Generating interest in Alliance RP

[Mortica]

Sooo... I've talked to Sanrin and Icia a little bit about this, but I wanted to toss this out to the TNG crowd.

The spark that caused this discussion was the The Kor'kron Vanguard Project: Server Decision (http://wow-tng.org/showthread.php?t=8011) thread.

The Horde have RP coming out their ears. The Alliance seem to be suffering a long drawn out death. I'm not saying there aren't some awesome RPers Alliance side. I'm not saying RP is dead there. I'm saying that what PUBLIC RP's (either here or on the Official Forums for those that eschew TNG) is few and far between.

I use to troll the official RP forums once every couple of weeks to point people to TN. I'd talk a little bit about the server, point them to TNG as example of the awesome RP's going on, and then I'd list off a few guilds on both sides to show off the diversity.

But who would I send eager young rerollers to Alliance side?

IFR I am told by sources has little RP anymore.
Haven lost it's spark without Thaena.
Tirisfalen I am told the people who made it grand have either quit WoW or play infrequently.
Sacred Fire exploded from what I hear. I haven't checked into the full story so I might be wrong.
Empyrean Dawn..yes! but since their focus is PVE, is this really the place for brand spanking rerolls to start?
The Cartel...yes! but...can a server's RP be healty with so few public RP guilds?

The old RPers that I grew up reading their stories have either gone, moved to Horde side, or decided to focus on PVE or PVP pursuits instead.

I wish there was something I could do to spark RP again. I wonder sometimes what would have happened if I had pursued my original goal of creating an immersive Draenei guild. Sometimes I think about starting it now, months later, anyway. But then I remember there are only 24 hours left in the day, and my Horde guild and TNG itself have projects that I haven't found the time to accomplish as is without adding another project to my plate.

So. Here is the idea that I want to pose to you..Horde and Alliance alike.

The Kor'kron Vanguard Project are going to start here on TN the day after Christmas. That leaves us a couple of weeks to:

1) Brainstorm some awesome Alliance guild concepts. Evil alliance. Good alliance. Draenei-only guilds. Nelf guilds. Anti-Blood-elf guilds. Anti-Warlock guilds. I don't know..come up with something and make it unique and interesting.

2) Bring the best of the ideas to the Official RP forums. Depending on interest there, maybe even post them on other RP-PVP server forums (as much as I HATE it when people post reroll requests on TN, it does work as effective advertising). Let people know all about TN. Tell them about the success story of the Cartel. Tell them all about the potential cross-faction stuff they might have. Tell them they have a ready made enemy that will be the same level as them with the The Kor'kron Vanguard Project.

3) Generate the interest...find people willing to commit to and lead as many NEW guilds as possible. Have them all roll at the same time, so there will be people to run lower level instances with. I know some of the new guilds will collapse, but if we can even get 1 or 2 new, fresh guild with fresh people and fresh ideas, it'll be a success in my eyes.

So tell me your thoughts. Brainstorm some ideas. Brainstorm better ways to implement this idea. Brainstorm BETTER ideas for generating new life into the Alliance.

Help me make this server a better RP server.

[Sanrin]

Seconded! I have a lot to say on the subject....but Im eating dinner right now, it might just have to wait until im done!

[Crysa]

I twitch mai ears at this! Must.. brainstorm.. *explodes*

[Sifar]

1) Brainstorm some ideas
(I'm short on time, but here are few that quickly come to mind)

a) Who let the crazies out? - open RP guild based on recently released or escaped insane asylum patients who slip out into the major cities. GM could be a self-appointed leader who recently killed the true director

b) Bad to the bone - I've never dealt with evil guilds or even with many evil people. However, having an evil side might give other good guilds someone to play against.

c) Nelf only - I believe there are a few, but add in a healthy dose of lore and there is a lot to play around with

d) Theives guild - who doesn't love a bunch of knife-weilding nuts?

e) Arcane pop - You can only apply if you have a blue bar under your portrait


Also, I think it's worth finding out how many other self-proclaimed RP guild are around but aren't operating in the open. Maybe there is a way to brighten their spark rather than rely on all new guilds.

[Xadius]

Then there's the downside of such limited RP guilds. People eventually want to get into endgame, and when the guild isn't capable, they look elsewhere. Especially if the majority of the guild is slower with leveling, or much more casual. While I fully support this notion, it's an issue that will almost always come up.

[Evanthe]

Ooo, those are good ideas Sifar. I will think of some and post them up here.

[Mortica]

Then there's the downside of such limited RP guilds. People eventually want to get into endgame, and when the guild isn't capable, they look elsewhere. Especially if the majority of the guild is slower with leveling, or much more casual. While I fully support this notion, it's an issue that will almost always come up.

This is part of the reason why I want to try to get a bunch of different guilds started at the same time. PVE is something that people are going to want to do, even at lower levels it's hard to get groups for things like SM, but as you get higher level and the differences in levels become prohibitive, if these news guilds can band together and support each other, I think it could work.

Look at TNR. They are the 2nd or 3rd most progressed Horde group and they span multiple guilds and individuals (I haven't looked at the progression thread in a while and wowjutsu doesn't factor in multi-guild alliances).

[Leoren]

I approve!

... Leo needs more RP enemies to battle to the death!

[Kaldore]

I'm going to toss in my two copper here...


TNG was extremely Horde centric with very, very, few Alliance able to express an opinion without people that play Horde jumping down their throat because people took the character selection choice so seriously that they couldn't see past it in ooc conversations.


Notice I said was.

Sanrin, Icia, and the other Horde-side Mods really turned that around. TNG has been really great in the last three months or so. I think Mods shutting down the Inferno section and the recent good vibes put out here by The Cartel (thankyousomuchforpickingTN) have made this community take a 180.

So if you're reading this... You're Alliance... And you don't post here... START!

[Kastus]

Perhaps an uber-religious, almost Scarlet Crusade kind of guild? Almost sort of Cult of Kerahl style, if that's what I remember it as being. This would definitely give the Kor'kron project a strong enemy.

Then again, maybe just a toned-down religious guild, concerned with the Light.

Tree-huggers' guild. Nature-oriented, peace-seeking types.

An army, centered out of whatever major city, completely hellbent on destroying the Horde in any way, shape, or form. Ethics not required.

Academy-style, a la Silvermoon University. Magic-type oriented.

An all-human guild? I've never seen it done, but I think it would be pretty interesting. Racism, hooray!

Aaand I think I'm out of ideas for the moment.

[Aquizit]

I'm going to toss in my two copper here...


TNG was extremely Horde centric with very, very, few Alliance able to express an opinion without people that play Horde jumping down their throat because people took the character selection choice so seriously that they couldn't see past it in ooc conversations.


Notice I said was.

Sanrin, Icia, and the other Horde-side Mods really turned that around. TNG has been really great in the last three months or so. I think Mods shutting down the Inferno section and the recent good vibes put out here by The Cartel (thankyousomuchforpickingTN) have made this community take a 180.

So if you're reading this... You're Alliance... And you don't post here... START!


In recent history there was a surge of Alliance members..

Then, there were arguments... and they left.

Time. And Time. And Time again.

It's going to happen again. I would guarantee it to you.

[Xiphus]

How about:

The Alliance's answer against the Kor'kron Vanguards? Their own elite guards? Like, say, a new batch of Sons of Lothar?

Or the Alliance's version of SMU? Make it a real Stormwind University or something.

Another group Alliance side to counter Infection and House of Ghant. Maybe a Light-based guild or their own brand of anti-Horde terrorists?

Or maybe the Alliance version of Sanctuary, which is just as dedicated to peace-keeping?

[Kaldore]

In recent history there was a surge of Alliance members..

Then, there were arguments... and they left.

Time. And Time. And Time again.

It's going to happen again. I would guarantee it to you.


: /

Wait... Not to quibble, BUT... It's not the Alliance's fault everytime there's faction-centric conflict on TNG.

[Aquizit]

I didn't say it was Kaldroei.. ... well, the Mods already know my stance on it.. or at least Mort Brig and Abric do..

[Kaldore]

Alright, no beef here. ^_^












Wait.... WTF? Kaldroei?

HOW DARE YOU MISSPELL MY NAME?!?! I HATE YOU!!!

[Xaraphyne]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=1F69346C95E7ECFC4B9B66856D5 5F459?topicId=3121115504&sid=1

It's somethin'.

