Old Raids

[Rand_Shea]

I know people are mostly focused on content like Karazhan, SSC, Black Temple, and Zul'Aman, but as someone who's only been around since shortly after Burning Crusade came out, I haven't had a chance to see a lot of the older content.

Places like Zul'Gurub, Ahn'Quiraj, Molten Core, Onyxia's Lair, and even Naxxramas.

So, I'm just expressing an interest to go to any of these sometime. A few I need to get attuned for, but that should be pretty easy.

I'll either go on my hunter as firepower and/or CC, or more preferably, as my priest for healing. She'll be 70 in the near future and I do plan to raid with her as a healer, but rather than flinging myself into karazhan and hoping I don't screw up, I figure a lower level raid would be better practice.

So, if anyone wants to go, I'm up for it. Just PM me here on the forum, or PM me in game on either Randshea or Dyiana.

[l3rokken4ngel]

OooOooOOoooo! Me me! Me too Rand! *attaches herself to him*

I need to get Rosa keyed for BWL, Ony, and Naxx though. She is MC attuned. AQ20/40 and ZG are fair game since no keys are needed.

zomg 67 prot pally right here!

[Alekander]

I plan to get the ZG Tiger Mount.

[Tillna]

Zart is not keyed at all, but if you do a key run, let me know

[l3rokken4ngel]

Zart is not keyed at all, but if you do a key run, let me know

oo ooo me me! *flails her arms in the air* I'll go with you!

[Fynne]

I tanked MC Saturday. Full badge fire gear makes it pretty easy. CloS helps on Rag, too. Only takes about 10 people.

[Swerto]

I'll definately go when I hit 70, maybe we should get some rp story going or something >_> Like go through them in order (hehe yeah) and seriously give this a shot. 20 people should be able to do it at 70 if geared correctly, we don't need to 40 man them anymore...

[Kaldore]

If you can manage to do so, go kill C'thun. It's the most amazing fight I have seen in the game so far.

[Malorii]

we only made it to twin emps.. but i seen the c'thun videos XD

I highly reccomend MC and BWL, The shazz fight and the magmadar fight are my favorites :D

oh and also if you DO happen to go to mc .. and someone says "you're the bomb!" it dosn't mean your cool and squeel a thank you out. It means get the fuck away from EVERYONE.

[Fynne]

Training for Solarian IMO

[Rand_Shea]

I'll definately go when I hit 70, maybe we should get some rp story going or something >_> Like go through them in order (hehe yeah) and seriously give this a shot. 20 people should be able to do it at 70 if geared correctly, we don't need to 40 man them anymore...

I'd be down for that. Like Alekander, I would also like to get the tiger mount someday.

Though if anything, unless severe firepower was needed, I'd want to go on my priest for raiding practice.

As far as planning goes... I'm not too confident about leading a raid, so I'd prefer it if someone with experience took charge of that.

I suppose all that needs to be decided is days, times, and places. :o

As for you alliance players posting in this thread...

...

...I'd invite you if I could. :(

[Sinthe]

we only made it to twin emps.. but i seen the c'thun videos XD

I highly reccomend MC and BWL, The shazz fight and the magmadar fight are my favorites :D

oh and also if you DO happen to go to mc .. and someone says "you're the bomb!" it dosn't mean your cool and squeel a thank you out. It means get the fuck away from EVERYONE.

I would know better than anyone. Haha...

[Abric]

We hit AQ40 two weeks ago, and that was interesting. We got to the Twin Emperor's and they pretty much beat the shit out of us. Though the rest of the instance wasn't too bad... we just powered through it.

Oh, and the 15 minute fight with the big slime, since the whole 'freeze' thing is fun to do with not really understanding it and having two mages to do it.

[Roth'rili]

we only made it to twin emps.. but i seen the c'thun videos XD

I highly reccomend MC and BWL, The shazz fight and the magmadar fight are my favorites :D

oh and also if you DO happen to go to mc .. and someone says "you're the bomb!" it dosn't mean your cool and squeel a thank you out. It means get the fuck away from EVERYONE.

Oh those were the days specially when the person that became the bomb was my ex who had latency of like 10k or something no idea. Screaming in vent Mord your the bomb! over and over! Me screaming she is lagging!

"Move away from the bomb!!" Seeing people scatter while she blows up and takes a couple of people with her. Oh I chuckled since I was in another group fars away =P

[Melchisedech]

I'm down with that. Melchisedech is BWL and MC attuned (I'm pretty sure) and partway through the Onyxia chain. I'm a level 70 holy priest with pretty close to +1500 healing, so hit me up for ZG, MC, BWL, MC, AQ, MC, or MC.

