DPS Casters Wearing Healing Gear

[Solenev]

I've come across a few people lately that have been hanging out in their healing blues and are... warlocks and mages? Folks! There are some great quests in Outland that will net you greens that are BETTER than the blue healing drops in Ramparts and Blood Furnace. The quests themselves don't take long. You will get gold, experience, and reputation for doing them.

Please for all that's holy! That 7 or 11 damage you get with the healing gear, is so not worth it. Even if you slot the gems with DPS ones. PLEASE! Not to mention there are great DPS item drops that could have used those gems in them.

And in a moment I'll add a list of the quests that will net you decent gear. Just waiting to level 70 isn't really an excuse.

Craftables: Send some netherweave to a tailor you know. They can craft you the Netherweave set and you can add the Imbued Netherweave Robe/Tunic when you get of a level. If nothing has been dropping, these are excellent possibilities and the set bonuses will help your damage.

Websites:

Kaliban's Class Loot List - http://www.wow-loot.com/ While it doesn't list all upgrades and shows a lack of upgrades for some of the lower levels, it is a good place to go to see what drops in an instance that you should be rolling need on. And also to see if it's worth running an instance a few times to see if you can get an upgrade.

Mage Forums - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10017&sid=1

Warlock Forums - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=10014

Guides to Gear:

Mage Guide to Gear - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11931388 While this is somewhat technical, read a bit to see what the difference between spell hit/spell crit/+spell damage does. Even the regular Mage forums have some FAQs and things so you can take a boo. Mages love coefficients I swear to god.

Warlock Gear List - http://warlock.wikispaces.com/Gear+List A beginner Wiki, but very helpful.

Armory:

The armory can list the next upgrade useful for you. It's not always helpful but it will give you a goal to find some damage gear.

Maybe this is still fallout from when I rolled on healing boots and nearly lost to a mage.

[Saphiara]

To be fair, they could be taking that gear for the stats and not just for the damage on them.

[Ofanim]

Most of the cloth healing gear is loaded with spirit as the main stat... which isn't really that great for dps casting, it can be useful for certain specs of shadow priests and mages but even then loading up on spirit isn't that great.

[Solenev]

To be fair, they could be taking that gear for the stats and not just for the damage on them.

True. But my point is not to mock, but to help people find better gear choices.

So using Malethia's concern about stats. Here is Bloody Surgeon's Mitts

http://thottbot.com/i24393

Stats:

+10 Stamina
+20 Intellect
+12 Spirit
Red Socket
Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +3 Spirit
Equip: Increases healing done by up to 31 and damage done by up to 11 for all magical spells and effects.

Intellect: Nice amount of intellect I gotta say. See my review of the item below as well.

Stamina: 100 extra stamina. Not spectacular, but fine.

Spirit: Yay. 12.

Sockets: Two which could possibly give you an extra +14 damage so that brings it to 25 not bad. Durr and I'm a dumbass who linked a level 70 item as an upgrade. Stupid wowhead is down and I'm having a hard time finding the item I wanted to link.

Enchants: DPS gloves enchant just as well as healing gloves.

And Raiment of Divine Authority

http://thottbot.com/i24397

Stats:
+16 Stamina
+21 Intellect
+18 Spirit
Red Socket
Yellow Socket
Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +6 Stamina
Equip: Increases healing done by up to 46 and damage done by up to 16 for all magical spells and effects.

Intellect: Lots of intellect. For both casters this is fantastic. However there are several items in Outland that are blue quest rewards that at least for the chest piece may have about 3 intellect less, but their damage is about 30 more. Plus they have a crap ton more stamina on them.

Spirit:
Spirit although the description states it regenerates your mana and health pools, is largely seen as insignificant by the Mage community simply because of its diminishing returns at higher stat levels and lack of effectiveness during spell casting. I know there has been a change to the way spirit works recently and his post is a wee bit out of date, but mages will still not see any remarkable improvement with adding spirit. Warlocks, the good ones I know, don't even care about spirit.

Stamina: Somewhat fine stamina. But if you're a warlock the good ones I know pump themselves up with stamina for a few reasons. There's a talent you can take that ups your spell damage according to your stamina. And if you haven't taken that talent, having an insane health pool will not only keep you alive longer, but will allow you to mana tap to have a larger mana pool. In a pvp environment, he who has the most health will live longer. Simple. I'd also like to add how I can't stand the mage pve gear because it has next to no stamina on it. As for mages... You're a glass cannon and you're going to need the stamina. I hate having low stamina on my mage which is why I have to get off my ass and grind some BGs on her if I intend to take her anywhere out of the major cities.

