Report, report and then REPORT some more!

[Grisch]

Look guys, I'm getting sick of this. I can't RP in public for two seconds without drawing some moronic, assed l33t kiddie who then proceeds to jump on the nearest table and dance while spamming stupid all over every channel he/she/it can connect to. I swear they must have a 'dance on table and spam stupid' macro or something.

For anyone who doesn't know, Blizzard does NOT police the server. They only handle issues that are reported to them directly. So by you being a nice guy to the little twit that is spamming his idiocy around, you're simply leaving the guy to grief another RPer. We need to start weeding out certain types of personalities here. Make this a hostile and unpleasant place for them to be. Don't think you're being nice by not reporting them. By not reporting people, you are simply adding to the deterioration of the server.

Aditionally, the more reports about each individual asshat, the quicker they will reach the top of the 'punishment volcano' as Bliz puts it, and get them booted permanently.

So:
Report names.
Inform the guy, then report him. Either way, whether he wants it changed or not, it's got to change. Primarily it's another mark on his record. People who purposefully choose idiotic names on an RP server will likely go on to become bigger griefers when they don't get the attention they want.

Report guild names.
Same thing, it gets the message across to a number of people at once that this is an RP server, don't mess with the Rp rules. Besides, guilds with non-Rp names usually consist of griefers anyway.

Report behaviour.
1) /s and /y channels are IC ONLY. Anyone who breaks this, give them a warning. Hopefully they will come back at you with attitude and you can report them.

2) The in game channels (General, trade, Looking for Group) are for game related chat ONLY. Sure, you don't have to report everything someone says, but if you see an asshat who's trying to make a name for himself, give him the love he so desperately wants. In fact, once again, ask him to stop in the same channel. His ego will likely not be able to take it in front of his buddies, and he will go off at you. You then put in a report for everything.

Also anyone voicing anti-RP sentiment on an RP server is violating the TOS and is a first class report waiting to happen.

3) Rp griefers. Not sure about the rest of you, but it seems like RP is flypaper for morons. You sit in a tavern and you will have 3 idiots there immediately trying to get a rise out of you, one or more of whom will be dancing on the table.

Ask them to leave, wait for the inevitable bullshit that comes back and report them for it all.

Oh, and the guys who get here professing to not know the rules of an RP server. Well this game requires you to be able to read. If you can't read the manual OR the part on the game screen where you choose your server, it's not my problem. If the mind is weak, the body must suffer.

Seriously folks, TN is drawing more attention and additional RPers from other servers. Lets not waste this opportunity. I'd hate for people to come here and then get mad saying it's the same as everywhere else.

Excersize a zero tolerance policy and help turn this place into the RP server everyone has always wanted.

[Laron]

/signed
:( I report people with non RP names all the time.

[Caelyn]

Well I've always reported, and always will. I keep a pen and paper next to the computer to take down all the "non RP names/behavior" I see. Yes I do inform the person of the issue, but they always are reported.

I send in a batch about once a week. Which is pretty good, considering I was up to twice a day when the server started.

[Tyrsza]

We have to keep reporting up- complacency is our biggest enemy.


Also- you must Must MUST MUST tell rp griefers, people talking ooc in ic channels, etc to Stop before you can report them. The gms can only do something if you tell the offender to stop (nicely, lets not give them a reason to report us) and they continue. ( I heard this from a GM on the customer service forum. )

As someone pointed out, the asshats will frequently behave even worse after you ask them to stop, giving them more rope to hang themselves with. :)


In short: I agree completely. Remember to ask the offender to stop first, give as much info in your report as possible (time of occurance, channel, location, etc.) and be polite to both the asshats and the gms. Especially the GMs- customer service positions suck monkey testies.

[Tyrsza]

*headdesk*

*headdesk*

NEVER be nice to non-rpers who dance on tables and spam stupid.

BAD GRISCH.


Wha?

He wasn't advocating being nice, he was advocating reporting them. Now, you should be polite when you deal with them, only so you do not give them any amunition to report you with. :roll:

[Abric]

Hm. As much emotion that text can convey, I'm getting a bit of heat from you, Grisch.

