So, What DID Happen last Night in AQ? [Archive]

Lupa

04-04-2006, 06:40 AM

OK, so there I was waiting politely and discreetly along with many other Horde, including my old Citadel friends. We were on a slab of obsidian just east of the grounds in front of the Ahn' Qiraj gates. In front of us was chaos.

I'm not going to jump right out pointing fingers and calling people asshats, but the official forums are rampant with so much conflicting and confusing info that its hard to sort out just what went wrong.

This is what I know (or at least think I know..based on what I have read and heard in game last night);

- Echelon decided to raid the event, in part as some sort of retaliation to a supposed broken deal with RSA involving the dragon aspects and Erikanus..(not sure the details)

- Bateman was ganked over and over and couldnt get to ring the gong..

- The gong could not be rung in any case as there appeared to be a glitch with the whole countdown sequence (?). (apparently a ticket is in on this..)

- The next attempt will most likely be done in secrecy..

To be honest, I hardly blame them if they don't advertise the next attempt. Last night for a time I was actually embarassed to be Horde. Inter guild disputes aside, this was an event that had server-wide implications and in my opinion the actions undertaken by some to disrupt those proceedings were nothing more than completely self induglent. It was a huge "dig me" moment for those gankers who are now patting themselves on the back for a job well done. Congratulations! you just made your guild reputation take a drastic nosedive..

Many of us were there to offer support to Bateman, if for no other reason than all the hard work and efforts by so many to get to this point deserved an appreciative audience. I am truly sorry that it would appear now that your big moment will be forced to be held in secrecy and under cover of darkness..

Pity.. but I understand.

Maybe others have some more information and insight into these events. As I said, what I know is pretty sketchy.

Fhenrir

04-04-2006, 07:06 AM

I'm curious too. I went to the forums, and every single post was about the same thing. Yet somehow, I still don't know what happened.

Celuna

04-04-2006, 07:33 AM

I think Lupa summed it up pretty well, at least from what I understand.

Fallacy

04-04-2006, 07:34 AM

Not sure about the inability to ring the gong, but Echelon, for sure, was there, killing any Alliance they could get their hands on. A few other guilds (there were so many, it was hard to tell) may have done the same. I can tell you, I expected nothing less from them.

Grisch

04-04-2006, 08:58 AM

I hate to be negative, but none of this surprises me. This server seems to have some of the worst teamwork, griefers and generally selfish people out.

For some reason the pervading belief here is that PvP is about being the biggest jerk in game possible.

We were almost completely last, if not THE last server to complete the war effort. The absolutely incredible number of gankers, griefers and forum trolls on this server seem to be far more than anywhere else.

Personally, it's only a small group of very, very cool people, and the amount of time and effort invested into my character that keeps me here, or I would have been trying out the waters elsewhere.

Longcat

04-04-2006, 10:01 AM

Xeran

04-04-2006, 10:39 AM

I'm not suprised that we were one of the last servers to open the gate. All the servers who opened it up first actually united with people sending loads and loads of items cross faction to get all the supplies in faster instead of everyone just turning things whenever they wanted.

QFT. On Bloodscalp (a PVP server) we had a cross-faction truce in Silithus. Violators of the truce were known and corpse-camped mercilessly until they left. It was not uncommon for people on one side to share their Ventrilo info with members of the other faction to coordinate cross-faction trading of mats via the Gad AH. (20 copper bars sold for a copper, etc). We were not the first server to have the gates open, but they have been opened for weeks (maybe even a month) now. I can't tell you how surprised I was on returning to my characters on TN that the gates were not yet opened and it was the Horde, not the Alliance, that was gumming up the works.

And I agree with your assesment of PVP, Grisch. PVP to my mind means we CAN fight the other faction, not that we necessarily HAVE TO. It also means we can end up in surprise fights, etc. Unfortunately, PVP here means be the biggest asshat you can be to try to ruin someone else's game play. The thing that REALLY cracks me up is the number of idiots that claim to be trying to drive the other faction off the server. Like that's a good thing? A PVP server without the opposite faction is not a PVP server, it is a single-faction PVE server. And it's boring as hell. They are the real "carebears." I'm not saying Horde should help Alliance or not attack on sight, I'm saying there's a time to leave the other guy alone so they can level and enjoy the game. Balanced teams = exciting PVP and some good games.

