's stoic, doesn't talk much.. and when he does it's quick, sharp, and to the point. He spares no feelings, but his judgement is usually sound..

-shrugs-

You should hear him when he goes off on a recruit.. -snickers-


Hif: I don't consider you evil persay.. you're just a jerk. XD

You follow orders when I give them if we're on a raid, that's all that matters to me. :P

[Danyxandra]

Oh Jesus...

I'll have to put some time in this post. Come back later, after I polish off my rum and coke and got a weekend to think.

AbricOOC
~Evil isn't being a demon... or having a demon baby. Kicking a dog because it is in your way is evil; and so is cheating on taxes.

Captain Morgan and Diet Pepsi FTW!

[Keraph]

Keraph is the kind of cold, calculating Lawful Evil type character, who will lie to his friends and sacrifice his allies as long as it furthers the ultimate goals of Infection and the Dark Lady. He is also extremely superiorist towards what he considers the "brutish, lesser races" of the Horde, and commonly employs them as front line cannon fodder and treats them with about the same respect as labor animals.

That said, I have a lot of friends on the server that are not Forsaken, and it can get hard to treat them so low, while maintaining a good relationship with them. Something that I take into account is that even if I despise orcs like Gorthok, for instance, I still need to retain their trust for the time being, so I must act as if I respect them, to keep suspicions low. I like Gorthok, but Keraph only pretends to.

It does get hard, but I try to maintain a balance, and remind myself that my hatred towards the Horde is secondary to my hatred of the Alliance, so I need to keep priorities straight. However, I plan to start playing Keraph off as more evil and racist, because I don't feel like I'm getting the idea off strongly enough to characters that haven't known me too long.

[Muatah]

Chavie, protector of orphans and high sister of Te Chil Ren, once put together a raid on Stormwind so she could invade the boy king's head, ask if he knew where his father was, and give him nightmares (put the fear of Grim into him). No one ever commented on this apparent double standard.

That might have been because to the people who were helping you do it, there was no "double standard."

It was the most natural thing in the world....

[Chavie]

Chavie, protector of orphans and high sister of Te Chil Ren, once put together a raid on Stormwind so she could invade the boy king's head, ask if he knew where his father was, and give him nightmares (put the fear of Grim into him). No one ever commented on this apparent double standard.

That might have been because to the people who were helping you do it, there was no "double standard."

It was the most natural thing in the world....
um... a... o luk, a bid! *points to bird* a bet mu a ta kud shut it dao!"

[Zonar]

Keraph is the kind of cold, calculating Lawful Evil type character, who will lie to his friends and sacrifice his allies as long as it furthers the ultimate goals of Infection and the Dark Lady.

Strictly speaking, that's a Neutral Evil character, if not a Chaotic Evil one. A Lawful Evil character would still use people, but he wouldn't lie about it. He actually wouldn't even bring it up. A Neutral character is willing to lie at times, but a lawful character wouldn't... there are consequences for such things, and rules must be preserved. A lawful evil character would be more than happy to make sure those consequences are given though, and take great pride in doing so.


I think the best Evil character is the kind that develops slowly over the character's existance. they started out wanting to cure the Plague, really. But in order to do it, they needed tests, samples, and case studies. As the research progresses, they discover other things that are of use to the Forsaken. Thoughts of power seep into their mind, and the exact reasons for wanting to cure the plague slip. Oh, they still tell everyone they are working on a cure, and they may actually think they are. They tend to do research down paths that already look like dead-ends though "just to be sure". Eventually, they become obsessed with the development of other plagues, completely forsaking the idea of a cure. They try to rationalize it for themselves, allowing them to think they are still doing what is right for the people but.... they are already lost.

That's my favourite type. Someone RP someone like that, so my goodie-twoshoes characters can yell at you ^^

[Hifazat]

Hifazat would be an odd example of lawful evil. He lives within a certain set of rules and codes of conduct. But he is "evil" with his intentions ie genocide and racist against the horde.

[Chingaso]

Haw haw haw! What giant steaming heap of kodo dung. Chingaso thrill to see so much Pollyana with no grasp true evil.

Chingaso kill she-elfs because like watch pretty pirouette they do when die. Chingaso set dwarfs beards on fire to hear screams so can tell if man-dwarf or she-dwarf. Chingaso tell man-elf that boyfriend really she-elf who change just to see man-elf cry before Chingaso flay. Chingaso set pinks village fire so pinks change to more pleasing crunchy brown. Chingaso enjoy squishy noise shortys make when step on.

When Chingaso seek guild, never wonder if be accept by Grim, but wonder if Grim evil enough suit Chingaso.

Chingaso trip old Orc in Orgrimmar once because decide stones on ground not red enough. Chingaso guide low seasons into Wailing Caverns and enjoy watching die because one question Chingaso right to skin deviate.

Chingaso pure perfect evil. Chongaso Alex deLarge evil. And Chingaso find perfect place in Grim.