[Visant]

Sanction

The guild is an organization originally created by humans but was later expanded and is now at least tentatively sponsored by all of the Alliance governments. In the same vein as The Dirty Dozen, this group is composed of dangerous criminals convicted of crimes that earned them long prison sentences, permanent exile or even death. A representative from the guild would approach a prospective member and make them an offer that is difficult to refuse considering the circumstances. In exchange for undertaking dangerous, sometimes secret assignments the prisoner’s sentence will be commuted, if they survive the tasks laid out before them.

The leader and his officers would be members of the military or pardoned criminals that organize and lead missions and keep watch over the criminals in their charge. If the criminals are caught breaking the law outside of their assignments or attempt to shirk their duties they are punished, and in extreme cases will be sent back to prison where they will face their original punishment. There might be some sort of method of control imposed on the criminals until they are released from service, such as a ritual that tracks their locations or even cripple them in some way if trigged.

With such a set up, there could be a wide variety of character types, everything from the truly twisted and morally repugnant, to the do-gooder type of person that claims to have been framed. The guild can be given special assignments to assassinate various targets on the opposite side (RP-PVP) or sent on suicidal runs against the toughest challenges that threaten Azeroth (RP-PVE). The types of stories could be pretty wide ranging too, everything from a small squad learning to work together to get a tough job done, to political machinations (who are they really working for?).

In tone it would have a darker, gritty feeling to it, like the aforementioned Dirty Dozen, Suicide Squad, or Strikeforce: Morituri: ‘We who are about to die’.

Anyway, I'm just throwing that idea for a guild out there.

[Sabachthan]

Any sort of idea will work, really, the trick is getting other people excited to follow along with it. Frankly, having gone Horde and never looked back, I find it hard to come up with elements of the Alliance races to get my blood flowing in excitement to go roll a nelf. Therefore, someone else will have to come up with that spark to ignite the conflagration. However, I can assist with an idea to "counter" the Kor'Kron Vanguard.

Despite what I just said above, my first brush with WoW I was Alliance, and a rogue, and the part of their lore that impressed me the most -- or perhaps the only part I could grasp having had no other introduction -- was SI:7. When I came back Horde-side and rolled my rogue, I ended up equating the Kor'Kron to SI:7 in certain ways. I know that's quite erroneous now, but that leads to why I see them as a "counter" in this case. But there is a similarity. It's like the KK are the SS and SI:7 is the CIA. Different fields and m.o.'s, but your gut tells you its the same freaky $#!%.

However, SI:7 is extremely Stormwind-centric, and the Alliance is suffering from possible fractures across the two continents based on diplomacy. They've already lost the Blood Elves. Interaction and cooperation on the streets is slowly disappearing. Within a matter of years, it's possible that the Alliance will crumble into its various factions and be swept before the Horde, Burning Legion, Scourge, or all three.

That's where the Alliance Initiative steps in to save the day. This elite group of soldiers and scientists seek to re-establish unity among the Alliance while quietly and efficiently putting down any threats to the same. Led by the mysterious and enigmatic figure of the White Glove (which covers the Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death), the Alliance Initiative answers to no one, reports to no one, and falls under the jurisdiction of no one. Quite the converse, they consider all to fall under their jurisdiction.

Ostensibly seeking to unify and create community within the Alliance, as driven by their massive public relations bureau, one starts to question the motives and goals of the organization when he hears tale of cooperations with Sin'Dorei and chilling tales of middle-of-the-night interrogations of important officials and diplomats dragged out of their homes. Yet beneath their beneficent support, other guilds and organizations within the Alliance are allowed to flourish and prosper as they neutralize threats to the good of all.

Most encouraging is the sight of the Silk Headbands (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?source=live;witem=7050) on the battlefield alongside the other elements of the Alliance Army. So named for the royal blue strip of cloth that is given to each of their members at 60 once they have passed the rigorous training and grueling tests required to perform their duties in Azeroth, the Silk Headbands are a group of elite fighting soldiers that buttress any main force by their gritty determination and can-do attitude.

Meanwhile, furnished by the potions and engineering marvels of G Labs, special forces and special agents infiltrate friendly and enemy territories alike to neutralize threats to the Alliance in covert ops. The squads of special forces, elite groups used to working with each other, numbering from 5 to 10 per squad, move so efficiently through opposition that those responding to the scene find nothing but the sight of ghosts.

Having heard the Thrall has galvanized the Kor'Kron Vanguard, a new massing of Horde forces on Kalimdor, the Alliance Initiative wishes to ensure that the group does not loom out of control and begin ransacking the Alliance settlements naked to such an army. The White Glove has sanctioned the discrete disposal of any member of the Kor'Kron forces. As he (?) has been quoted, "The best victory is one in which no one realized you did anything at all." Of course, if the Vanguard begins to show aggression on the Allied forces, the Alliance Initiative cannot suffer the blow to the shaky coalition and must bring out the Silk Headbands to ensure victory.

Roles that would be available to an RPer in this idea:
The White Glove (Figurehead, maybe a mystery identity?)
Other leadership heading up the five divisions of the Alliance Initiative
1) Diplomatic Bureau
2) Public Relations (this includes people like the truck that comes out after Will Smith has totally blown his cover in MiB, but also specially-placed journalists and publicists)
3) Intelligence (spies and informants ... the Alliance Initiative disfavors the loss of the Blood Elves to the Alliance and gladly uses disaffected Sin'Dorei as informants ... they also need to keep an eye on the Cartel, which may not be acting in the Alliance's best interests ... and, of course, one of the chief threats looming on the horizon at the moment is the Kor'Kron)
4) Military Forces (Covert Ops & Silk Headbands)
5) G Labs


That's the best I can come up with at the moment as a specific counter to balance against a Kor'Kron Vanguard. What I am describing would be massive and would require multiple people to head up various aspects, including someone to train the army of the Silk Headbands, someone else to train Special Forces (which would be fighting in a hit-and-run, ghost-guerrila style) as well as supervise the assassins, someone to head each of the other less-PvP oriented divisions. It might be more easily organized split between a couple different 'guilds' in game: <Alliance Initiative>, <Silk Headbands>, perhaps a front guild for public relations and spies like <Happy World Tree Friends>. Though this might not be necessary. That's a lot of work, but if you want it to match the claims being made by those heading up the Kor'Kron Vanguard, and be pulling in people from other servers like you hint at, then I don't think it's entirely out of scale.

I have two alts who would be willing to be informants, one loyally, the other for the right price.

As I wrote this Visant came up with the above, even better, idea. 'Course, maybe a Dirty Dozen aspect could be incorporated into the Alliance Initiative, too.

[Swerto]

Maybe have a "Cult of the damned" type of guild alliance side that is full of casters who wish to become necromancers in the future... maybe even a few paladins and warriors who wish to become death knights... etc. etc... it circles around people who (secretly) serve Arthas and the frozen throne

There has to be a paladin guild Alliance side... maybe an offshoot of the scarlet crusade or another surviving group of the silver hand... either way... it wouldn't be paladins only... but it'd be a mostly human, dwarf, dranei guild

On another RP server I found an interesting gnome guild... I may hate gnomes... but you have to admit the lil guys know how to tinker with stuff.. they could be knights serving the central gnomal powers to try and search out for their place in the world and enforce gnomish laws... much like infection does with forsaken horde side.... (gah did I just compare gnomes with forsaken... isn't that a crime punishable by death??!??))

Dwarf guilds!!! ZOMG they are so easy to make. The dwarves have assloads of good rpable things going on... same with night elves and every other race. Now finding guilds that mix all these together is a little harder... some would exclude night elves, or gnomes, or even humans...

For an all race guild (grim style) You could have some kind of "knights of the alliance" style thing going on where its a strictly military guild that has the single purpose of fighting the war... definatly a pvp based guild.

Hmm... you know SMU? What about UoS? (University of Stormwind) Yeah... know its a copycat... but why not copy a good idea and just do it alliance side, hmmm/???!!!??? Sounds good to me...


... just some rambling brainstorming.. i can do it for hours... don't know if anything made sense or sounded good...

[Xiphus]

How about both Alliance and Horde have their elite guards, and their covert operations team as well. We can have a cooperation of SI:7 and other covert operations organization from Ironforge and Darnassus work together to form one massive cooperative organization, while the Deathstalkers and the Shattered Hand Clan works together to form theirs.