At any rate, I was not privy to what was going on with the AQ events, but it doesn't surprise me that a bunch of asshats tried (and apparently succeeded) to ruin it.

NorthFace

04-04-2006, 10:43 AM

As far as the Echelon agreement goes, RSA did make an agreement to not kill the emerald dragons or attempt to wipe them for 1 month, assuming they provided assistance killing Eranikus in Moonglade. We gave them the first week, and when they did not show up to kill Eranikus (they were online, but elsewhere), we viewed that as breaking the agreement.

As for the rest of it... judging from when we knew the war effort completed, and other known information regarding the delay, we calculated yesterday as the day the gates could be opened. Thus, the plans were made, people took days off work, etc. After downing Nefarian at around 6:00 server time or so, we took a look at the horde population in Silithus, and started gathering info. We knew Echelon, Honorless, Novus, and Vendetta were there ganking, along with god knows how many other horde, and since those guilds have repeatedly proven themselves to be asshats, we figured that attitude wasn't going to fail. Needless to say, it didn't.

So we gathered with Aeon in Gadgetzan, rode to Un'Goro, and then up into Silithus where we were met by them. Queue server crash #1.

Once it came back up, half the raid had been rolled back, and were in Un'Goro. Some were still in silithus. So we decided to ride down the eastern edge of the bowl.. that was successful, gathered at one camp, wiped like 10 horde. Then we moved down to bronzebeard's encampment, and with Echelon on our tails, started heading toward the Gong. That's when the other 50-60 horde loaded on our screens, and everything came to a halt. I think bateman made it halfway up the ramp to the gong before... queue server crash #2.

People started loading back in, I was somehow dead, I think bateman was also... and still tons of people swarming the area. For the next hour or so, there were server crashes #3 and 4, along with people attempting to MC/kill Bateman. Once he finally got to the gong and attempted to ring it, there was some form of error that we understood was confirmation that the war effort was, in fact, 3 days from completion as the war effort NPCs in Ironforge were saying. So we just hearthed out.

Needless to say, the next attempt will most likely be in secret, and also likely at something like 3-4 in the morning. Nothing has been decided, but if anything was learned last night, it's that unfortunately, the majority of this server will miss out on this one-time event.

Abric

04-04-2006, 10:48 AM

Ouch... maybe my joke about ganking Bateman wasn't the best one, eh? I wasn't there, and the Grim didn't schedule anything because you Alliance loving Horde members are all fools, mwhahahahaha*cough* (and we weren't going to delay/hinder/stop this event due to lag, enjoyment factor, and people just wanting this to be *done* already.)

While personally, I would prefer to know the times... you just can't do that. You can't please everybody, either. When you start to try to make everybody happy - you make nobody happy.

Do what you got to do, tell who you have to say; but remember not to throw it in anybodies face and cause more strife. In three or four months, this will be just another chapter of "he said/she said", which most guilds involved don't mind at all.

AbricOOC
~DOOM!

Xeran

04-04-2006, 10:59 AM

Well, I guess it's better that the event "failed" because it wouldn't have worked anyway (still 3 days out) rather than have it fail because of a bunch of grievers.

I would hate to have many people miss out on the event, on the other hand, many people would like to see the doors opened. A 3-4 AM opening may be the ticket. Perhaps also with a limited "guest list." Get your team to Silithus and get ready to ring the gong. Then announce to the guest list to get their asses there post haste. Give them, say 15 - 30 minutes to get there. Any attempt at causing trouble, any Echelon asshats start landing in the outpost or if there's any problems whatsoever, the gong ringer immediately rings the gong and the event proceeds regardless of who is there or not. I would keep watchers at the main base and the entrance from Ungoro to keep track of who is coming and going from the zone. Guests have 30 minutes or until trouble starts to get there.