Best to take a step back, take a breath... and let the DOOM slide from your jowls. When you start to get pissed, you'll start to nitpick... and when nitpicking happens the fun goes out the window.

You are right, though. Blizzard leaves it up to the communities of their servers to enforce themselves; ESPECIALLY roleplaying servers. They can't physically or finacially plop a GM everywhere and have them as some sort of secret police. They watch for the felonies - and expect the citizens to worry about the misdemenors.

So, as a community we must take a stand and not accept people who are here just "to play the game." While that is all well and good - this IS NOT the place to just "play the game." You roleplay the game, or you go somewhere else. We all want to "play the game," but those reading this want to take the extra step by immersing ourselves. Then again... I'm preaching to the choir.

Report is our way to handle this; but don't go to it with an attitude - positive or negative. Keep it professional and keep it smooth. It's already been said, but it bears repeating... CONFRONT the person. While they will *not* be happy, who cares? They have shown they have no regard to the players of this server; so we should show them the courtsey of informing them of that. Kill them with kindness... and a TPS report (with a cover.)

Also, I did bring up this:

http://tn.yzeens.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=952

While primarily focused on the public server board, it can be brought to discussion on the game itself. I know Lupa has really taken charge on the board and trying to help out - maybe we can put our collective nerdiness together and becoming an overpowering think tank +5.

AbricOOC
~One of those who always has a report open

[Soraxis]

I agree with what grisch is saying but think that one thing should be tweaked...if a person is disrupting your RP, A) be nice to him and explain the rules of the server and B) try to get him to RP, I'd much rather have a RP convert than a player with more of a grudge against RPers. Now of course there are some people who won't listen to that and just keep going anyway...those guys you report. I'm just saying that we should still be trying to get people to start RPing.

I think Castor is a perfect example of this, I dont know how it happened but from what I understand he came here fully intending not to RP. Well uh...now he is, I'm sure that didnt happen by someone reporting him and getting him a warning (Not holding you in any bad light at all Castor, you're just a really good example for my point :))

[Lovely]

I've been reporting everything lately. I actually got to talk to a GM twice this weekend, after reporting rooftop exploit campers (one of which was in Lupa's guild). While talking to the GM, I asked him a few questions about reporting names. I've reported a few that were just wrong for this server....

The GM said he agreed with me, and said whenever he played, he was an RPer himself.

It kind of made me feel good inside to know a GM was an RPer.....

Just wanted to share.

[Mortica]

It kind of made me feel good inside to know a GM was an RPer.....

Lies!

errr.. did you tell him start a character here on TN? hehe. Nothing like getting an inside guy on our side ;)

[Lovely]

It kind of made me feel good inside to know a GM was an RPer.....

Lies!

errr.. did you tell him start a character here on TN? hehe. Nothing like getting an inside guy on our side ;)

No, but I did ask him to duel me. Regretfully, he said he would get in trouble if he got caught playing at work. hehe.

[Grisch]

Yes Abric, saying emotion was running high when I posted it, is like saying Grisch has a dress in his bank somewhere.

I'd just had about 3 intrusions on some spontaneous RP in a tavern with some new folks, and where normally I'd be able to handle it, it just got to me that when one asshat left, another would take his place.

All I'm saying is it doesn't seem like we're getting anywhere. I constantly have a ticket open, often for more than one person. I do this in the hopes of cleaning up the server, but at the moment it's seeming like it's in vain.

I've never reported the same person twice, and yet there is a never ending queue of tickets.

Blizzard needs to start banning people from RP servers period. Let them go to their normal servers, just get the message across that you play by the rules or stay the hell off the RP ones.

The only thing some people respond to is mind-numbing fear of loss. Not the little titilating, slightly exciting fear that the griefers seem to be after.

I'm actually still angry. I don't want to quit right now, I want to take the fight to them. But I want to have an effect. I want to see them post on the goblin boards complaining about being reported. I want it to be public knowledge that you watch your step on TN. I want blueberry cheesecake and a cup of freshly brewed blue mountain too.