While the elite guards had the task of being the best of the best, going into various battlefields to ransack and defend the interest of their respective factions, but they rely on their own covert ops organizations to provide the information, sabotage each other, anti-covert ops, and counter-intelligence work.

[Mortica]

Just as a reminder, this is a brainstorming thread to try to get more RPers for the Alliance. This is not a "why Alliance stopped coming to TNG" thread. This is definitely not a "Alliance suck" or "Horde suck" thread. Post accordingly.

[Roth'rili]

And I very much like Visant, pretty well done an sounds really awesome. Most of the ideas here have really been great. I always have a hard time sharing my thoughts, end up getting in arguement, stray off topic or what not. So I'm always afraid to say things and when they do slip out and before I realize it somehting I consider a bad reaction happens, I bow my head and withdraw. But I want to get something out there too to help or give food for thought.

Honestly I think it is well and good to have this thread to bring something EVERY horde, and I know horde out there know this, that the alliance either swore this place off or/is dieing. You can see it in every "Should I roll here thread" where horde here have turn from going "For the horde!" to..."Yay! welcome we are awesome *bites tongue* check out the Alliance their cool too ya know." (just thrown together) Were admiral horde will do this cause they see the decline (ex. Evanthe I have watched her post the first on some, then later change to help the alliance). Regardless of anyone's thoughts when anyone points to our server for RP this place is the landmark for it and is very roll horde tempting, friendly, but horde favored, needing more then a handfull of us to point them away from the red circle sign we all know and love. Rerollers here need encouragment to roll alliance, from my point of view is a intimidating faction. Not well known here, Realm forms is heavy ally side on anti-RPers, and if they are new it might not be easy to find that RPs (seasoned RPers know how, not even I know how still).

For guilds out there already established they need to know rerollers are looking at this forum. Malorii brought up to me that Unguilded is a nicely known RP guild on Alliance, Spotlore being a loved individual here as well. Just need to get their arse over here more, I know the realm forums are there but RP quickly gets drowned out by @threads, callouts, cuddle and loves and hates. Invictus Sanctum is also a great RP guild from what I still know, our fluffy kitty Angeni being from there to which I miss dearly! But what I also know besides these two are the ones listed by Mortica.

-Honor Guard is all but no more guys, bubble bursted. They fell into a struggle as some might have noticed. They were a power house the reason The Bulwark was concieved durning the HG vs Ghant wars. Their internal struggle with our impressive comeback sad to say stuck a fork in them.

-Sacred fire yep blew up thats been disbanded. They became more ooc over time till stress/drama was enough Sefi decided to put down the tabard (of all people to know I know she loved that guild)

-IFR news is no suprise as anyone that reads here knows there were posts out there saying they were struggling.

-Haven and the guild I dare not try to spell I actually had NO idea about nor ED

With this can we get ideas to get a restoration of the old to better attract the new? Once we have these ideas and the new guild ideas being thown up now (In all honestly I <3 Visant's guild idea if he made that up on the spot thats pretty sick) we the semi-attractability. Maybe get other TNGers to get this thread to 5 pages of discussion to show the alliance that peep in here we LOVES THEM! Then they join the cause.

Biggest obsticle I see is...we have all these ideas but who really is going to put them on their shoulders and follow through with them? Don't you dare point at me!! >_> hehe. Its rare to find the individual that sees a challenge and willingly takes it on and the flak that goes with it, with the chrisma to draw others into his/her charge. Post these ideas on the RP forums, hell post this thread. You never know their might be another Sowell out there interested, a Alexander with the high quota of "We will double the RP of which ever server we roll on" but for the alliance. Maybe even more horde then that of Sanctuary that show some kindness, not having to be to kind now, but honorable in not having the philosiphy(sp?lol) that red = dead.

I love being a alliance cuddle bear sometimes, why I know sometimes what is going on over there. Me being annoyingly nice guy anyways, rarely gank, helped allies quest before, shared in friendly emotes <--- which as suprisingly got me Ally RPs before. *eyes Fushsia* I didn't even know she RPed till she mustered up a RP letter to me here *gasp* ...here I thought I was just flirting with a WoW forum troll >_> hehe. Also to respond to some posts, end game raiding is ALWAYS a issue. If its a problem hell look at Sanctuary, Melar D, Ghants, Grim (you guys have enough to raid 25mans so...you guys are like the special ones of the bunch), Infection. Alliance guilds don't be afriad to ask them how the hell they do it without raiding! And maybe a already establish Alliance activist wants to take this up? Kaldore is vocal but psh he raids to much guy can't even get mohawk strike >_> teehee

Be more alliance activist will get rid of this clique crap I hate to see, and I abusoltly REFUSE to bump that thread with my thoughts on it.

Took me like a hour to type this crap out and it might even be useless for all I know! Its food for thought for me and everything that ran through my mind at 9 something pm to 10:44pm was written down. My personal opinion on things and information I have that might not be complete or I put it together in my assumption with what I have. Excuse my wall of text I shall be ending it nows I got to get some shut eye will add anything of of responses or new ideas formed or brain food needed to be spit out.

[Izrail]

I look forward to the day when I have the time to play both Alliance and Horde. By the time this day comes WoW as we know it will probably not exist any longer, but I can dream. Here are some ideas I would like to be a part of, had I the time:

1. Circus troupe with a PVP focus. Because nothing is more scary than a pink-haired gnome clown stabbing you to death.
2. A guild begun by former citizens of Dalaran. It would be indirectly affiliated with the Violet City, and its focus would be the study of magic of course.
3. Anti-Blood Elf Light-Worshipping guild. As worshippers of the Light, this guild takes personal offense at Blood Knights and believes it is their mission to free the Naaru from Silvermoon.

Just some ideas. I wish I could help implement them, and the others mentioned in the thread so far.

[Roth'rili]

Note if only we can find the figure heads for Sab's idea that is pretty much a great adversiment base. Its catching, enthralling and so forth, its written as if it had been thought up for weeks before hand. Its got that flare to it that BE and Draenei guilds tried to establish before BC came out.

Thank you all for your contributions I say, just need to find those stepping stone people. And no limiting just to RP-PvP realms, RP PvE realms our ripe for the picking >_> *whistles innocently*

[Nicoleta]

Speaking on behalf of Silvermoon University, we've always wanted a school/guild on the other faction (University of Stormwind, Ironforge Tech, etc) to act as our arch-rivals. Visions of school mascot stealing, rude pranks, and, of course, homecoming bloodsports events.

[Hellista]

I have an Alliance account with a level 60 rogue, and a level 41 priest. So I could theoretically help with this.

My only issue is that I have so much stuff I'm trying to do, that there isn't enough time, even when you are a slacker like me. It wouldn't be fair to anyone else involved for me to jump into something.

I think Sowell can verify that, since my rogue is usually only on once a week during the day. I'm surprised I haven't been kicked from the cartel yet. hehe.

[Crysa]

*knuckles crack*


Alright, yesterday when I saw this post, my brain exploded from all the goodness that is rp ideas.

Why?

BECAUSE ITS SO LONELY RPING BY YOURSELF. I have to do it on my Shaman (who I F*cking love, btw), I have been doing it on Crysa.. MaeMae only comes out to farm herbs and to send my lowbies/husband mount money.:(

So here goes!

1. We need a brandy new evil guild. What kind of evil? Oh.. it could be any kind of evil.. self serving-vindictive-every race hateing-kill you for kicks evil is always best though, no matter what form it takes. Brand new, because then anyone can get involved. I would love to do this with Crysa. She's always been secretly evil, and she's got Clys to ask advice from should she need it!

2. We need an ALREADY ESTABLISHED big named guild (ED or FL come to mind) to step up and take over the "HEROS OF ALLIANCE, KICK YOUR HORDE IN THE MOUTH WITH BIG PVE GEAR" kind of rp guild. Why already Established? Well because for one, they would technically already have a built in roll, for those members who have yet been kicked in the rp rear, so it would be a good way to get old server players to learn how to roleplay! For two, well, who doesn't like to pick on first legion? (luv u kaldore!) and besides, how COOL would it be to have First Legion (on non raid nights, or nights when people aren't logging in) patrolling the cities of Azeroth looking for would-be-alliance-haters and attackers? Kinda Swordwalzers Esq, only bigger, meaner, and more intimidating.