That's my 2 copper.

Rhowen-Prea

04-04-2006, 11:04 AM

Yeah. This sucks.

Soraxis

04-04-2006, 11:16 AM

Seriously, don't post on the public forums about the event...you know its going to happen again so just dont tell people when you want to do it. I think it would be cool if you told the guys here on the TNG when you plan on opening it because I really would like to see the event...but I'd understand if you dont wanna do that either (BTW I was there at the gates ganking alliance too! Except I couldn't handle the flying gnome groin in the face that was wildcaster (we were boxing))

Rhowen-Prea

04-04-2006, 11:20 AM

I broke and made an obligatory ill-worded post on the main WoW forum. ;_; I am less of a person.

Lupa

04-04-2006, 12:42 PM

Thank you Northface for that synopsis. It clears the air greatly.

I can safely say that Citadel would most likely be able to send a contingent given enough prior head up, without drama..

www.citadel.seekret.info

Alucian

04-04-2006, 12:42 PM

I skipped Icecrown's gate opening (first server it opened on that didn't ultimately crash the server), and I'll be missing this one too. I knew it would turn into a gankfest.

What I love the absolute most is people using RP reasons to justify ganking. You are ruining things for the ENTIRE SERVER. You are NOT that important.

Pistos

04-04-2006, 01:05 PM

Heh, I talked to a few RSA members, and I told them this was going to happen. This server, like the rest of you said, will never have teamwork and too many immature people who like to ruin things.

AQ will open, over time... but it'll be a long time until horde and alliance work together and I can tell you on the hordes end, it will not happen. Sorry to sound harsh towards you Horde players, but I'm sure you understand my meaning seeing how it already happened.

I have a question though, can another guild get all the supplies to open AQ like RSA? Maybe Echelon doesn't want RSA to open it and will gank them with half the other horde until Echelon gets the supplies and opens it first. Popularity test if you ask me. :wink: That is... if its possible for another guild to get the supplies to open the gate.

Alucian

04-04-2006, 01:16 PM

It requires a very heavy raiding guild to put the sceptre together. It takes defeating world dragons as well as the Moonglade dragon and several difficult encounters in Blackwing Lair.

Echelon's just being assholes.

EnheilRas

04-04-2006, 01:19 PM

In their Defense, The B Team was only fighting around Cenarion Hold. Gaya informed me that even they had a truce agreement at the Gates.

Me? I have no truce agreement. I will delay those Gates opening the best I can because the Evil of the Old God Must be contained!

However, when I did just watch the chaos and bloodshed, I finally understood the reason for it. It was just months of angst and frustrated leaked out by these PvPers for their queue times. The Gates were a lure, you see. Dozens of 60's Alliance came in Throngs, and few would fight back. It was supper time, and them turkeys were stuffed with Honor. Who needed a battleground really? I left two AV queues, 1 WSG queue, and 1 AB queue just to stay and fight.

I must have killed Bateman 4 times.

Grisch

04-04-2006, 01:21 PM

What I love the absolute most is people using RP reasons to justify ganking. You are ruining things for the ENTIRE SERVER. You are NOT that important.

I'll add my vote to this. RP simply does not justify being an ass. If your roleplaying is ruining the game for the others, you're just another griefer, RP or not.

Soraxis

04-04-2006, 02:34 PM

I have a question though, can another guild get all the supplies to open AQ like RSA? Maybe Echelon doesn't want RSA to open it and will gank them with half the other horde until Echelon gets the supplies and opens it first. Popularity test if you ask me. :wink: That is... if its possible for another guild to get the supplies to open the gate.

Eranikus is a once in a server event, wont happen again. If RSA doesnt open the gates though they will be automatically opened soon anyway

Karkarov

04-04-2006, 03:32 PM

Personally it is pathetic if we go to an automatic opening. Second... your lucky I dont have the power to strike the gong. If I did I would say nothing, log on at like 1am on a random night, ride to sithilus with absolutely no fanfare or announcement and ring it. If no one other than me got to "enjoy" it? Too bad. Getting them open is what matters, not who does it, or who gets to see it.

