Enheilras, or any other lore guru....

[Teelia]

I know I smack talked you in the other thread, but what would the forums be without stuff like that. So I'm asking for your help with a few lore questions.

I've been working up Teelia's background, and really want to do a post about it, but I want to make sure I don't screw anything up.

I have Teelia as being a young socialite from a minor nobles family taht lived in Lordaeran up until the plague hit and the scourge took over. Did this happen four years ago, or am I way off? The idea is that her family tried to escape the advance of the scourge, and she was pretty much the only one who made it to safety.

Any tips or info on this would be of major help. I read the history section on the official forums, but I tend to get confused on things sometimes and I don't want to have to retcon stuff after I write it.

Thanks in advance!

<3

[EnheilRas]

It's been four years since the Battle for Hyjal.

I would guess it's been nearly a year before Hyjal when the fall of Lordaeron occured.

You take in mind the advance of the Scourge through Quel'thelas, the sailing through Kalimdor, the fall of Dalaran and Silvermoon, and the mobilization to the World Tree...

I'd give that many months time.

[EnheilRas]

It's been four years since the Battle for Hyjal.

I would guess it's been nearly a year before Hyjal when the fall of Lordaeron occured.

You take in mind the advance of the Scourge through Quel'thelas, the sailing through Kalimdor, the fall of Dalaran and Silvermoon, and the mobilization to the World Tree...

I'd give that many months time.

It's also been a year and 7 months added since WoW came out. Gotta use some real time here.

[Keraph]

Not that anything has really changed since release, thanks to the static world we play in

[turen]

Nah, they built more AH's and opened a gate to Bugland.

[Vilmah]

I have a character with a similar storyline except, well... she never made it out. Hello, Forsaken! =D

She's a lvl5 alt I made named Filia. Gotta use her, sometime...

[Teelia]

Well, I started writing my story last night. Lets hope I do it right. Thanks for all the info. Maybe you horde guys aren't all bad after all. OOC, that is. *giggles*

[Vilmah]

Maybe you horde guys aren't all bad after all. OOC, that is. *giggles*

*shudder*

[Kurohane]

Well, I started writing my story last night. Lets hope I do it right. Thanks for all the info. Maybe you horde guys aren't all bad after all. OOC, that is. *giggles*

I love you. You know this. <3

[Teelia]

Well, I started writing my story last night. Lets hope I do it right. Thanks for all the info. Maybe you horde guys aren't all bad after all. OOC, that is. *giggles*

I love you. You know this. <3

<3<3<3

[Teelia]

Ok, I'm done with the Andorhal part of my story. Teelia is now heading for what is now known as the Undercity. Do any of you know what the state of that city would be at the time of this story, roughly a few days after the fall of Andorhal? Is it under seige? Are there any safehouses?

Thanks for any info, and you all have been very inspiring.

<3 you all. Yes, even the horde. hehe.

[Keraph]

The city of Lordaeron, a few days after the fall of Andorhal? Completely untouched. The capital city of the country that takes it's name was safe and unharmed until Arthas returned from Northrend. I'm unsure when that was, but I think it was at least a few weeks or so. Can any sources confirm/deny?

But yeah, the city was still bustling and full of life then, though rumors of the plague were creeping into the city.

[Daala]

I can confirm that. Social climate at the time is abuzz with the sudden escape of interned Orcs and their immediate departure from known geography, as well as rumors of a death cult in the northernmost regions of the continent.

If I remember correctly, Lordaeron is never depicted as being assaulted, though that's obviously the case. With the conclusion of the human campaign of Reign of Chaos, the first campaign which lasts until at least a month or two after Andorhal, Arthas is depicted stabbing his father, King Terenas, accompanied by two men who may be presumed to be Scourge Necromancers. When we next see Arthas, he is in Kalimdor. After that, we see Kel'thuzad and Sylvanas endeavoring to maintain Arthas' influence in the face of the three official stewards, amongst them Varimathras and Balnazzar.