2B. This could also lead to a guild alliance between big named guilds..like the Honor Guard, only less honorable and more "Military". Either way, new guilds are the goal I know, but it deffinately would not hurt to get big named guilds into the swing of things.

3. Haven needs to come back in a big way, or something -like- it needs to pop up. Horde huggers to spark a flame under the butts of the Alliance. "NO DON'T KILL THEM THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO YOU THEY JUST WANT TO HUNT IN PEACE!" But for it to be done well, its gotta be lead by someone who isn't gonna vanish on us, or who spends more time on their horde characters then their alliance. Evil is easy to do, being good.. is a full time job. They've gotta be out and campaigning in the streets of Stormwind and Shatt. It'd also make a good Alliance/Alliance rivalry with the "Military guard" group.


4. A "Stormwind Prep" type guild, would absolutely rock opposite Silvermoon University. "All in the name of higher education for the Wealthy!" could be their motto.. because you know, all alliance races are civilized, so only those with connections and/or money would be allowed in! Then of course, we could stand around and make fun of the lower classes and the "school thatwill let just ANYONE in!"

[l3rokken4ngel]

I transfered a 38 lock and I have a lvl 10 warrior squid goat alliance side... I would love to be involved in anything you guys get going on and I'll be brainstorming as well. =)

[Qabian]

If there had been a Grim-type guild on Alliance side, I might have gone there instead. I doubt it, but I might have. I think an openly evil or at least Horde-genocidal Alliance guild would be really sweet. Or something like Visant's seriously morally questionable idea is also great. But then I'm an overly great fan of villains. (Sorry, Vil! Heh.) I doubt I'd ever get a second account to truly abuse such a thing, but I think it would be great for the server and instigating cross-faction rivalry and epic RP stories.

[Evanthe]

I would -love- a morally questionable alliance guild. Too many try and take the moral high ground. That's all well and good, but an evil ally guild I think would really shake things up.

I've been tempted to get a second account (Not that I would ever have time to play with it) and roll up a NE druid. Damn work, keeping me from playing the other side. *shakes fist*

[Skafloc]

Someone needs to ressurrect The Swordwaltzers, or a similar type Alliance guild.

While not overtly "evil" they certainly had some questionable tactics and doctrines, that is to say 'questionable' from the general Alliance outlook.

Conidhiv was one of the best 'evil' characters I can recall from the server's past, and yet he was Alliance. Kurohane drew the ire of many an Alliance official with her cavalier tactics and skirting the establishment.

Barke was, well, Barke. One of the most brooding, ruthless and capable rogues I have known.

Probably not a good idea to actually use the name "Swordwaltzers" out of respect, but some similar vigilante/cutthroat/mercenary Alliance guild would go a long way to filling a void that is begging to be populated in Alliance RP.

[Mortica]

yay, good ideas :) Keep them coming.

As I said, I can't commit to anything for this project but writing up a "come to magnificent TN" thread with these ideas, advertising here and there, and *maybe* thowing in some gold for guild charters and tabards. I don't expect you guys to do more than that either.

If you've ever been to the official RP forums, you'll find at least a dozen "which server should I pick for RP?" posts. You'll find at least 2 or 3 threads with "signups for rerolling on X server!" posts (with 4 or 5 pages of "ooh..I wanna do this!").

I think there are enough people hungry for good RP from other servers that other than maybe some financial and moral support, we shouldn't need to stretch ourselves thin. Alliance needs NEW blood. Not more alts of TNG.

[Solenev]

I love the idea of the evil circus troupe, Izrail. I'd love to be that gnome rogue with the pink hair.

There's also...

Religious Orders - they've got the best churches in the game. The Cathedral in Stormwind is so beautiful. And the Druid's area in Darnassus.

The ever difficult for pve, but entertaining, Gnome Only or Gnome Run Guild. Perhaps "Gnomer Tech"

Actually... I have half the mind to reactivate my Alliance account and start over Alliance side.

[Skafloc]

Actually... I have half the mind to reactivate my Alliance account and start over Alliance side.

Here's a question that maybe some can answer for me as I have no access to the official WoW pages.

When you initiate a character account transfer, does that character remain on the server from the previous account? Or does the owner of the new account have a choice where they wish said character to reside?

Just somthing I might explore.

[Roth'rili]

Actually I have no idea if you can even transfer characters via accounts, just servers =/

[Alana]

The Horde have RP coming out their ears. The Alliance seem to be suffering a long drawn out death.

That's because we all rerolled Blood Elves! Wahoo!

[Tillna]

I have two accounts, one is Horde, one is Ally. My ally one has every ones favorite Evil doer, Shigana, at the helm of an Evil Guild, Named Fear.

She is the only memeber as of now, as I want to levle Zart to 70 or something.

She was one of my favortie chars for being so unquestionably evil/insane.

Hell, Skaff remembers delivering her substatute body!

I am all in if any one needs help with an all something guild of any kind, or if they just need a hand with this that or the other

[Solenev]

When you initiate a character account transfer, does that character remain on the server from the previous account? Or does the owner of the new account have a choice where they wish said character to reside?
=.

Stays on the server it was on initially. At least when G and I had big plans for a Dwarf guild and we had a dwarf transfered from a pvp server and another account, it had to be transfered from that server as well.

It may just be different though now. Things change.

But I'd LOVE to start up Ironforge Tech. Leveling isn't going to suck as much as it used to. Already cast a scroll of resurrection on my account.

[Thrysta]

Just as a reminder, this is a brainstorming thread to try to get more RPers for the Alliance. This is not a "why Alliance stopped coming to TNG" thread. This is definitely not a "Alliance suck" or "Horde suck" thread. Post accordingly.

((
Also, don't get sidetracked into "well, maybe THIS type of guild will work" posts.
The whole idea is to attract Alliance players who will come up with great role-playing
ideas once they are here.

For me, this comes down to a few things:

A. Establish a presence on the Realm Forums. The trolls will never be drowned out,
but it is nice for a new player checking out a realm to see a couple of marked (RP)
threads when they come to see what's up with TN.

2. If you're interested in jumpstarting Alliance RP, start small and reroll. Recruit at
your level, and build a core of people who love the guild, not a bunch of 70 transfers.
You can't jump right into raiding AND establish a fledgling RP guild at the same time.
Be patient and get the guild set first. Enjoy the retooled dungeons and new sub 70 lootz.
Build relationships.

D. Be lenient. You're not going to magically attract a core of likeminded individuals to follow a strict set of RP rules or a tightly focused theme. Just label yourself as an RP guild
and attract roleplayers. The image of the guild can be decided by your core, those 10-20 players who after a little while you realize are in it for the long haul, and dedicated.

That's about all I have to say about that.
(Other than I have a 2nd account, and while I'm Grim through and through, I'd be happy to throw a reroll toon into an Alliance guild to help out. I want to see this work.)
))

[Hellista]

I have the gold and the account, and could easily start one of these guilds today on Alliance side. My only problem is that realistically I don't think I'd play it. With two 70's, and raiding, and RP, I just have too much to do on Horde side. But if anyone wants to start this, I will pony up the gold to at least get it off the ground and get taberds.

[Solenev]

So to reiterate what Thrysta said... let's make our presence on the regular forums. I just looked at it again and thought about how it doesn't look like a roleplay server at all. And boy are many of those people negative.

Also... I will be definitely willing to help but I'm a horrible guild leader so if someone's interested in a Stormwind Tech idea, I'll prop you up.

[Thrysta]

I have the gold and the account, and could easily start one of these guilds today on Alliance side. My only problem is that realistically I don't think I'd play it. With two 70's, and raiding, and RP, I just have too much to do on Horde side. But if anyone wants to start this, I will pony up the gold to at least get it off the ground and get taberds.

((
While horde players could help with the occasional alt, I don't think a dedicated horde
player would be ideal for serving as an officer or especially as a GM for any startup
Alliance guild.

Nothing worse than your GM or an officer telling you he/she can't logon that night
because he has to raid with his/her "other" guild.
))

[Mortica]

((
While horde players could help with the occasional alt, I don't think a dedicated horde
player would be ideal for serving as an officer or especially as a GM for any startup
Alliance guild.

Nothing worse than your GM or an officer telling you he/she can't logon that night
because he has to raid with his/her "other" guild.
))

exactly. That's why I said NEW players, not TNG alts.