[Castor]

I think Castor is a perfect example of this, I dont know how it happened but from what I understand he came here fully intending not to RP. Well uh...now he is, I'm sure that didnt happen by someone reporting him and getting him a warning (Not holding you in any bad light at all Castor, you're just a really good example for my point :))

It was wierd because I wanted to come here for a few reasons:

1) New server, Fresh start - I was burned out on my other server, wanted to play horde and figured starting on a new server where everyone is at the same point, level 1, would be fun. This server just happened to be released the week I was feeling this.

2) Couldn't stand the names on a PvP server. It was obnoxious. Even though my intentions were somewhat anti-rp, the pvp servers are extreemly immature (as you all know) especially when it comes to names. I wasn't some 1337 speaker or any of that either. I learned what little leetspeak and short hand from playing WoW and rarely used it. That stuff even annoyed me.

3) Figured I could have fun both playing the game and making fun of people. "Look at that dork! He thinks he's really an orc! Bwahahaha!" The funny thing is I didn't really hate roleplaying, just didn't see any fun (at the time) in roleplaying a video game. I mean, it's a video game for crying out loud! :wink:

I never was reported (to my knowledge) for anything I did that first week when 95% of my RP griefing on TN took place. My conscience took over after a few days and I toned my bashing down drastically. Looking back, I didn't say anything all that bad, but it was still against the rp rules. I like to have fun, and sometimes that involves making fun of people, but usually it's a reciprocal thing. When it's just me bashing them to be a prick then I need to take a closer look at myslef, and I did.

I will say that seeing the Crimson Hand (or something like that, forget their name :( ) during one of the first weeks of the server in the throne room in Lorderon (above the Undercity) was quite intrigueing. They had some kind of event going on. It was cool to see people actually taking an event like that seriously.

I think it's important to try to have a conversation with the person, but I can understand how, after trying to be nice to 20 people in a row and being blown off or insulted how you could just get frustrated and not want to give people much of a chance.

Unfortunatly my experience is probably more of the exception as opposed to the rule. Most of the "PvPers" are here to PvP, not RP, and surely not to engage in both.

Now go read my RP story :P
(shameless plug):
http://www.tn.yzeens.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=993

[Redburn]

I will say that seeing the Crimson Hand (or something like that, forget their name :( ) during one of the first weeks of the server in the throne room in Lorderon (above the Undercity) was quite intrigueing. They had some kind of event going on. It was cool to see people actually taking an event like that seriously.

That was actually The Crimson Watch's 1st initiation ceremony. It was quite fun when we got to the part were us new initiates had to sacrifice ourselves to"The Crimson Lord" and we jumped in the moat to commit suicide. There were lots of people who RPed along by trying to save us from ourselves. They kept healing us and yelling for help to get the poor misguided fools out of the moat. Lots of fun.

[Castor]

Doh! Crimson Watch. I haven't seen you guys in a while, are you still around? Then again, I have been spending 90% of my time in instances, so I don't see much of anyone. : /

[Tyrsza]

More info on rp related reports:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-customer-service&t=28867&p=1&tmp=1#post28867

[Rhowen-Prea]

As far as the guild thing goes...


Remember when RSA and Scorned showed up to the infamous Winter Tears Ball, and not only behaved themselves, but a.) came without weapons equipped and b.) RPed with each other...?


Remember how Pinnacle griefed the fuck out of it until we started reporting them, and they were like, "NEG NEG ALL IC!!1!!@1/1/#!@#k5ljryljhlj"

Yeah. I don't ask people to stop. I inform them they're in violation of the server policy. I recommend they change. When they tell me to go *ahem* myself, well, reported.

[Xeran]

As far as the guild thing goes...


Remember when RSA and Scorned showed up to the infamous Winter Tears Ball, and not only behaved themselves, but a.) came without weapons equipped and b.) RPed with each other...?