Sockets: Right. So you can chalk those full of gems. Pretty nice gem selection if you're got the resources to fill it up. I'm assuming you buy them off the AH and are not willing to go above green. Then that's an added +21 damage. Then add +16 and that's +37. Not bad right? WRONG. There's a blue item that has +stam/+int with +44 damage and it didn't cost anything except a quest. http://thottbot.com/i31717 And it's got +spell crit too. Yummy for mages.

Enchants: There are enchants that will help gloves and chest. But you can put them on DPS gloves and chest as well.

[Ofanim]

http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10351 Shoulders
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10937 Chest
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=9376 Head
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=9447 Staff
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=9472 Ring
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=9418 Back
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10630 Off hand
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10450 Wand
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10295 Staff
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10834 Chest
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=9391 Gloves
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=9370 Neck
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10792 Back
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10087 Pants

These are all quest in Hellfire that you can do pretty much on entry through the dark portal, I think only the first few would require a group and that's with those stupid rock men at the edge of hellfire and usually quite easy to grab a group for. If you go to ramparts and blood furnace there is much better gear that you may get lucky to get off a boss but there are also like 3 other pieces of gear you can get for just turning in the quests to do something in the dugeon. Hopefully this is semi helpful.

[Saphiara]

Of course, there is a benefit to playing a class where it's blatantly obvious when gear is meant for you and you alone.

Unless of course you're like me and ninja all the warrior gear instead.

[Solenev]

Unless of course you're like me and ninja all the warrior gear instead.

Hehe. Go go Ret Pally! I wouldn't even want to be a feral druid/rogue. Those guys fight like cats and... thieves.

Also if you are keeping robes because the DPS gear looks terrible (Yeah thanks Blizzard for tunics up until 70!), then keep some robes in your inventory to switch out when you're in town.

[Bir]

Friends, friends... please. Everyone knows you "can't fix stupid". I would just look the other way and hope I don't get stuck with one of those in a heroic.

[Solenev]

It's not stupid. Really it's not. It's just uniformed. I remember when I used to think +spirit was an awesome stat for a warrior. I was uniformed. So I thought maybe helping a little might help a lot.

[Tillna]

One hting I love about being a rogue.

Very VERY clear cut on gear for me.

If it has no Green stats, but has int and Spirit? Druid.

If it is a wep with 1.90 attack speed, but has hit and dodge? Warrior.

I still cry when I see rogues with tank weapons...

[Kelven]

I will admit to using the +heal wrist enchant on my warlock because it was a much easier way to get +damage than the real one. >.>

But yeah, every time I see +heal equipment on a DPS caster, I just know somewhere there is a priest weeping teeny priesty tears because it got ninja'd out from under him.

[Tillna]

My lock once ninjad some Damage gear from a holy priest.

I was very confused. This was, of course, Post BC

[Solenev]

My lock once ninjad some Damage gear from a holy priest.

I was very confused. This was, of course, Post BC

That usually comes from a holy priest actually being a shadow priest just in a healing role. Or a holy priest that likes to smite. Still... it could have been an upgrade because most damage gear is damage/healing.

I try not to roll on damage gear if I'm in a healing role, even though I couldn't give a rat's ass about getting healing gear on my shadow priest. It just seems unfair because everyone will pass the healing gear anyway.

[Rand_Shea]

If someone has gear that's old, its their first time in a dungeon, healing gear drops, and the healer doesn't need/want it... they can go ahead and have it. 1/3 of healing isn't much, but it's still something and 7 or 11 points can make more difference than 20 int, and 6 mana per second is still more than what 20 spirit will give you.

If they continue to use nothing but healing gear though... um... then that's just odd, really, unless later on it's an epic healing piece that still has more spell power than what they had and they're using it for the interim until something better drops.

[Solenev]

If they continue to use nothing but healing gear though... um... then that's just odd, really, unless later on it's an epic healing piece that still has more spell power than what they had and they're using it for the interim until something better drops.