Lupa

04-04-2006, 05:12 PM

Personally it is pathetic if we go to an automatic opening. Second... your lucky I dont have the power to strike the gong. If I did I would say nothing, log on at like 1am on a random night, ride to sithilus with absolutely no fanfare or announcement and ring it.

Well Karkarov my friend, that is most likely Bateman's plan at this point..

EnheilRas

04-04-2006, 05:23 PM

Eranikus is a once in a server event, wont happen again. If RSA doesnt open the gates though they will be automatically opened soon anyway

Blizzard has said that the Scepter Quest may still be completed after the Gates have Opened.

Soraxis

04-04-2006, 05:31 PM

Then they have changed it since I have read that

Pythre-Co

04-04-2006, 05:59 PM

I don't think AQ should be opened for at least another couple months. Many dunderheads on this server need to suffer. *hugs everyone else*

Longcat

04-04-2006, 06:04 PM

It'll automaticly open in a few months anywho. Which will not be much of an achivement regardless if you're for or against it in RP or PvE. All it takes is time, farming, and cooperation.

Well, I'll still sit back and profit from it until people finally finish turning in items if that gives anyone any modivation ;)

NorthFace

04-05-2006, 10:04 AM

To my knowledge the scepter quest does not auto-complete, nor do the gates auto-open. Only the war-effort portion of the quest will auto-complete.

As for the requirements to build the scepter, I have no doubt that Novus (the horde's #1 PVE guild) would be able to construct it given another month or two. They will not have the time to do so.

The requirements in summary:

A) Kill broodlord lashlayer, provide head to designated person.
B) Farm 40,000 silithud carapaces in silithus to achieve neutral faction status with Brood of Norzdomu
C) Begin quest line to recover the shards:
1) One shard is held by Eranikus, which requires an entire sub quest involving killing trash mobs around the 4 emerald dream portals, a sunken temple clear, and a massive event in moonglade
2) One shard is held by azuregos, who has given it to a shark (maws) that can only be summoned with a special buoy. The buoy can only be constructed by a gnome who wants a few choice items, and requires an MC clear, a BWL clear up to the labratory area, a kazzak kill, and a few other kills.
3) One shard is held by Nefarian, and requires a 5-hour BWL clear from the start of the Vaelstrasz fight to slaying Nefarian. An item to note: Nef requires 15 minutes minimum between respawns if you wipe.
4) Unclear on this one, but I believe the last shard is held by Dr. Weevil, a raid boss on an island off theramore.

Whatever the case... it seems the war effort portion is bugged on our server, stuck at 3 days until all the supplies arrive. This is believed to be the result of some kind of server reset. Here's hoping they fix it.

Pistos

04-05-2006, 12:13 PM

Northface is it possible for a few of your members or someone to fraps this event. I would like to see it and watch. These things only happen once a server. :D

EnheilRas

04-05-2006, 01:55 PM

A) Kill broodlord lashlayer, provide head to designated person.

Htrik of <Novus> (Formerly of <Typhoon>) has the Head turned in. He's also a Warlock, oddly enough.

B) Farm 40,000 silithud carapaces in silithus to achieve neutral faction status with Brood of Norzdomu

Can be done in two days quite easily if <Novus> enlists other guilds to help them. It only took so long because RSA wouldn't put in a lot more effort than they did to help Bateman. I know it can be done in two days because I was on Silver-Hand when they did it.

C) Begin quest line to recover the shards:
1) One shard is held by Eranikus, which requires an entire sub quest involving killing trash mobs around the 4 emerald dream portals, a sunken temple clear, and a massive event in moonglade

WHich can be done over.

2) One shard is held by azuregos, who has given it to a shark (maws) that can only be summoned with a special buoy. The buoy can only be constructed by a gnome who wants a few choice items, and requires an MC clear, a BWL clear up to the labratory area, a kazzak kill, and a few other kills.