Remember how Pinnacle griefed the fuck out of it until we started reporting them, and they were like, "NEG NEG ALL IC!!1!!@1/1/#!@#k5ljryljhlj"

Yeah. I don't ask people to stop. I inform them they're in violation of the server policy. I recommend they change. When they tell me to go *ahem* myself, well, reported.

Aye. I remember that. I was one of the organizers. RPing with Scrorned and RSA was awesome. And watching Pinnacle try to RP their way out of their new "Server-wide Asshat" label was both funny and pathetic at the same time.

Basically:
1) Tell them they are in violation and hand them the bullets.
2) Watch them load the gun and hand it back to you.
3) Blast away.

Edyted fer teh spelligz0rz

[Grisch]

By the way, just found this: http://www.petitiononline.com/rpnow/petition.html. Think it's worth it?

[Xeran]

By the way, just found this: http://www.petitiononline.com/rpnow/petition.html. Think it's worth it?

Meh. Not really. First of all, I think the GMs DO get involved when they are aware there's a problem. The problem is: they can't be everywhere at once. There are too many names created on a server during the course of a day to check them all. There are too many chat channels and too many goings on.

I have been thinking of things we could be doing besides just reporting these idiots. I have an idea:

The Welcome Wagon:
Go to the starter areas a couple times a week and RP with the new people. This will:

- Show new RPs actual Role Play as soon as they log in.
- Show new Anti-RPs actual role play as soon as they log in (and let them head their desk in frustration until they reroll).
- Allow idiots the experience of their first GM report encounter within hours of logging on.

I'm also thinking of creating lowbie RP quests such as:
- Xeran lost a precious family sword. It is somewhere in the trogg mine (this for the human area). Anyone bringing his sword back will receive a gold. The "sword" will be one of the junk swords the troggs drop (or something else if they don't drop swords). Ideally, something rare so I'm not shelling out tons of cash.

- Xeran had a money bag which the troggs stole. Return his money bag and be repaid with a better one! (Turn in the six-slot bag some of the mobs drop once in a while and get a mageweave bag).

- Another idea is to have people stationed around Northshire. Have someone laying in the center of the Abby. They are severely wounded. The goal is to find out what happened to them. Various player-charaters around the abby will have clues. The players need to put the clues together to figure out who the attempted killer was and where they are hiding so the authorities can arrest them. Some kind of reward will be involved.

[Grisch]

Xeran that is a bloody awesome idea. I'd love to see this take off. In fact I'm going to bring this up at the next NC meeting. You are my hero for this month.

Favourite quote of the week:

- Allow idiots the experience of their first GM report encounter within hours of logging on.

[Xeran]

Xeran that is a bloody awesome idea. I'd love to see this take off. In fact I'm going to bring this up at the next NC meeting. You are my hero for this month.

Favourite quote of the week:

- Allow idiots the experience of their first GM report encounter within hours of logging on.

Haha ... /blush

Glad you like it! I need to think through some more details about how the quests will work - something to keep it fair and so no one feels burned. I also don't like the idea of giving away stuff to those who just find something. I'll want them to RP it out.

Any volunteers for the murder mystery players? C'mon Alliance! Queue TNG!!!!!!

[Lupa]

D'OH! Grisch beat me to it!

I was thinking along the same lines. I was going to see about a Story Circle for The Den. Where we could sit around and invite the newbies to tell us their tale. We could then discuss the merits of the story and award $$ accordingly. Obviously those who make an effort at RP will get more cash, while those who just annoy us will get nada..

[Xeran]

One thing I think all lowbies need are bags. I know Horde-side, I race around Mulgore on my 20-something hunter and take out Kodo herds. They drop thin kodo hides. I then take the hides along with the light leather I get from skinning and make kodo hide bags. If you were so inclined, you could go on some hunting expeditions to make a bunch of bags for lowbie rewards.

[Xeran]

D'OH! Grisch beat me to it!

I was thinking along the same lines. I was going to see about a Story Circle for The Den. Where we could sit around and invite the newbies to tell us their tale. We could then discuss the merits of the story and award $$ accordingly. Obviously those who make an effort at RP will get more cash, while those who just annoy us will get nada..