;)

[Kiaransalius]

I have a huge interest in Naxx with Anaie... mostly for RP reasons. I am keyed for everything else, but I find it hard for me to go to those places sometimes... still shoot me a message and if I am up for it, I would go.

[Keraph]

Keraph is attuned for everything, I can tank or DPS. I'd prefer to go places on Cerryan though, for healing practice like Rand. Thing is, he's not really keyed for anything. Wouldn't mind getting keyed for BWL, but I'm gonna take a big passkies on MC. I had enough of that at 60.

[Swerto]

I would much rather not be a tank because I blow at it... I'll dps on swerto though. he'll be 60 in a couple weeks, and I'd love to tag along. I really want to do Naxx VERY badly before it is moved to Northrend and i never see it again. AQ40 would fucking pwn cuz I used to watch my dad raid it pre-bc... his guild never beat c'thun... lol...

[Ninorra]

Sanctuary does old raids sometimes. We did Zul'Gurub a few weeks back.. and to quote Nomeni...

"So many kittieeeees!!"

[Gorvena]

I can tank, but I'd need to do attunements...

Chingaso is attuned for all of them though if you'd rather have dps.

[EnheilRas]

I believe on TN I cleared MC/BWL/AQ20/ZG Fairly quickly too.

Hell, I preferred BRD/LBRS/UBRS than those places. I never got to explore LBRS/BRD as much as I would have wanted.

I wonder if I can solo it now?

[Darkblade]

I'd love to do anything.*


*dungeon/raid related. pervs

[Thrysta]

((
Joining a raid on the old content to see it and experience it is one thing...

...but if you're worried that you need to build experience on old content
as a healer in order to prepare for Karazhan, I'll let you know that's really
not necessary.

You'll learn a lot more in a much smaller, controlled environment by taking
down Attumen and Moroes a few times in Kara. Moving on to Maiden and
the three different Opera Events will help even more, as there's a lot to
learn for those four encounters.

Not to mention the instant gear rewards will vastly benefit you.

So, to see the awesome stuff in the old raids is great.
But honestly, Kara will probably help you get your feet wet as a healer
more easily than those other ones will.
))

[Syreena]

We hit AQ40 two weeks ago, and that was interesting. We got to the Twin Emperor's and they pretty much beat the shit out of us. Though the rest of the instance wasn't too bad... we just powered through it.

Oh, and the 15 minute fight with the big slime, since the whole 'freeze' thing is fun to do with not really understanding it and having two mages to do it.

I liked the slime fight. I didn't have to chase things to the aggro-pulling locks and hunters on that fight. I hate chasing things.

I will never, never, never, never, never, never, never go back to Molten Core. Never.

Here's another fun thing to do on Geddon though. Go out and watch a car wreck in your front yard while everyone is gathered up on the rune. :D

[Karkarov]

No one on the server since expansion has downed twin emps I believe. That fight has this catch that no matter how geared you are you still have to have play skill and raiding discipline. You cant just "power" through.

[Bir]

No one on the server since expansion has downed twin emps I believe. That fight has this catch that no matter how geared you are you still have to have play skill and raiding discipline. You cant just "power" through.

I thought Grim just said they got 'em the other week..?

[EnheilRas]

No, they got *to* them?

The Twin Emps is a major gearcheck point as well.
You sort of need to be both cohesive and well-equipped.

[Kaldore]

Meh.

If you have 20 or so people that can do wind sprints and not stand in AoE you should be fine for Twin Emps... I want to kill C'thun again though, and thats going to take 30 people minimum just to kill eyestalks.

[Nadea]

I miss the old raids so much >.<

I'm almost always willing to go do an old world raid, unless I don't have the time! Amalee isn't keyed for MC or Ony, nor will I do the keying for her, but Nadea is. Well... I wont goto Molten Bore anymore, most likely. But the others, sure thing!

[Feyrin]

Im in as well, just wait till Im 70

[Mohan]

I plan to get the ZG Tiger Mount.

Me first!!

[Morgenstern]

I'd love to go to AQ..but..yeah..wrong faction.

[Raziel]

I'd love to go to AQ..but..yeah..wrong faction.

Whaddya have against the Bronze Dragonflight?

GET 'EM KERAPH!

[Kaldore]

I'd love to go to AQ..but..yeah..wrong faction.

PSSSST.... Go look to the Alliance Section of these forums.