Lordaeron's fall is open to interpretation, but I think it's logical to assume that as Arthas slew his father, a sizable Scourge assault force either began a siege of the city or adjusted their position for a large-scale attack. Something to help explain why exactly Arthas was able to leave the city unharmed.

[Teelia]

Ok...Thank you guys. I may change my plans and have Teelia go elsewhere then. Glad I asked before I got it wrong! Viva la Lore Forums!!!!

<3

[Daala]

If you want a city in danger, shortly after Andorhal, Stratholme seems like the best pick. The Dreadlord Mal'ganis, the decoy commander of the Scourge, occupied the city, whose population has consumed plague-infected grain from Andorhal. Arthas raced with Mal'ganis to claim the people; Arthas strove to slaughter them, to avoid bolstering the Scourge's ranks, while Mal'ganis attempted to convert the tainted humans into Scourge controlled zombies.

[Teelia]

If you want a city in danger, shortly after Andorhal, Stratholme seems like the best pick. The Dreadlord Mal'ganis, the decoy commander of the Scourge, occupied the city, whose population has consumed plague-infected grain from Andorhal. Arthas raced with Mal'ganis to claim the people; Arthas strove to slaughter them, to avoid bolstering the Scourge's ranks, while Mal'ganis attempted to convert the tainted humans into Scourge controlled zombies.

Great idea! Teelia was lost anyway, and all I wrote was that she was moving away from Andorhal, and didn't know the right direction...So taht makes perfect sense!

Thank you Daala!

*hugs*

[EnheilRas]

There'a also Strahnbrad.

[Teelia]

There'a also Strahnbrad.

Thanks, Enheilras.

What I'm wanting to do with this flashback story is get a feel for what was happening from the eyes of a survivor, and also tell how Teelia came to be a rogue. So I have nearly 5 years of stuff to tell from the time she was 14 til now. I may skip around a bit, but I'm really having fun with this.

<3 to all of you guys that are helping me.

[Noury]

What I'm wanting to do with this flashback story is get a feel for what was happening from the eyes of a survivor, and also tell how Teelia came to be a rogue. So I have nearly 5 years of stuff to tell from the time she was 14 til now. I may skip around a bit, but I'm really having fun with this.

Nouri had a very similar history/experience. He also is a survivor of Lordaeron. But lacking the proper timeline and history that you all laid out here (nicely I might add), I purposely made it generic.

His memory of the events and his life prior to the Scourge invasion is sketchy at best. Only vague recollections of being a farm lad.

Years of a vagrant existence and the trauma of the actual events had effectively washed away his former identity. He is now the persona he is convinced "The Light" has called upon him to be.

Who knows, its possible Teelia knew him from before (they would be approximately the same age, he was about 16 or 17 at the time) , but logically it looks like they were from different social circles.

[Daala]

Great idea! Teelia was lost anyway, and all I wrote was that she was moving away from Andorhal, and didn't know the right direction...So taht makes perfect sense!

Thank you Daala!

*hugs*Any time, happy to help! *hugs*

[Teelia]

What I'm wanting to do with this flashback story is get a feel for what was happening from the eyes of a survivor, and also tell how Teelia came to be a rogue. So I have nearly 5 years of stuff to tell from the time she was 14 til now. I may skip around a bit, but I'm really having fun with this.

Nouri had a very similar history/experience. He also is a survivor of Lordaeron. But lacking the proper timeline and history that you all laid out here (nicely I might add), I purposely made it generic.

His memory of the events and his life prior to the Scourge invasion is sketchy at best. Only vague recollections of being a farm lad.

Years of a vagrant existence and the trauma of the actual events had effectively washed away his former identity. He is now the persona he is convinced "The Light" has called upon him to be.

Who knows, its possible Teelia knew him from before (they would be approximately the same age, he was about 16 or 17 at the time) , but logically it looks like they were from different social circles.

I think thats a wonderful idea. If Teelia sees him, she may even recognize him. Not actually as who he is, but maybe as just a face she has seen before. It might make for some good RP!

Anyway, I'm going to try and write more today. I have laundrey to do, but the next chapter is sure to be fun!

By the way, if anyone has any ideas for things I haven't thought of, be sure to post them here and I will fit them into the story.