Hmm ... the only problem is only the die-hard RPs would really have a tale before hitting create character. You may not get many responses.

I'm trying to think up events that don't really put people on the spot, but where if they even minimally act RPish, they can get some nice things lowbies would like (some money, bags, trade mats, xp, etc). That's also why I'm thinking of not doing the turn-in quests I mention above in favor of event / story type things.

- The lowbies won't have to make up a story, we'll make it up.

- They don't have to have a backstory or info for their character yet, as long as the RP in /s and /y, they're good to go.

- No one needs to participate that doesn't want to. If they are just trying to fly on to level 5 to get to their first town with an inn, that's cool. But to get anything out of the "quest," they have to participate in character.

One thing I'm trying very hard to steer away from is the intimidation factor. The thing that kept me from creating a character on an RP server before TN was the fact I didn't know much about RP. I almost never have a story in mind when I create a character. Usually my character creation is as simple as "OoOoo! Paladin! Neato!!" *enter non-stupid name* *create* I don't want non-RPs or new-to-RPs showing up and as soon as they log in being confronted by a level 60 asking them for their character's life story. I would like them to see RP happening and to get an idea of what TN is about. If they decide RP isn't their thing, that's cool. They didn't waste a lot of time on the character, so rerolling is easy. If they love RP, they will be encouraged to stay. If they don't know anything about RP, they can participate or just watch and get a feel for it. They should be gently prodded if they are trying but slip up (or destroyed outright if they are truely asshats).

[Kurohane]

The Welcome Wagon:
Go to the starter areas a couple times a week and RP with the new people. This will:

- Show new RPs actual Role Play as soon as they log in.
- Show new Anti-RPs actual role play as soon as they log in (and let them head their desk in frustration until they reroll).

Xelthan and I actually did that quite unintentionally the other day. Teldrassil had been pinging, we were headed to Darn to turn in a quest anyway, so we decided to go check it out. We never found the mounted horde that was mentioned once (and then our inquiries were ignored *sigh*), but in Aldrassil, we came across a teen-lvled orc corpse, by the look of the armor, about three steps away from where you load into the world for the very first time as a Nelf.

Bored from the rather ho-hum hunt, we randomly started RPing about the corpse. "You've got to be kidding me, THIS is what the alarm was all about?" etc, etc, etc. I think we rather bewildered the new Nelfs that were being created, but it was awesome. We actually had a small audience before we finally left to continue questing.

[Lupa]

Hmm ... the only problem is only the die-hard RPs would really have a tale before hitting create character. You may not get many responses.

I'm trying to think up events that don't really put people on the spot, but where if they even minimally act RPish, they can get some nice things lowbies would like (some money, bags, trade mats, xp, etc).

Hmm. Some good points there Xeran. I never thought of it that way.

Bags definitely are a godsend for a lowbie. Lupa had the most amazing streak of bad luck on early bag drops of any character I have ever played. I had to buy my 1st extra bag in Sen'Jin Village at lvl 8 since I had none drop for me by then. The next bag was a gift from someone. I didn't get a bag drop for me until lvl 18 in the Barrens!

Come to think of it, that has been the norm for Lupa ever since. Part of why I like the character so much, she was/still is WoW on hard mode.

My rogue is a leatherworker, I can whip up some bags for the Welcome Wagon packages... (Horde side of course)

[Syreena]

I was in the Tauren starting area last night, and saw new characters with the following names:

Filetofish
Chknuggets
Pancakes
Mcflurries

They were all together and one was a party leader, so it looks like it was a group act of asshattery.

And I also saw a hunter pet named ROFLCOPTER.

[Chingaso]

Chingaso never understand asshat kiddies and why they roll on RP server.

((Speaking of, is there a way to turn off "1.General?" And that whole [Krohl Blade] thing on "2.Trade" really pissed me.))

[Grisch]

I was in the Tauren starting area last night, and saw new characters with the following names:

Filetofish
Chknuggets
Pancakes
Mcflurries

They were all together and one was a party leader, so it looks like it was a group act of asshattery.