[Raziel]

inter-Dungeon Storylines are the best

Deadmines --> Blackrock Depths --> Lower Blackrock Spire --> Upper Blackrock Spire --> Onyxia --> Molten Core --> Blackwing Lair

Wailing Caverns --> Blackfathom Depths --> Zul'Farrak --> Temple of Atal'Hakkar --> Zul'Gurub --> Ahn'Qiraj

Razorfen Kraul --> Razorfen Downs --> Scholomance --> Stratholme --> Naxxramas

It's all a huge storyline expanding quite a lot of dungeons.

[Kaldore]

Want to hear what a mean Old God has to say?

Paste the script command into your chat window.


"Death... is... close..."
/run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\CThun\\CThunDeathIsClose.wav");

"You are already dead."
/run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\CThun\\CThunYouAreAlready.wav");

"You will betray your friends."
/run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\CThun\\CThunYouWillBetray.wav");

"You... will... die..."
/run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\CThun\\CThunYouWillDie.wav");

"Your courage will fail."
/run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\CThun\\CThunYourCourage.wav");

"Your friends will abandon you."
/run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\CThun\\CThunYourFriends.wav");

"You are weak."
/run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\CThun\\YouAreWeak.wav");

"Your heart will explode."
/run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\CThun\\YourHeartWill.wav");

[Swerto]

-C'thun dies-
And thats when I come in and say "its all fun and games until somebody loses an eye"

[Bir]

No, they got *to* them?

The Twin Emps is a major gearcheck point as well.
You sort of need to be both cohesive and well-equipped.

You don't need to tell me that. I tanked that sheit on my ally lock and I still have my pink burgerking crown to prove it ;P

[Rand_Shea]

Alliance should set up their own oldschool raid parties and start owning some bugs, undead, and other nasty things.

Take video of the battle of C'Thun and have whoever's tanking yell "THERE ISN'T A VISINE FOR THIS!" once he dies.

Buuut... horde side, seems plenty are interested at least. Guess it's time to decide where to go and then decide a date and time.

I'm favoring ZG first, since there's no key or attunement needed, and it's pretty easy to get to. I'm open to suggestions though.

[Swerto]

Just wait until i'm 60 to start >_> I'd love to go but I need to get attuned for EVERYTHING, and help would be greatly needed.

[Melchisedech]

The major problem I have noticed with doing, well, ANYTHING that isn't Kara or 25-man BC stuff or ZA is that people tend not to want to. They'd rather be out grabbing phat lewtz and working toward Illykins. I hear a lot of people say they'd love to do old school stuff, but then when the time comes, it's rare to see them actually give up, say, Karazhan for it.

I, however, cannot STAND progression, so sign me up for the shit that just needs someone to tell me what to do and I do it, and we win.

[Swerto]

Suggested line of progression

ZG > BWL > MC > AQ20 > AQ40 > Naxx

Maybe put onyxia somewhere in there... don't know but that one takes a bit of help to get attuned for and I'd forever be in debt to those who helped me get attuned once i reached that point... does itstill take as long as it used to?

[Melchisedech]

Nah, a pair of 70s can do it. 'Specially if they're well geared. Grab youself a 70 healer (*coughmecough*) and a tank, and we can bang out the whole damned chain with the exception of the start in UBRS by ourselves, I'm fairly sure.

[Swerto]

:P Sure I'll ask again when I hit 60... i plan to spend this entire weekend playing swerto so I could get close if I REALLY try. The bag is a nice bonus as well. Tried to get in a group for BRD yesterday and topped the dps charts... but our healer left us >_>.
DPSing on a warrior is fun XD

P.S. Just downloaded a bunch of mods for when we eventually do decide to do this. I'm not sure of xperl is good enough for raiding, if not tell me. I did grab Atlas, Omen (threat meter) and a damage meter... if I should get anything else tell me.

I'll be downloading ventrillo when i get home, so even if I don't have a headset I can listen to you guys order me around. Might be getting a USB headset soon...

[Karkarov]

Isnt that kind of hypocritical? You cant stand progression? So basically doing the raids when they are harder and or you are meant to is dumb, but coming back when you can basically power down almost all of it with no thought to strategy or skill is perfectly fine? Tempest keep the eye is stupid and a waste of time.... until it is so easy any idiot can do it?

[Melchisedech]

It's not hypocritical, it's lazy. Progression isn't fun, so I'm not going to spend 15 bucks a month and God knows how many hours NOT having fun. It is fun later. So I'm going to have fun when and where I can. for all those folks to whom progression is fun, good on you. You have my kudos, and I dig you a lot. I'll even help sometimes if you need another healer. I just won't like it, and I'm not going to dedicate my time to it.