If this is something you would like to help with by tossing an alt into the mix, then make the plans. However, don't start it yet. The idea is to get a bunch of young guilds started AT THE SAME TIME so they have resources other than their own guild (in case not as many people reroll as had originally planned) to fall back on.

[Daly]

And boy are many of those people negative.


As a frequent TN "official" poster, I'd like to say that I don't know if a lot of it is negative per sae. More snappy one liners and comebacks, at least that's the way I take it.

On topic, while PR is far from an RP guild, despite the forward backwards thing, your Shadowy Pal does dabble and would be more than pleased to assist the "morally ambiguous."

I really liked when the Swordwaltzers would send out the rally cry and Darkshire/STV would get rolled over.

[Solenev]

I really liked when the Swordwaltzers would send out the rally cry and Darkshire/STV would get rolled over.

Ooh. Some world PvP again.

Okay so we have the regular Roleplay Forums. Then should we consider advertising on other Server forums? Perhaps the PvE ones? Even on PvP forums? I know there are Rpers out in the PvP world... would be nice to use someone who has a 2500 rating in Arenas to do it. What is it with people going, "Your rating sux so not listening." ???

[Faelen]

Solenev, you gave me an idea... I don't know just exactly how willing I am (financially or time-wise) to partake in this idea, but as Mortica created the R.E.S. (Royal Entertainment Society) forums for Horde AND Alliance... why don't either you or myself, or someone else, do what we're doing Horde-side? I do not know what sort of community they have on Alliance-side, but it might get RPer's going without having to create all these new guilds... hard to say, but it might work. Maybe the Alliance would like to partake in one of my events?

I certainly know that with Faelen at 70 and pretty well geared, and except for my current once-a-week Kara run, I have a good amount of 'free wow time' currently that I spend either farming, or RPing.

The title of R.E.S. wouldn't have to change, either. Could be something deemed supported by Stormwind, and perhaps IC there is no recognition or knowledge of the same group Horde-side. Not sure how it would be if it became an Azeroth-neutral group in character... heh.

Well, there's one idea, hopefully I'll come up with more soon...

[Crysa]

Well.. here, since I'm not technically doing ANYTHING except for leveling up alts at the moment.. I volunteer myself, and any of my characters, with the exclusion of Maegannon (because she's both exiled from Azeroth and mainly just a farming character. She's lost her spark with out her hubby and her crew)

My list of available alts are!

1. Crysa Nex'Cruor, niece of Clys, Half-Elven Magi Student of the Kirin'Tor (Dalaran) currently residing in Alliance lands in an attempt to farther the goals of the Nex'Cruor family and related clans.

2.Lisbet, Orphan Mistress of the Exodar and budding shadow priest that is just coming into her own.

3.Alishondra Vaughn, Rough and tumble, rather hit you in the face with a mace then get hit on, hates the world, authority, and just about everyone except Heidenreich and Abusive of First Legion.

4. Makel Snowfall, Retired Fisherman and Warrior Night Elf, Father of Maegannon, Looking to put that spark back into his life.

5. Rosemerta Blanchette/Liadon, Teenage warlock and High Elf Shadow Mage rolled into one body. She just wants to be free to grow, learn, and maim some stuff. He wants his own body, so that he can farther his research into darker magics.


Give me something solid to work with on ONE of these characters, and I'll build a site, forums, and get things off the ground.

[Evanthe]

Skafloc, when I looked at transfering a character I remember seeing the option to do both an account switch and a realm switch

Too bad they can't restore characters to another account from this one.

[Thrysta]

((
This is like trying to herd cats...

The idea isn't to jump over and create the illusion of Alliance success with
a bunch of Horde alts starting up new guilds and serving as GMs/officers/forum admins/ with transferred toons. The sentiment is nice, but it won't stick and it won't last.

The idea is to recruit new blood, new roleplayers, who are eager to create new
guilds with new ideas and build things from the ground up on the Alliance side.

Honestly, if there's talk of Horde players adding alts to the alliance side, it shouldn't be
to do anymore than serve as just another member of guild that someone new and dedicated is spearheading with their core of people.

To borrow a term from Abric,
"Too many chiefs, not enough indians..."
No Horde player should be a "chief" in this situation, alliance-side...they should just
be "indians".
))

[Solenev]

((This is like trying to herd cats...)

MaeMae is Alliance. And most of the Horde players are interested in only being part-time players to help assist people.

[Crysa]

Yea Skaf you can move characters off servers when you move them off accounts.. but if you were tempted to bring Nouri back to TN, its impossible. you can swap servers, so long as they're the same -kind- of server.

and Thrysta, to ease your mind, I wont ask hordies to make alli alts. I'm just asking for some help in forming a solid idea from mai favorite rpers :D I can get my own faction intrested, I've got friends in low.. erm.. high *wink* places.

[Daedraug]

I'm still guildless...maybe I need to get off my ass :P

[Faelen]

To comment on Thrysta's concern, speaking for myself and R.E.S., my going over there, Solenev's going over there, whoever will start as our "Alliance Sponsor", we will need to get involved in the Alliance community, understand what it might need, and Then we can begin to delegate and have someone who's full-time Alliance participate, if in fact it is something that Alliance-side wants. :) It just takes time. I also think I'd be pretty interested in Alliance-side Horde, as I've only ever heard about it all of this time... never actually saw it from the other perspective.

[Evanthe]

And most of the Horde players are interested in only being part-time players to help assist people.

I would not lead a guild if I had an alliance alt, I enjoy horde-side too much to dedicate the time necessary. However, having an alt or two of an already established player in a fladgling guild willing to help out with items and RP can't hurt, can it?

Yes, we -do- need new blood alliance side, not just alts. But alts can help speed things along.

Really, we should just do a massive recruitment push.

[Hellista]

I would love to fight against Stormwind Tech in the Battlegrounds. Also, RP-wise, they would make a great nemesis for SMU. If you were to do this, you would also need to make sure to get the same deal SMU has with the Cartel so we can be on even footing.

Or the Circus Idea might be cool too.

[Zelphie]

I've been jaded and just gave up and focused on PvP. I am more than not IC with my warlock and my shammie still prefers Exodar for any of her City needs, but for the most there is little interest for me with how devoid RP is in this server and game period.


I have a gnome warrior named Gibbly Fiddlebetter I've been considering for quite a long time to start a guild with called "East Kalimdor Trade Company" which would be basically a direct and hostile competitor to the steamwheedle cartel. Rank advancement would be based on your standing with the cartel and we would do raids on steamwheedle ports/ships/towns.

I just don't have the energy or time to really organize a group like that in addition to my multiple chars grinding materials and honor for PvP progression. Maybe later into season 3 I can seriously consider it.

[Shelgeyr]

I am pretty sure that the Enforcers would be in favor of helping out new RP guilds, by nefarious as well as legit means. I have brought this push to Sowell's attention, and will start doing some brainstorming on my own. I might also have an alt or 5 to spread around and help out.

[Skafloc]

Yea Skaf you can move characters off servers when you move them off accounts.. but if you were tempted to bring Nouri back to TN, its impossible. you can swap servers, so long as they're the same -kind- of server.


Well I won't lie, I WAS considering that possibility. But being on Sentinels I guess that is a pipe dream.

However, I do have a couple other other options if I in fact do explore the second account. I have a lvl 30 something human rogue on Kargath (PvP server) that I use for when all the other servers are down,

Then there is Finde Fibrillator, my creepy lvl 32 gnome warlock on VCo. He is full of RP win and would certainly be an easy fit for any 'evil' minded Alliance guild.

[Zelphie]

I am pretty sure that the Enforcers would be in favor of helping out new RP guilds, by nefarious as well as legit means. I have brought this push to Sowell's attention, and will start doing some brainstorming on my own. I might also have an alt or 5 to spread around and help out.

I was actually thinking of Cartel Enforcers, if you read my idea above, which I've drawn out and brainstormed more than my reply gave credit, there could be good interest in sparking hostilities between Cartel Enforcers and my imagined guild E. Kalim. Trade Co. Although as I said this isn't really something I'm ready to do all by myself, nor have the energy to lead :/

[Daedraug]

I think maybe something that could grab the attention of a chunk of the Alliance O.G. role players who've fallen out of love with the game from sheer boredom could be the key. Alas, with as many of them as have fled server or side, I don't know how many of us there are anymore. There's a lot of talent out there as fas as capable officers and extremely creative players but nearly all of it is floating in stasis.