And I also saw a hunter pet named ROFLCOPTER.

Now see, that's an example of people that shouldn't just get a warning and be asked to change their name. These guys should get a swift kick in the jack, straight off the server and never be allowed to come back, period.

They're obviously trying really hard to get attention. It annoys me no end that people like this hide behind human civility while having none of it themselves.

[Danyxandra]

So the crap is happening both sides, alliance and horde. *sighs* It's back to spending half the days reporting until people get the idea they aren't going to get away with it.

I don't report each individually, I'd be driving the GM nuts with constant reports. I used to make a list and send the name violations in a batch report.

Gonna start it again over with the alliance character I'm playing now.

*readies her notepade to start a crackdown*

[Xeran]

Chingaso never understand asshat kiddies and why they roll on RP server.

((Speaking of, is there a way to turn off "1.General?" And that whole [Krohl Blade] thing on "2.Trade" really pissed me.))

((You can type /leave 1 and you'll leave the general channel. Typically, I won't leave the channels, I will go into the chat menu and deselect it. Deselecting the channel doesn't leave the channel, it mutes it. The benefit of muting is that if you have your channels color-coded like I do, muting won't screw up the color:channel index while leaving (or rejoining) a channel will.))

[Xeran]

It's not just us on TN. Last night I created a new hunter on Thorium Brotherhood (Normal RP server) while TN went down. I was there for 5 minutes before I noticed "Allbeefpatty" lying in the tent where the hunter trainer is. *sigh*

If I could make a device that punched people through the Internet I'd make a bazillion dollars. (And everyone on TNG would get a free one.)

[Tillna]

*Loves Xeren*
The Cult of Kerahl just abuses no RPers...
good idea with the waiting for them and hten saying hello..
when I joined, it wasn't until I go into Keepers of Legend that I got any where..shame it died...
Now I start RP all the time in SW

[Gloomberry]

If anyone Horde-side sees a player named Palyuisgay, corpse-camp the fucking muppet to eternity, please. The fuckwit was abusing me for walking and rp'ing. I've reported the name and behaviour, but of course, no response from a GM. Fucking muppets. No, I won't call them muppets, muppets are too good for them (sorry Henson Co.). "Fucknuckle" will do.

God i'd love to meet one of these people irl, I'd go Wolverine on their arses ...

[Grisch]

Do a /who and see if his name is still the same, in fact just add him to friends and see if he comes up again. If so, I suggest putting in a ticket when you start playing and wait untill a real live GM contacts you. Then find out why the hell that name is obviously considdered an acceptable RP name.

I'd be most interested in the outcome.

My faith in the GMs and the report method is also starting to wane. I see little action taken against obvious names I've reported. They need to actually do what Ragnarok Online used to do and have a website where accounts who had had disciplinary action taken against them were listed so that people could see that something was actually being done.

[Gloomberry]

Well, I've reported Ramrooter for the nth time. Ramrooter. Of the Aussie Crusaders guild. Ramrooter is a lvl 60 Priest. Yep, lvl 60. Despite several complaints against Ramrooter, I still see the same character in-game.

For anyone who doesn't know, "root" has a different meaning in Australia. It pretty much means "to fuck", in a sexual way mostly. I don't want to know what Ramrooter gets up to offline with furry animals, but I'm sick to fucking death of seeing him/her online on a RP server and my complaints go unanswered.

Forcing this fucknuckle to change his/her name isn't enough, delete the character and ban the fool from TN.

[Fhenrir]

Screenshotted conversation (plus nifty little walkthrough). (http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=420230)
^--What happened here was basically Alliance running through Org, random shaman level 40-ish doesn't attack, EnheilRas goes all Hordish on him, then... well, you'll see if you click!

[Vilmah]

They were talking about a guild in UC yesterday called like, No Snitching. It was an anti-reporting guild.

WHY ARE YOU ROLLING ON AN RP SERVER?!?!?!?!? ARGGG!!!! *head explodes*