That's my point though. I should really be pointing out items in the 66+ area instead of Hellfire. In Hellfire it may be an upgrade. I was still using the gloves from ZF on my shadow priest. But I switched it out for the Netherweave. Epics don't drop very often in regular instances. And I gasp if someone is using a BOE healing epic as DPS gear. SELL IT BY GOD YOU GET A TON OF GOLD FOR YOUR FLYING MOUNT AHHH!

[Ofanim]

If they continue to use nothing but healing gear though... um... then that's just odd, really, unless later on it's an epic healing piece that still has more spell power than what they had and they're using it for the interim until something better drops.

If you are getting to the point where you have the chance to get epic healing gear that would be better than the damage gear that you are wearing... sad to say you have no business being on that run because odds are you aren't contributing your fair share in the terrible gear you would have to be wearing.

[Darkblade]

One hting I love about being a rogue.

Very VERY clear cut on gear for me.

You haven't played a rogue long, have you?

Feral druids and rogues have pretty much identical armor needs.
Fury warriors and rogues have pretty much identical weapon needs.

[Fallacy]

You haven't played a rogue long, have you?

Feral druids, Enhancement shaman, Fury warriors, and rogues have pretty much identical armor needs.
Fury warriors, Enhancement shaman, rogues have pretty much identical weapon needs.

Fix'd.

[Darkblade]

Any fury warrior in leather needs to reroll imo.

[Ofanim]

/points at Fallacy

[Solenev]

Any fury warrior in leather needs to reroll imo.

Haha! But check out my ATK! MAN! YEEEEAH!

You're also forgetting hunters except that they don't need the +strength.

[Okhu]

They could be in you know. RP gear or something. My HEALING Druid DPSes in her healing gear.... she has more spell power with it on then with with the meager spell damgage stuff she has..... -shrug-

[Ofanim]

They could be in you know. RP gear or something. My HEALING Druid DPSes in her healing gear.... she has more spell power with it on then with with the meager spell damgage stuff she has..... -shrug-

Do you fight mobs in your RP gear? and most mages and warlocks do not possess a healing tree.

[Solenev]

My HEALING Druid DPSes in her healing gear.... she has more spell power with it on then with with the meager spell damgage stuff she has..... -shrug-

My healing priest DPSing in her healing gear too. It's also because it's my pvp gear. But I'm talking about pure DPS classes, using healing gear.

[Okhu]

....Were they in an instance with you or something in it?......

Cause I mean..... RP gear maybe?....if not...whatever they can fail if they want... its not you, you shouldn't be so worried about it. :P

[Solenev]

I do wonder why I am responding to Okhu (of all people), but my point is that I think RPers can help one another and some people don't know to ask. I saw the threads for warrior and paladin and really hoped someone would make one for DPS caster classes. Nobody did.

And when I was in an instance with these people, and they were my DPS... I wanted to say something.

[Ofanim]

....Were they in an instance with you or something in it?......

Cause I mean..... RP gear maybe?....if not...whatever they can fail if they want... its not you, you shouldn't be so worried about it. :P

I prefer to help out people I know instead of letting them flounder, I don't really care about people I don't know. However, I think this post is more designed to help out people that are in potentially terrible gear find much better replacements for the healing gear they may have found and used without realizing where the better damage gear could be found with a little quest chain here or there.

IE helping friends (people who can read these forums)

[Fallacy]

Any fury warrior in leather needs to reroll imo.

When they stop making plate DPS gear with bad itemization, then maybe I'd agree.

[Rand_Shea]

If you are getting to the point where you have the chance to get epic healing gear that would be better than the damage gear that you are wearing... sad to say you have no business being on that run because odds are you aren't contributing your fair share in the terrible gear you would have to be wearing.

I was referring more to raiding environments such as karazhan, where contrary to popular belief, not everyone's toon is 70 and has gone there and geared out yet.

Epic healing gear drops, healers don't need it, and its a warlock's first time being in the place... Unless your group is hard up for void crystals, why not let them have it until something better does drop? Particularly if the place is on farm status and you're just going there to get people upgrades from dungeon set blues.

If it's better that what they have, then let them have it. Who cares if it's not primarily aimed toward them or not? The 1/3rd spell power from healing was from what I heard, partially implemented because healing classes wanted SOME ability to do damage, and also because in some places the only thing that does drop for casters is 90% healing gear so none of them wanted to bother going.

An upgrade is an upgrade, even if you can't use some of the stats it comes with.