Hypocritical means saying someone should do one thing and then doing the opposite. I'm not saying anyone SHOULD do progression unless it's fun for them.

EDIT: Also, I never said doing them when you're "supposed" to is dumb, I said I didn't like it and didn't want to do it.

[Raziel]

Take video of the battle of C'Thun and have whoever's tanking yell "THERE ISN'T A VISINE FOR THIS!" once he dies.

Currently, the only person to one-man C'thun is Ben Stein.

[Darkblade]

Suggested line of progression

ZG > BWL > MC > AQ20 > AQ40 > Naxx

Suggested by who?
BWL is quite a bit more difficult than MC. AQ20 is similar to MC, but based around 20 instead of zerg.

More like ZG -> AQ20 -> MC -> BWL -> AQ40/Naxx

[Raziel]

I thought that AQ20 would at least need Tier 1/2?

The normal progression is BRD/LBRS/UBRS/ZG/MC/AQ20/BWL/AQ40/NAXX
Then again, for a fully geared Tier 1 team, BWL is fucking easymode. FL got ALL of it done in like 2-3 attempts.

[Kaldore]

More like ZG -> AQ20 -> MC -> BWL -> AQ40/Naxx


^ This is correct.


I'm planning something for the Alliance side, but I'm putting a "70's only" restriction on it.

ie. I'm not running your goddamn level 62 alt through content to get them gear.

[Swerto]

:O BU bu but...

Don't do that horde side >_> I would like gear but i'm mostly going for the rp and the fun of seeing an instance that is fun when not overplayed.

[Kaldore]

Nuh-uh... It's one thing when people ask "Hey would you mind running my level 54 through a 5 man BRD?"

It's another when you ask to ask "Hey would you mind running my level 54 through the highest 40 man Dungeon in the game that will probably wipe 30 level 70's?"

Give me a fuckin' break.

[Swerto]

I'm not asking for a run, I'm going to contribute, just probably not as much as the 70's. Another reason why I'm I said wait til I'm 60-62

[Rand_Shea]

Well, as far as I'm concerned... I'd probably limit it to people at least level 60 and above. A 60 would have at least hit outland and gotten some major upgrades to gear, even if they are just greens.

So, sorry for all you out there who would want to take your 50-59's, but just your aggro radius alone in some of these places would be a nightmare to deal with.

I'd like at least.... 7 level 70's. Two tanks, three healers, two major DPS. I say three healers because there'd be one for each tank, then a third would pick up the slack and keep an eye on the DPS and/or the others coming along. But you know... more is never a bad thing. I highly doubt we'll hit the cap of how many people can go into these places. None of them are 10-mans, are they?

If something drops that one of the 60's can use... By all means, they can roll for it, and whoever gets it will get it even if it's just for RP gear. Otherwise we bring along someone with high level enchanting to DE everything and distribute shards and other stuff via a pre-arranged agreement, or some fair means afterwards.

And I would like to remind everyone that I suggested this as something for people to do to have FUN... If it ceases being fun at any point, then that'll be that. If arguments and flaming arise in this thread, then I'm going to request it be locked and find some other way to explore these older raid places. All you people who are looking for a reason to bicker and spit venom at each other kindly take your grievances elsewhere, as I nor anyone else interested in doing this want to deal with YOUR bullshit, kthx.

I'd also like to think it as an opportunity, at least horde side, to get to know some other people on TNG. Consider it my attempt to be sociable and "venture beyond my pathetic little microcosm" as one of you so eloquently put it in another thread...

Annnnyyyywaaaaaay.....

I guess to set up a date and a time that works for everyone I'll need access to the horde forums.

[Abric]

Desire is never an issue - but time and commitment is.

Do I want to do something for eye candy? Or do I want to do something for eye candy and a reward?

[Rand_Shea]

I don't see why people are thinking this would take time away from progression raids. The only ones I can see doing that would probably be Naxx, AQ, and BWL. ZG and Onyxia I'm fairly certain you can complete fairly quickly if you have enough people.

[Raziel]

I want entire suits of Tier.

Just to change into at times.
Shaman Tier Armor is always really neat looking.

[Abric]

I don't see why people are thinking this would take time away from progression raids. The only ones I can see doing that would probably be Naxx, AQ, and BWL. ZG and Onyxia I'm fairly certain you can complete fairly quickly if you have enough people.


There are seven days of the week. A normal guild that has the capability of raiding does it 3-5 days. So that leaves you 2-4 days to plan out a raid into an old world instance. Sounds like the same amount of days, right? Well... what are people doing those 2-4 other days? I know the Grim is a varied mix - some people like to unwind... some people like to PvP... but normally people are farming up materials or roleplaying. Most 'off-day raids' that we cook up are on the fly and just because it 'clicks.'