[Chingaso]

Chingaso also know how Syreena no read good, so when ask, Chingaso tell Syreena notes in Guild hall say to burn orphanage in Orgrimmar or kill Thrall. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Chavie]

Chingaso also know how Syreena no read good, so when ask, Chingaso tell Syreena notes in Guild hall say to burn orphanage in Orgrimmar or kill Thrall. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

That was Emmons.

/glare Emmons

[EnheilRas]

I don't believe in the Gygax/D&D ALignment system.

I think it's silly, and just isn't realistic from even a philosophic point.

There's only three motivations people have:

Good, Selfish, and Evil.

People will only do things, or be motivated to do them to be a good person, self-gratification, or purely out of evil instinct.

Not to reharp, but the Palladium Alignment system works so much better to actually describe the motivations of real people. This chaotic/neutral/lawful stuff is just plain silly.

[Chingaso]

Chingaso also know how Syreena no read good, so when ask, Chingaso tell Syreena notes in Guild hall say to burn orphanage in Orgrimmar or kill Thrall. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

That was Emmons.

/glare Emmons
But Chingaso help... /glee

[Fhenrir]

I don't believe in the Gygax/D&D ALignment system.

I think it's silly, and just isn't realistic from even a philosophic point.

There's only three motivations people have:

Good, Selfish, and Evil.

People will only do things, or be motivated to do them to be a good person, self-gratification, or purely out of evil instinct.

Not to reharp, but the Palladium Alignment system works so much better to actually describe the motivations of real people. This chaotic/neutral/lawful stuff is just plain silly.

Seconded. Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic never did it for me. It's just there to help quickly explain a fictional, one-dimensional character that has no real depth.

[Keraph]

I disagree with both of you, but I'm way too lazy to write up an explanation, and I'm in MC, so.....blah.

[Hifazat]

Personally I have never found the 9 classifications as the end all and be all of your character. Rather they are guidelines for the way your character should play.

A lawful evil character would be a character that follows a code and conduct that are his or her own that allows for his own evil actions to take place, but he is lawful ie he does not break some personal rules.

Someone who is chaotic good, is a character who has good intentions but does not mean he will follow the traditional rules of society. Something along the lines of do the ends justify the means.

I find the classifications adequate as they define the core way your character should play. But it doesn't limit in anyway how it should be played and i never have seen it as something that restricts anything.

[EnheilRas]

A lawful evil character would be a character that follows a code and conduct that are his or her own that allows for his own evil actions to take place, but he is lawful ie he does not break some personal rules.

That's called Aberrency.


Someone who is chaotic good, is a character who has good intentions but does not mean he will follow the traditional rules of society. Something along the lines of do the ends justify the means.

Sociopathic Anarchist. A Miscreant.

[Hifazat]

And how are those words related in anyway to the discussion at hand? We are discussing the Ad&d system and how people believe it functions. Not synonyms.

[Keraph]

Agreed again, but again, I'm too lazy to justify it. It's fine, lrn2alignment.

[Vonsci]

The thing about Vonsci is that although he's a crazy bastard, he's not trying to be evil. He just doesn't have a good grasp on what's morally correct when dealing with the Alliance.

Considering he was at one time a human it's strange that he has always had it out for humans. Usually the only time he'd act on his prejudice for humans was when they attempted to arrest him, or scorned him for his elf stabbing. Which was pretty frequently.

So, yeah...

KEEKEEKEE! ELF BLOOD!!!

[Ellsbeth]

Ellsbeth is Lawful Evil. (Bwahahaha! DnD!) Which can be very boring when my tendency is to play more chaotic characters who are out for selfish gain. But it works for someone who's in a Church/Cult structure and is not the type of person who would want personal gain before the gain of whatever group they've begun to worship.

I based her on the people I know that religion hop and then become absolutely obsessed with their current religion. They throw everything into it and devote themselves wholly to the cause, volunteer, denounce their former lives, and finally get wounded and bored when things go wrong.

Only... The Lady never is wrong. She will prevail!

Back to subject. Evil is hard because it's not natural for me. I try to think I'm good and evil and love playing villains, but I couldn't make people cry or kill babies or loot stores when the power goes out. I can barely steal pencils from work (I didn't and bought them from the store instead) and can't back down from people when they don't have the right change when they buy things. "Oh go on... I'll cover the quarter."

BUT evil RP draws some great people and tends to have the more interesting character concepts without having to resort to... "I'm an orphan and my parents were killed and I'm out for vengeance!" or "I'm everyone's best friend and only RP running around with a snowshoe hare!"

Evil is hard in WOW, though not in DnD. My boyfriend and I are playing an evil campaign for Eberron right now and I've never had so much fun because I don't have to worry about alignment shifts if I use evil spells.

One thing about DnD... the alignments help because there are particular spells or weapons that only affect alignment. Some only affect you whether you're Lawful or Chaotic... ect...

[Thartis]

Thartis is a bit of a split. He may help any one who crosses his path. May even escourt horde but on a roll he may just kill some one he has been helping. He may screw over his guildmates but make great donations before and after but he feelsno remorse. So he is an unstable evil guy.