Thanks!

<3

[Xeran]

Teelia: Xeran also has a common line of events with you as he was in the area when the Scourge Army hits. He ended up in field hospitals as a result of his injuries.

My understanding of the events (rough timeline) is:
- Scourge hits Andorhal (ground zero)
- From Andorhal, the Scourge moves east for Strath, Darrowshire and other cities in what is now EPL, including Quel'Thalas, and west towards Lordearon.

Can someone confirm that? The movement of the Scourge armies will effect my story as well as Teelia's (I think).

[Teelia]

Hmmm....I wonder if Teelia ever saw you too. I'd like to think she might recognize Nouri, but if Xeran was fighting as well, it might be neat. By the way, she'll be traveling east toward Strat in the story, as soon as I get a chance to write today.

Oh, and were the cauldrons already active at this time? The ones at the farms? She'd be passing right by that area.

Thanks again!

<3

[Daala]

If I remember correctly the Scourge army did not so much assault Andorhal at this time, as the Cult of the Damned stealthily infiltrated the town to infect their granaries. This is because Andorhal, at the time, supplied much of Lordaeron with grain stocks. I believe that Andorhal does not truly fall until Arthas becomes a Death Knight.

The Scourge and the Cult of the Damned are complementary, but at this time they are operating separately from one another, with Kel'thuzad commanding the Cult and Mal'Ganis commanding the Scourge in Lordaeron.

After Stratholme, Mal'ganis flees to Northrend, and Arthas gives pursuit. In Northrend, Arthas falls to corruption, and returns to Lordaeron, killing his father. He then revives the Cult of the Damned, and loots his father's tomb, for the urn containing Terenas' ashes is critical to the resurrection of Kel'thuzad. Arthas then moves to Quel'thalas, because the Sunwell is also critical to the resurrection.

The Scourge then moves to combat the Blackrock Orcs to use their demon gate to commune with Archimonde, who instructs them to use Medivh's spellbook to summon the fiend. The Scourge lays siege to the city of Dalaran, where the book is stored, and successfully summons Archimonde, who then demolishes the city.

[Daala]

Hmmm....I wonder if Teelia ever saw you too. I'd like to think she might recognize Nouri, but if Xeran was fighting as well, it might be neat. By the way, she'll be traveling east toward Strat in the story, as soon as I get a chance to write today.

Oh, and were the cauldrons already active at this time? The ones at the farms? She'd be passing right by that area.

Thanks again!

<3Those may be presumed to come into effect much later, when Arthas has conquered Lordaeron and moves to Northrend, leaving Kel'thuzad as his steward.

[Teelia]

If I remember correctly the Scourge army did not so much assault Andorhal at this time, as the Cult of the Damned stealthily infiltrated the town to infect their granaries. This is because Andorhal, at the time, supplied much of Lordaeron with grain stocks. I believe that Andorhal does not truly fall until Arthas becomes a Death Knight.

The Scourge and the Cult of the Damned are complementary, but at this time they are operating separately from one another, with Kel'thuzad commanding the Cult and Mal'Ganis commanding the Scourge in Lordaeron.

After Stratholme, Mal'ganis flees to Northrend, and Arthas gives pursuit. In Northrend, Arthas falls to corruption, and returns to Lordaeron, killing his father. He then revives the Cult of the Damned, and loots his father's tomb, for the urn containing Terenas' ashes is critical to the resurrection of Kel'thuzad. Arthas then moves to Quel'thalas, because the Sunwell is also critical to the resurrection.

The Scourge then moves to combat the Blackrock Orcs to use their demon gate to commune with Archimonde, who instructs them to use Medivh's spellbook to summon the fiend. The Scourge lays siege to the city of Dalaran, where the book is stored, and successfully summons Archimonde, who then demolishes the city.

If thats the case, then maybe in my story the grain had already been infected for a time, and Teelia's family just happened to visit the night that all hell broke loose (Teelia did describe seeing an undead knight, which could be Arthas or one of his minions). Can I get any kind of confirmation on this? I really want to make sure this story is "Lore-straight."