[Zelphie]

In other words, Waiting for W:AR




:D

[Sifar]

Wow - there are some really great ideas floating around. I am happy to do whatever I can to bring one or more of them to the forefront. Unfortunately, "whatever I can" falls more and more into the encouragement and advertising realm rather than real leadership. I couldn't do it justice with my current workload and family time requirements.

As for some of the existing RP guilds... I'm going to start kicking a few of them in the butt to be a bit more public. Not that I know them well, but I can be a hell of an annoyance. For a few of the "how about this..." suggestions, I know there are existing guilds with that type of background but no one ever hears about them.

I RP with all my characters, having a main is not my cup of tea, but most of it is on the spot, open, and doesn't linger very long.

[Sanrin]

Ive really held off posting on this subject for a while now in an attempt to get some thoughts together and watch the reactions I more or less assumed would pop up. It would be an absolute waste of time for me to restate most of the main points here, however I think that if you're going to make one side just as strong as another we need to sit down and figure out exactly what the differences are.

Number wise Horde (i am sure Kaldore will correct me if I am wrong with his handy dandy facts webpages) out number Alliance...by a very tiny degree. I also am sure that most Alliance are broken into smaller more no-name guilds for their RP, otherwise they do it on their own time in their own circles. Our goal is to (in a sense) get them to stop what they're doing for a bit and participate on a much larger scale. More rivalries, more intimate plot between cross faction and inter-faction....that sort of deal. Fourm rp helps greatly, but I think overall it would be nice for us to sit down and touch base with these individuals and actually see what kind of goals they have overall (in common with our own, or not).

That being said I think it would be an absolute waste of time for Horde to roll alts in an attempt to foster Alliance rp. Additionally I think its a further waste of time to get Alliance to post as much as possible on the TNG. Im sad saying this, but in the end I think we'll have more success sitting down on an individual level with these leaders if we want to get something big to occur...and the TNG just isnt the place for that. You're all very friendly, kind, and wonderful people to know. But its not easy to move from a pond to an ocean, particularly when everyone swimming in said ocean isnt even from around your neck of the woods. Ive spoken with some on this subject and for the most part we all agree...if the idea is to get Alliance to move on their own, it needs to start by keeping Horde out of its foundation as much as possible. Completely independent, self motivated, something will hold itself afloat. If this concept of a new guild, plot, storyline, attack formation is based COMPLETELY around tongue and cheeking Horde forces then it will fail just the same as most Alliance guilds that've come here in the past searching for rp.

As said from MANY of the alliance here, they'd love to particpate but not to lead. And sadly what we need is our own independent leadership to form. Perhaps this is where I pull out my horn, call up Liadain and force her to take the reigns of RP Alliance side yet again. Though I am raiding 4/7 days a week, personally I dont mind setting up a guild to work with as well...though I believe that role players will find less of a 'rp' community in Empyrean Dawn, so simply recruiting rper's into my guild is out of the question at this point in time.

I apologize if my disposition on the subject is a little dry, however I'll do the best I can to attempt to organize these thoughts into something that we can execute on our side of the fence.

[Mortica]

lol Finde! I <3 Finde. In fact, I was considering the option of bringing my nelf warrior Acitrom from there over to TN because I did like his RP persona (however, the idea of spending $25 to transfer a level 32 character seems silly and doubt I'll do it).

Shelgyr, I was hoping the Cartel would be interested in helping out. I'm glad you are considering it!

Daedraug, I know that the focus of all this is to bring NEW RPers to TN, but I'm hoping that a influx of new ideas and stories will lure some of the old guard out and get them re-interested.

Keep the ideas coming!

[Zelphie]

That being said I think it would be an absolute waste of time for Horde to roll alts in an attempt to foster Alliance rp [...] Completely independent, self motivated, something will hold itself afloat.



Agreed totally, hey I'll talk to you later about my idea with East Kalimdor Trade Co., maybe we can work our alts into it but it seems to be a bit hardcore for just alts to casually do it.

[Thrysta]

((
Good lord, Sanrin, thank you.
I couldn't handle any more /facepalming.
))

[Riffs]

I don't believe I've posted here before, but now's as good a time as any. I originally came to TN *because* of the Alliance RP and it's really disappointing to see it fade away. Seeing the IFR battle it out with the Horde in Redridge was the single coolest thing I'd ever seen on WoW up to that point. It gave the game that immersive atmosphere that the normal PVP servers I'd been on lacked. I don't think it was a planned event or anything, the Horde just showed up to terrorize Lakeshire as normal and it developed into a very neat RP experience. It felt like the world PVP meant something, like it had a purpose. I don't see much of that anymore.

That said, I now have several characters on TN and would be willing to help in any way that I can in sparking a rebirth of Alliance RP, RP that involves the whole community, not just a select group of players. I have no real RP experience and wouldn't know how to plan an event or start a guild, but if someone gets the ball rolling I'd be more than happy to help out.

The characters that I frequently play on are:
Sharps, 70 dwarf hunter
Riffs, 69 gnome warrior
Taika, 34 gnome mage
Flips, 28 gnome rogue

[Shelgeyr]

Mortica:
Yeah I will certainly be willing and interested to help. As many of you know by now, I too have dual accounts and bounce back and forth a lot since I adopted TN as my home. I am still brainstorming and trying to organize some ideas of my own. Hopefully I will get them out within the next day or two. Anything I can do to help feel free to send me PMs here or in-game.

[Xiphus]

In other words, Waiting for W:AR




:D

I am waiting for a MMORPG where every single person is out to kill each other and keep doing so without giving a wiff about the incentives or the rewards. Just they want to wipe each other off the face of the map, get the lewt from each other, and then try to prevent themselves from being wiped out of the map.

WoW is a bit too tame for my liking. I see no War in here.

[Alekander]

I actually have a lot of ideas I didn't get a chance to add in before, I don't have the time right now to post them, but I will later. I have at least 3 Alliance side RP guilds I was considering doing before finally settling on the Kor'kron Vanguard Project 21 days ago.

-A

[Bir]

This (http://www.kultirasmarines.com/) is the longest lasting Alliance guild on Maelstrom. Maybe we could.. adopt their militaristic style.. or you know, convince them all to transfer here...

Nothing was more fun than being the only person not in their RP raid while they were playing kick ball in the STV arena..

[Icia]

I have to say, I love the idea of having a guild opposite Silvermoon University. With Bluh having joined SMU, I find lots of the fun-loving ideas would go very well on the Alliance.

However, as much as I would love to lead it, I am not good at organizing the events. I don't mind playing headmaster or dean or whatnot, as long as I can get someone to help keep things moving while I handle the more technical details, and help provide brainstorming for events.

Here's my first thought:
Gnomeregan Tech. Gnomes are just silly enough to make this work. Of course it wouldn't be limited to Gnomes as far as enrollment goes, but if we could get a Gnome to lead it all, it would be amazingly fun to get some cross-faction old fashioned gnomish beatdowns on SMU, and vice versa.
Especially considering the general hatred for Gnomes over there.

Who's with me?

[Dolidhe]

Who's with me?

I am! I love helping to run events! I ran into a few Rpers just by asking why someone was advertising a guild with "NO RP" in General chat. Of course they never responded, but the roleplayers did. I also pointed them in the direction of TNG. One was interested in creating a guild. So if you're here .. .speak up please!

[Alekander]

Theramoore Marines

---


The Inquisition

The Conquestidors

The Unquestionable

A Guild of Zealots dominated mostly by Draenei seeking to take revenge upon the Orcs for all that they have done. They seek to carry out genocide upon the Orcs.


---


-A

[Alekander]

That being said I think it would be an absolute waste of time for Horde to roll alts in an attempt to foster Alliance rp [...] Completely independent, self motivated, something will hold itself afloat.


Yeah. Agreed.

[Alekander]

This (http://www.kultirasmarines.com/) is the longest lasting Alliance guild on Maelstrom. Maybe we could [...] or you know, convince them all to transfer here...


I took the initiative and went ahead and contacted them ingame and on the forums. The Kul Tiras Marines are an excellent candidate for transfer in RP, and they've done a re roll once before. They were one of the original guilds that went from the Unofficial RP-PvP server to Maelstrom.

I spoke with a level 70 Warrior in their guild, for over 30 minutes. Their leaders were not online. The person I spoke with thought that such an idea maybe plausible, and that I should continue with my plan to contact them on the forums.