Everybody loves to do stuff - but is there enough time to do it? Much like... RULING THE WORLD! MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Raziel]

Much like... RULING THE WORLD! MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

Don't make me flashkick (http://guilepwns.ytmnd.com/) your ass.

The only real proven way to rule the world is to create a second world through the magical art of Paper Maché. Then trick everyone to move from Real Earth to Paper Maché Earth. Then we will be the only ones left, and RULE THE WORLD!

Then.. the only thing left to do is take over Paper Maché Earth.

..I'm still working on that.

[Swerto]

you know... if I got a full tier 2 set (I know I won't) I'd be happy... yeah... I don't think I'd be able to be happier unless I got a full tier 3 set...

[Swerto]

DING 60, time to start getting some decent gear in OL >_>

[Rand_Shea]

I hope this isn't considered thread necromancy. If so... eh.

For those of you who don't have access to the horde discussion board... I put in a signup for a ZG run for February 3rd at 6PM server time. I expect the run to be about 2 hours, of which I don't plan on actually finishing the place... though I -do- plan on hitting the bosses that drop the rare mounts.

I know some people here in this thread were interested, though I haven't seen you post on the horde board.

I posted up some minimum requirements in terms of level, gear, and items. Feel free to contact me about them here or in game.

Still need some dedicated 70's to come along to make sure it's a smooth run. I'd like 7 or 8 of the possible 20 to be 70, and I'd really like it if there were a few people who had ZG experience. I'll be reading up on the bosses and strategies, but nothing is better than experience.

So... post in the horde forum, or post your interest here, and I'll add you to the list. If you don't have access to the horde forum though, I suggest PMing Mortica to get it.

[Risticus]

I have to go, count me in. ^.^'

I can toss you guys some phat heals. :3

[Bahjin]

((

Also, for those interested, once Bloodfang gets a decent amount of players we will be running ZG, MC, BWL, Ony, AQ20, AQ40, etc etc. One reason for this is that my best friend, who is also a co-leader in Bloodfang, has never done a raid and we have both been playing since Beta 2. So, with that, we are obligated to run old-school raids, so he at least gets to see the beautiful content that Blizzard put together.

ANYWAYS, anyone is welcome to join us when we get this together. We're just in the process of actually obtaining members.

- Bahjin

))

[Swerto]

we really don't want to turn this into a real raiding style thing. We want this to be rp expeditions of the old raids, not turn into some heavy pve event that will eat away at our lives.

[Rand_Shea]

Well, when your guild goes, feel free to hit me up. I can go as either heals or DPS.

And, just a note... the date has been changed. Turns out the 3rd of February is the day the Superbowl is on. Best not to compete. o_O

[Solenev]

Often how you can tell someone who has been to MC and someone who hasn't.


There's a place in Blood Furnace where the window overlooks the warlock below. And I always go over there and OOC go, "OOh you can see Mag from here!"

Most of the time, only people who have been to MC laugh.

[Bahjin]

we really don't want to turn this into a real raiding style thing. We want this to be rp expeditions of the old raids, not turn into some heavy pve event that will eat away at our lives.

((

These will be considered expeditions, in character. They will play a vital role in our roleplay story. You don't just slay Ragnoros and not count that as an event in your characters life *laughs*.

I, myself, have had more "expeditions" than I would care to mention to MC, Onyxia, BWL, Nax... I got the urge to get epics at one point in my WoW life, and I didn't like what it did to me.

The raids we host will be done with care, and made sure not to turn into something that eats away at others lives. Bloodfang believes in roleplaying what you are. You have to earn godlike powers before you can play a god, for example. So going to these places is going to be a large part of our story, like I said.

))


Often how you can tell someone who has been to MC and someone who hasn't.


There's a place in Blood Furnace where the window overlooks the warlock below. And I always go over there and OOC go, "OOh you can see Mag from here!"

Most of the time, only people who have been to MC laugh.

((

"Okay, everyone who's new to MC, you get to check out the window before everyone else, since we've seen it before. Since Mag is dead, just run up to that red spot on the wall. There is a hole that you can look through and you can actually see Rag from there. It's pretty cool."

<newbs run up to the hole... they promptly die>

"...BWAHAHAHAHA"

))

[Darkblade]

I'd personally love to jump in some of those things, since THEGA dried up and apparently died months ago. Of course, the big thing holding me back is availability.