[Alana]

what about all the cloth with agility? that good for hunters right? right?
bwahahha

[Solenev]

what about all the cloth with agility? that good for hunters right? right?

Yeah. Hunters can roll on EVERYTHING!

[Solenev]

I was referring more to raiding environments such as karazhan, where contrary to popular belief, not everyone's toon is 70 and has gone there and geared out yet.

In order to go to Karazhan, you need to have a flying mount or be a druid. So... you would have to have a 70 character or be a druid at 68? I don't quite understand.

My issue was not with 70s. It's with people leveling still who can use the items to help level faster. At 70 if you're using healer gear as a caster... egads. If http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28505 is an upgrade, maybe a few more instance runs?

[Fallacy]

In order to go to Karazhan, you need to have a flying mount or be a druid. So... you would have to have a 70 character or be a druid at 68? I don't quite understand.

My issue was not with 70s. It's with people leveling still who can use the items to help level faster. At 70 if you're using healer gear as a caster... egads.

You have to be level 70 to complete the attunement quests, anyway.

There isn't much excuse, now, either, with S1 gear readily available.

[Ofanim]

I was referring more to raiding environments such as karazhan, where contrary to popular belief, not everyone's toon is 70 and has gone there and geared out yet.

An upgrade is an upgrade, even if you can't use some of the stats it comes with.

First I should hope you are 70 going into Kara, the only class that can pull off the not 70 thing is a druid. Second my thought is still the same as before if a 1/3 spell damage off the healing gear is an upgrade for the gear you are wearing when you go to Karazhan you have no business being in there in the first place. Most people have a minimum on stats that they would expect on an entry level character to Kara, healing is around 1k min, spell damage is 600+ I believe.

So if the measly 14 spell damage that the gloves of saintly blessings (Priest gloves off Attumen) are an upgrade for the mage or warlock that is running with you. Your group needs to tell that individual to go run some more Shadow Labyrinth, or Shattered Halls before coming back to Karazhan, because they are not going to be up to par of what you should need to be in there, especially if this is a relatively new group. The only people that could get away with dragging people through Karazhan with that horrible of gear, probably wouldn't be running Karazhan anymore.

So yes when you are fresh to outlands I can understand snagging a healing piece of gear for the pathetic spell damage it adds because a lot of people will have the horrid Azeroth cloth gear with even worse stats. However, if they are still rolling need on these things past 62 at the lastest then need some help. They need to know there are quests out there that will give them better pure spell damage than that absolutely dismal amount they are gaining from that 1/3rd healing.

[Syreena]

I wouldn't even want to be a feral druid/rogue. Those guys fight like cats and... thieves.

Honestly, I've never had that problem, although I do hear about it. Actually, I just saw it last night on my alt rogue. Another rogue rolled against a druid for str/stam/agi pants and then pouted when he lost, and didn't understand when I told him it was better for the druid. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I can't remember a druid ever rolling against me on something that was really good for me. And I never roll against a druid on something that's better for them.

[Tillna]

I once told a druid that the Pants form Stalker were mine.

She got all pissy.

Same day, I got my Shoudlers from Sethekk due to the other rogue DCing

[Thalevia]

All this post reminds me of is the 70 warlock whose armory showed her wearing full Primal Mooncloth. And an assortment of other +healing gear. Before the 1/3 healing=damage change too.

Some DPSers really are clueless as to what is good for them.

[Bir]

All this post reminds me of is the 70 warlock whose armory showed her wearing full Primal Mooncloth. And an assortment of other +healing gear. Before the 1/3 healing=damage change too.

Some DPSers really are clueless as to what is good for them.

Maybe s/he liked how it looked for RP... ? I've been known to wear priest looking things, it's how we warlocks keep in touch with our good sides!

[Tillna]

Maybe s/he liked how it looked for RP... ? I've been known to wear priest looking things, it's how we warlocks keep in touch with our good sides!

Not a jar of lube and aroma candles?

But seriously, back in the old days, a piece healing gear was acceptable, due to the +healing bonus to afflicto. But even then, not really.

[Okhu]

I do wonder why I am responding to Okhu (of all people), but my point is that I think RPers can help one another and some people don't know to ask. I saw the threads for warrior and paladin and really hoped someone would make one for DPS caster classes. Nobody did.

And when I was in an instance with these people, and they were my DPS... I wanted to say something.