So I did. You can support me or hate me on this one, it's just me doing what I do best. Taking action on good ideas, and Bir, you had a good idea.

So here it is, my thread on their forums. Cross your fingers, no?

http://www.kultirasmarines.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=6609

Edit:

Oh well, at least I tried.

[Anthek]

Geez, talk about an asshole.

[Faelen]

You know, it NEVER hurts to ask. Alexander is suggesting an option, and of course it'll be up to that guild to decide. They can say yes, or they can say no. Either way, better to have asked than never to have asked at all. Maybe it's not something I'd personally do... but not everyone is like me. :P

So far, so good. I agree that Alliance RP SHOULD be Alliance led and inspired... I am still willing (or wish I had a way) of assisting further, beyond the mentioning of an Alliance-side R.E.S.... that's just the part of me always being willing to help, if I can... *chuckles* And I will, hopefully, in my own ways.

[Visant]

Nice try anyway alexander. Some people are just unhappy no matter how nicely you approach them.

[Feorn]

Perhaps this is where I pull out my horn, call up Liadain and force her to take the reigns of RP Alliance side yet again.


Yo, We're sorta here. And stuff.

I'm a man of few words, I prefer reading over writing. But, there is some stuff going on in Rooks. Sorta. Okay, so there are like two people posting stories. You just need to convince them to come over here and post them. I guess.

Anyway, she's off in jolly old England for a few days. You might have a bit of trouble getting a hold of her. But if there's anyone who could lead us rag-tag lurkers into some participation, it's gonna be her.

[Jeedup]

Gnome only guild.

Yah, I went there. :P

[Medduren]

Yo, We're sorta here. And stuff.

I'm a man of few words, I prefer reading over writing. But, there is some stuff going on in Rooks. Sorta. Okay, so there are like two people posting stories. You just need to convince them to come over here and post them. I guess.

Anyway, she's off in jolly old England for a few days. You might have a bit of trouble getting a hold of her. But if there's anyone who could lead us rag-tag lurkers into some participation, it's gonna be her.

Yep. If you'd like to spark some sort of RP rebirth [A]-side, being a touch more inclusive to those considered outside the 'heavy RP standard' might help. Because guilds are less than participatory here, or in public, they need not be excluded from "the list" or the community's public mind. A way to help? Re-take the server forums.

TNG is a double-edged blade; while it is an amazing venue for storyline exchange and collaboration, and has been arguably the flagship role-play achievement for this server, it also, unfortunately, seems to have created a divide between the RP 'are' and the RP 'would-bes.' It's been said before, I know, but this place can be intimidating. I think there was a lot of wisdom in what Sanrin said. It needs to happen naturally, and away from from "the ocean."

Yus, Lia has something planned for our lurkers, and as the real-life situation settles, I imagine we will play a progressively more overt RP role.

I wouldn't be adverse to setting up some sort of rivalry with the Vanguard ;)

[Alekander]

I wouldn't be adverse to setting up some sort of rivalry with the Vanguard ;)


I'll have my peoples contact your peoples and we'll haves a peoples meeting about that.

[Mortica]

Not sure if I made this clear or not, but I am not expecting the Alliance to suddenly come back in droves to TNG. Too many broken bottles of poison are strewn down that path for me to have that dream. I just want to be able to say with full conviction that TN is the best RP-PVP server no matter which side of the fence you choose. I could talk at length about the whole "TNG vs Alliance" but this is not the thread for it.

Keep the ideas coming..I'm beginning to sort through them and find themes and places where we can mix ideas. Hopefully have a preliminary version of my recruitment post today or tomorrow.

[Daedraug]

Well we've put our 2 pence in. <The Ebon Banner> is that o.g. quotient I was talking about. We'll be recruiting in the next few months or so I imagine, so maybe that will help with the new folks too.

[Sifar]

Mortica, I think we all know and agree that TNG is not the only place RP happens...lovely though it is. I think part of our "job" alliance-side is to open more places where people can and want to share their RP. For example, I spent a lovely evening in LightbringerHold last night and hope to have more of the same. I'm also reminding myself to do more "open air" chatting just to be visible.

If hubby and I can put our heads together, we might even have a fun new guild to add to the mix.

[Bir]

Daamn, sorry guys I didn't think they'd respond like that -_- I actually saw them as the only real RPers on Maelstrom. /shrug

As for horde rolling alliance alts.. Well, if we already have alliance alts, why not? I've been thinking more and more of getting a second account and transfering my old warlock onto it, so I might RP him once again.. and y'know, corpse camp some of you peeps. ;P

[Alekander]

Daamn, sorry guys I didn't think they'd respond like that -_- I actually saw them as the only real RPers on Maelstrom. /shrug

As for horde rolling alliance alts.. Well, if we already have alliance alts, why not? I've been thinking more and more of getting a second account and transfering my old warlock onto it, so I might RP him once again.. and y'know, corpse camp some of you peeps. ;P

Because they need dedicated Alliance RPers. Heavy RP community leaders that will be willing to make a commitment only to the Alliance, and primarily to the Alliance. They don't want committed folks, they need commitment.

Let's say for the sake of argument you try to balance both the Horde and the Alliance RP on your shoulders. You come up with a great project for Alliance RP. Now, let's say you have 20 hours a week of WoW time. With a great project, you can't manage it with just 20 hours a week, trust me. But let's say you could. Wait, now, hold a minute. You're Horde, too. That mean you really only have 10 hours to play as alliance, a week. Ask any prominent guild leader, and they will tell you without a doubt that is suicide. The last thing the Alliance needs is a great guild rolling up with a great concept and then bailing because the guild leader burned out in a week and retreated back to the Horde. Now, you've just thrown a few Alliance's hopes way up, and a week later, you smacked it down. Even if you're a nice guy, trust me, a big project going down in flames and smoke will have negative consequences on the Alliance.

But do you know what's worse? Let's say you manage to pull off the first few months well enough, and you get a nice guild started. You have commitments to both the Horde and Alliance, and that means that eventually, the guild will outgrow your ability to manage it, and either there will be a leadership change, or your guild will slowly burn away like ashes in the wind. That will be even worse for the Alliance. Look at what a great guild the IFR was, and now look at it slowly burning away. The last thing the Alliance needs is something like that, on a much shorter time scale.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's irrational, implausible, and unwise. They Alliance would be much better off if they got completely new blood, not just the same old rehashed players.

And hey, don't even get me started on the negitive effects that might lead to for the Horde. If we loose ten hours of RP from enough players, we'll be looking at consequences there, as well.

Ergo, on Pragmatism, I'm going to have to ask that if Horde want to help, they help with ideas, and not actual commitments that they can't keep.

Edit: Don't worry about it, man. You couldn't have known they were jackasses. Even if I wasted a few hours; I should have realized they were flipping off WoW while riding off into the sunset for Warhammer. I hate Warhammer. Nice concepts, concepts that should be applied to WoW in some ways, and will be applied to WoW, but honestly, the Lore blows. No female orcs? Man eff that!

-Alexander


Well we've put our 2 pence in. <The Ebon Banner> is that o.g. quotient I was talking about. We'll be recruiting in the next few months or so I imagine, so maybe that will help with the new folks too.

Yeah, I saw that. Please stop by my website when you go big and get established. I happened to be one of your founding signatures on my Alliance alt while talking with Sanrin and looking for Sowell. You owe me ;) so when you're ready, drop off some information about what you're all about, as I'm curious to see what events we can organize XF (Cross Faction).

Or just send me a private message here on TN with a link to your website or whatever have you. If you have a thread here on TNG, I might miss it.

-Alexander

[Jerec]

Alexander, I'd like to apologize for my crude reply. I came home pretty drunk and fuming over the fact my team lost that night. The first thing I saw when I breezed by the forum was what I thought was another generic 'plz move to my shard' or 'plz let me copy ur guild' thread. It didn't appear to have any real substance to it with the state my mind was in at the time, so I gave you my full drunken broadside (This has happened time to time, sorry, can't help, I'm a partier).

Let me be frank though. It's too little too late. If you had come to us four or so months ago with a serious offer such as this, it might have happened. Thing is, since the summer, Maelstrom had gotten pretty lame plus several of our members got accepted as guild reps for the Age of Conan & Warhammer betas. Those who still wanted to further their character in WoW have moved to more PvE centric guilds until we decide where we go next. Everyone else has returned to a private Ultima Online shard.