:)

[Tillna]

Wikipedia has ALL this laid out too...
found it informative to say the least

[Xeran]

Wikipedia has ALL this laid out too...
found it informative to say the least

Sadly, I have found wowwiki to be unreliable. It hits the highpoints well enough, but when you get into detail, it becomes internally contradictory at times. A wiki, for those that don't know, is basically a consensus opinion on a given subject.

Example:

I say that Thrall is married to Sylvanus.

Lovely says Thrall is married to Cairne Bloodhoof.

Morticia says Thrall is not married.

The wiki consensus is still that Thrall is married even though only one of the opinions above is correct. All three opioions get mashed into an amalgam which is gibberish. A wiki will work provided there are many, many opinions entered and most of those opinions are correct.

For a good recounting of Lore facts I have relied on:
- Books in the world of Azeroth
- WoW's history website
- Books like "Day of the Dragon" by Richard Knaap
- People on this site.

My approach is very slow, but I think it will be more accurate than trying to decipher the wikis.

My 2 copper.

[Daala]

If thats the case, then maybe in my story the grain had already been infected for a time, and Teelia's family just happened to visit the night that all hell broke loose (Teelia did describe seeing an undead knight, which could be Arthas or one of his minions). Can I get any kind of confirmation on this? I really want to make sure this story is "Lore-straight."

:)Well, Arthas hadn't fallen by that point. He looked angry and kind of nuts, but he was still definitely normal looking.

Probably worth mentioning here; Arthas is NOT undead. Death Knights, Necromancers, and cultists are all living agents of the Scourge. They react to many negative energies as an undead does, but they're still alive and ticking.

Mal'ganis, in his armor and pale skin, might work, but that'd be a real stretch. You might be able to say that a death knight was present and just didn't play a significant role in the battle, but in Warcraft III, that's not the case.

[Teelia]

If thats the case, then maybe in my story the grain had already been infected for a time, and Teelia's family just happened to visit the night that all hell broke loose (Teelia did describe seeing an undead knight, which could be Arthas or one of his minions). Can I get any kind of confirmation on this? I really want to make sure this story is "Lore-straight."

:)Well, Arthas hadn't fallen by that point. He looked angry and kind of nuts, but he was still definitely normal looking.

Probably worth mentioning here; Arthas is NOT undead. Death Knights, Necromancers, and cultists are all living agents of the Scourge. They react to many negative energies as an undead does, but they're still alive and ticking.

Mal'ganis, in his armor and pale skin, might work, but that'd be a real stretch. You might be able to say that a death knight was present and just didn't play a significant role in the battle, but in Warcraft III, that's not the case.

Thanks Daala. It may not have even been a death knight. It may have been one of those skeletal Flayers or something like the ones at Sorrow Hill.

:)

[Daala]

*smiles* I remember thumbing through Blizzard's artwork, and seeing the various ghoul sketches. Their movements fascinated me. Many depictions showed them in positions reminiscent of climbing, and they looked like big, lumbering squirrels. I love imagining ghouls using the trees to fight, I think it has a tremendous amount of writing potential. On the ground, they seemed to be oriented not unlike gorillas, leaping forth with all four limbs extended.

Teelia, I'd like to write with you sometime soon, if you don't mind.

[Teelia]

Teelia, I'd like to write with you sometime soon, if you don't mind.

You already have...I'm Lovely's alt. Hehe.

But sure, we can do something sometime. And yes, I am amazed at how non-human those things can look sometimes....Especially the ghouls!

Oh, and I'm thinking of using Stratholme soon too. But it will be a while before Teelia makes it there, if I do end up using it.

[Daala]

Hah! I thought that there was something about you that seemed familiar...

Arthas will next march to Hearthglen to warn the townspeople of the approach of the Undead, when the entire populace is converted instantaneously, attacking Arthas' army. Uther the Lightbrinnger and a legion of knights eventually save Arthas, but it's a desperate battle.

After that, Arthas goes to Stratholme. So, you've got a little time to do something else, if need be.

I'll PM you some proposals so that I don't crowd up this thread.