.............. ;_;.......*runs to corner to sob*

Also
(Links to caster-ish stuff...there are other links to other peoples gear in any of those... )

http://www.wow-loot.com/warlock.htm
http://www.wow-loot.com/mage.htm
http://www.wow-loot.com/shaman.htm

( And for EVERYONE so they know to play thier class properly )

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/

There are threads about pretty much everyones class there. Read them. Learn to play, do some dancing....I dunno.

I am being helpful. Happy now Solenev? *Goes back to crying in corner*

[Darkblade]

I have seen caster DPS roll on healing gear because they see "add 24 to" and then realize it said "healing" after already hitting the need button. But by then it's already too late. The times I've seen that, the dpser was all "omg, I'm sooo sorry" and then probably vendored that sweet healing piece which my healer could have used (yes, I had a priest that actually was a healer...gawd was that boring).

[Solenev]

I am being helpful. Happy now Solenev? *Goes back to crying in corner*

Thanks Okhu that was helpful. Just stop being mean to my alts in the RP channel!

[Thalevia]

Maybe s/he liked how it looked for RP... ? I've been known to wear priest looking things, it's how we warlocks keep in touch with our good sides!

Full Primal Mooncloth plus all other +healing gear?

Thats a stupidly pricey RP set. SO many primals. IF she didn't wait on her cloth cooldowns, and considering the cost of Primal Mooncloth and the cost of Primal Waters early on in the xpac, thats at least a 1000g RP set. Not to mention all the other healing blues and greens she had.

Thats not a case of an RP set but a case of warlock stupidity.

[Ofanim]

But seriously, back in the old days, a piece healing gear was acceptable, due to the +healing bonus to afflicto. But even then, not really.

Are you sure... Do you know how much +healing affects drain spells from a warlock such as siphon life and drain life?

The correct answer is 0.

[Ofanim]

Full Primal Mooncloth plus all other +healing gear?

Thats a stupidly pricey RP set. SO many primals. IF she didn't wait on her cloth cooldowns, and considering the cost of Primal Mooncloth and the cost of Primal Waters early on in the xpac, thats at least a 1000g RP set. Not to mention all the other healing blues and greens she had.

Thats not a case of an RP set but a case of warlock stupidity.

As well as having to spec mooncloth tailoring to wear the set seeing as it's BoP

[Solenev]

Thats not a case of an RP set but a case of warlock stupidity.

She's the melee hunter. "Look I did the Primal Mooncloth for the healthstone and drain life."

*facepalms* ... I won't even bother.

[drippygoo]

some of my best rp gear is +healing

[Solenev]

some of my best rp gear is +healing

RP gear, but do you use it in an instance?

[Furta]

I have a set of healing gear I wear for rp.
It's all stuff noone wanted from runs where there was no enchanter or quest rewards from quests whose rewards were less than rewarding.

Though having healing gear is generally a point of shame for hunters and I probably should just clean out my bank and bags.

[Okhu]

Thanks Okhu that was helpful. Just stop being mean to my alts in the RP channel!

Who is your alts?... that which so I can not be mean to them? o.o...

[Malebrignon]

As well as having to spec mooncloth tailoring to wear the set seeing as it's BoP

Oooo! Caught you in a fail!

You don't have to be mooncloth tailor spec'd to wear it; you have to be spec'd that way to get the set bonus.

But... I do suppose you have to spec Mooncloth to make it in the first place.

Only a partial fail, then. *grin*

[Lovely]

I guess I get the best of both worlds. I am holy spec and have sucky sustained DPS, but I'm geared really well, and in my healing gear I have +100 more spell damage than my warlock in Gladiator gear. And 16k armor. Mwahaha.

I can do really good burst damage. Its just a shame I can't DPS for a sustained period of time with it.

[Thalevia]

Oooo! Caught you in a fail!

You don't have to be mooncloth tailor spec'd to wear it; you have to be spec'd that way to get the set bonus.

But... I do suppose you have to spec Mooncloth to make it in the first place.

Only a partial fail, then. *grin*

Nope, you have to be a mooncloth tailor to wear it. Compare it with Spellstrike.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21875 The Mooncloth tailoring requirement is under the "Requires level 70"
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24266 The tailoring 350 requirement is listed under the "Spellstrike infusion 0/2"

Though I think there is a bug in the game right now that lets you wear any of the sets without being speced for it, but I am sure they hotfixed it asap.