We've been around since the beginning and it's been very disheartening to watch the unofficial rp-pvp server fail and then reroll to an official rp-pvp server only to watch it fail. It gets lonely being the only one. I don't know if you know this feeling or not, maybe you do, but if you are lucky you don't. It's a pretty empty feeling. You are right when you speak of Warhammer lore, it blows compared to WoW. Unfortunately WoW blew it by not allowing cross faction communication or the ability to declare war on fellow Alliance guild members.

Our active base on Maelstrom right now is probably... oh... I don't know, somewhere around 25 members with 8 to 15 on at peak times. I think in return for my rude drunken reply, I should at least make an effort to see what they think. I'll make a post on our private forums and see if there are any nibbles pro or against. Who knows. I just wouldn't get your hopes up, as you can tell from the replies, WoW's lack of rp support has kind of crushed our spirits for that game.


~J

[Sabachthan]

Unfortunately WoW blew it by not allowing cross faction communication or the ability to declare war on fellow Alliance guild members.
Although the griefing that would be possible from cross-faction communication absolutely boggles my mind, I understand the desire.

The Ghants have for half a year said that if there was ever a Free For All server that we'd transfer in a heart-beat. The idea has incredible RP potential, but I think it would also be insane in terms of abuse.

Seems to me that the trouble with some of the best game mechanic ideas for RP-ers is that they don't work in a sphere with those that don't RP. Too many absolutely loco losers out there to take away from your pleasure of the game.

[[ P.S. I'm no lore expert, but you guys ragging on Warhammer lore reminds me of http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10 ]]

[Irontoe]

Speaking on behalf of Silvermoon University, we've always wanted a school/guild on the other faction (University of Stormwind, Ironforge Tech, etc) to act as our arch-rivals. Visions of school mascot stealing, rude pranks, and, of course, homecoming bloodsports events.

This.

[Smush]

/agree with Irontoe, and whoever came up with the idea originally! Rival institutions of higher education would be great fun! Sorry if I'm showing my ignorance here but has Silvermoon U gone so far as to create Frats and Sororities as well? Someone HAS to be on double secret probation afterall!

And the other reason I wanted to post, whoever can get this going for the alliance, I just wanted to suggest that they try to get in touch with Torgrim as he was Sacred Fire's resident lore expert, and that's something that's always great to have around if you ask me. Although, I believe he's on fairly infrequently which makes things tougher there.

[Medduren]

Wasn't there a... was it "Westbrook War Academy?" Something like that. What happened to those guys?

[Alekander]

Alexander, I'd like to apologize for my crude reply. I came home pretty drunk and fuming over the fact my team lost that night. The first thing I saw when I breezed by the forum was what I thought was another generic 'plz move to my shard' or 'plz let me copy ur guild' thread. It didn't appear to have any real substance to it with the state my mind was in at the time, so I gave you my full drunken broadside (This has happened time to time, sorry, can't help, I'm a partier).

Let me be frank though. It's too little too late. If you had come to us four or so months ago with a serious offer such as this, it might have happened. Thing is, since the summer, Maelstrom had gotten pretty lame plus several of our members got accepted as guild reps for the Age of Conan & Warhammer betas. Those who still wanted to further their character in WoW have moved to more PvE centric guilds until we decide where we go next. Everyone else has returned to a private Ultima Online shard.

We've been around since the beginning and it's been very disheartening to watch the unofficial rp-pvp server fail and then reroll to an official rp-pvp server only to watch it fail. It gets lonely being the only one. I don't know if you know this feeling or not, maybe you do, but if you are lucky you don't. It's a pretty empty feeling. You are right when you speak of Warhammer lore, it blows compared to WoW. Unfortunately WoW blew it by not allowing cross faction communication or the ability to declare war on fellow Alliance guild members.

Our active base on Maelstrom right now is probably... oh... I don't know, somewhere around 25 members with 8 to 15 on at peak times. I think in return for my rude drunken reply, I should at least make an effort to see what they think. I'll make a post on our private forums and see if there are any nibbles pro or against. Who knows. I just wouldn't get your hopes up, as you can tell from the replies, WoW's lack of rp support has kind of crushed our spirits for that game.


~J



I accept your apology. To make great RP, you can't depend on the company, or any company, that makes games (at least until they realize how much money they can make of Roleplayer's ideas) you have to depend upon fellow RPers for RP. Here on TN, most RPers take action and mass report name violations and theres even a cross factions guild that finds RP grievers and camps them.

I accept your apology because I've been on other RP-PVP servers and know what it's like, to keep telling yourself, oh, this server is awesome. The fact is though, that it's not, and it's a really crappy server. Twisting nether isn't like that, everyone here will tell you that of all the RP-PVP servers, this is the best, and the most supported. This server has a huge community of RPers.

On Twisting Nether there was an event once called the King of Rats. Some 200 RPers had an RP battle on the island of Alcaz, and they crashed the server. The whole battle had a nice story line behind it, too.

Twisting Nether has something else, too. Twisting Nether Gazette. It's been around since the November after the launch of the RP-PVP servers. Recently, I think it was last year, it was even posted in the Community Spotlight on the Official WoW website.

So I accept your apology, and unfortunately, know your pain. I can tell you, you'll find no such pain here.

[Imara]

*dramatic music with movie announcer voices*


And sadly what we need is our own independent leadership to form. Perhaps this is where I pull out my horn, call up Liadain and force her to take the reigns of RP Alliance side yet again.


But if there's anyone who could lead us rag-tag lurkers into some participation, it's gonna be her.

*rides in on white horse*

;)

I told Medduren that I think I am both flattered and scared reading the references to my abilities in this thread. Hehe.

For those of you that don't know, I am the fairly recently appointed Mistress of Revelry (i.e. RP Officer) in the Rooks.

I have been around since opening night of the server and I do have a lot of experience in the Alliance RP community, as well as cross-faction event planning, on TN. You can read most of my exploits here in the pages of the TNG and on our Rooks site.

In fact, you can read quite a bit of RP from Rooks members here (http://www.therooks.org/forums/index.php?c=4). I have to agree with Medduren that part of the problem Alliance side is encouraging the casual RPers not to feel intimidated by those of us that are more "hardcore."

It seems that RP alliance side is suffering because there's not enough opportunity for people to get their feet wet. I think active channels are an excellent first step, along with smaller, simple events where people can try it out without feeling underprepared. Then, once these "lurkers" start to get more enthusiastic again and see that you can RP around your pvp and pve goals we should start to gain some momentum.

I'll keep you all posted on my next Rooks hosted event. And feel free to contact me anytime... particularly now that I'm back in the country. :)

P.S. If this post is incoherent I apologize. I am very jet-lagged at the moment. :(

[Sanrin]

Shut up.

Im going to find you in game or something. We'll organize crap.

[Medduren]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3269186496&sid=1 <-

Needs moar posts. Am I way late in realizing that we haven't a guild listing post on the server forums at all?

[Furta]

The list vanished a couple months ago.
It's been partially combined withthe progression thread, though a dedicated guild listing might not be a bad thing.

[Stargazer]

Perhaps an uber-religious, almost Scarlet Crusade kind of guild? Almost sort of Cult of Kerahl style...

Or the Cult could come back, and want to be involved as 'the bad guys' in such a venture. Since we've got the first part done, let's look at the second part. Where did this project leave off?

[Emmons]

Wow, this thread has been dead almost a year. Someone's been doing some forum-delving.

[Swerto]

Beware of the dreaded thread necromancy!

[Skaadvik]

While I'm no longer a member, it's worth mentioning the Fabled Order, as nobody here seems to know who they are/remember them. All Paladins, and among the longest-lived RP guilds on Alliance side. Also, I know that IFR is openly recruiting again. As for me, I've decided to focus more on PvE in Wrath, RPing when the opportunity presents itself. There really are a ton of smaller RP guilds on Alliance side who are full of up-and-coming RPers, though. Not having any experience of TN Horde side, I would still say that there are a lot more guilds and there is a lot more RP than people seem to think. Pretty much every night when I'm piddling around selling enchantments and jewelcrafting in Stormwind I run into opportunities to RP, right there in the Trade District.


Edit: I guess this thread is old as hell, now that I look at the most recent posts, but what I said still stands. Also, the Cult of Kerahl is on the rise again.

[Emmons]

Wait...why the hell is this tagged "Emmons is a pansy?"