And he's on the infamous "GM Isle"

3) One shard is held by Nefarian, and requires a 5-hour BWL clear from the start of the Vaelstrasz fight to slaying Nefarian. An item to note: Nef requires 15 minutes minimum between respawns if you wipe.

That's really the only thing blocking the Horde. Although we *do* have two guilds at him right now. From what I hear, there haven't been "serious" attempts on him, although that can be taken with a grain of salt, I do see both guilds in question (Echelon and Novus) doing a lot more gearing up lately.

4) Unclear on this one, but I believe the last shard is held by Dr. Weevil, a raid boss on an island off theramore.

Alcaz Island, where King Varian Wrynn was.

Whatever the case... it seems the war effort portion is bugged on our server, stuck at 3 days until all the supplies arrive. This is believed to be the result of some kind of server reset. Here's hoping they fix it.

Peons don't work during the Weekends.

Pistos

04-05-2006, 03:15 PM

3) One shard is held by Nefarian, and requires a 5-hour BWL clear from the start of the Vaelstrasz fight to slaying Nefarian. An item to note: Nef requires 15 minutes minimum between respawns if you wipe.

That's really the only thing blocking the Horde. Although we *do* have two guilds at him right now. From what I hear, there haven't been "serious" attempts on him, although that can be taken with a grain of salt, I do see both guilds in question (Echelon and Novus) doing a lot more gearing up lately.

LMAO I love what you said. Horde attempts to kill him, but there aren't any "serious" attempts on him. I had a good laugh from that.

So basicly they can't kill Nef because they still need to get geared up from the sounds of it. Well keep at it, maybe get a little more "serious" and stop sniffing at each others butts like us cats do, well dogs do it too. :lol:

It would be nice if we could just open the gates then everyone is welcome to kill each other.

NorthFace

04-05-2006, 04:37 PM

As I said, EnheiLRas, I never indicated the horde couldn't complete it. I believe it would take them 1-2 months to do so. There is a large difference between being "on" nefarian, and being able to clear BWL, including Nefarian, in 5 hours, due to the randomness of the encounters therein. We failed on our first try, and got lucky on the 2nd with a green/bronze combo.

Also, I'm not sure if this is still the case, but if you wipe on Nefarian @ stage 3, he doesn't reset for 12 hours. This is what happened to us on our first attempt (but we were likely already past the 5 hour requirement).

The only real time consuming/challenge portions of the quests are the Eranikus event, the 5-hr BWL, and getting the green shards off the trash mobs and the Twilight Corruptor (Forgot to mention him. Nasty mob in Duskwood).

As far as Bateman not getting the help he needed for the carapaces, that's utter tripe. We had a guild farming session one night, along with the guild offering DKP bonuses for turning in stacks of 100 carapaces. The majority of the carapaces were turned by guild members. There was simply no rush, because we hadn't even taken down Nefarian yet. The timing behind it couldn't have been faster unless it was on an older server by a guild w/Nef on farm status.

EnheilRas

04-06-2006, 02:55 PM

LMAO I love what you said. Horde attempts to kill him, but there aren't any "serious" attempts on him. I had a good laugh from that.

Only tellin' what I heard. I put it in quotations for that very reason.

I do so loathe second-hand information.

Scarecrow

04-07-2006, 09:18 AM

Daedraug

04-07-2006, 09:39 AM

I'll stick up for Northface before he has to stick up for himself. RSA or no, he's done as much as everyone to support rp here. Just because he's addicted to the phat lewtz - in adition to enjoying the rp aspect of the game - doesn't mean he's an ass, so be careful when throwing around terms like "always," especially when you're dealing with a well-liked, well-respected one of our own.

I understand your opinion on RSA, but look around before you start throwing barbs. You probably didn't mean to direct that at anyone on an rp-specific site, but I imagine he's got friends you're talking about in addition to himself.

Darkblade

04-07-2006, 02:24 PM

RSA members are always asses. They are admitted RP griefers. Roleplaying reason or not, I am glad someone attacked them.

In their defense, RSA used to be that way. From what I've seen, since they "switched" to PVE, they've been doing their own thing, and not bothering anyone else.

Soraxis

04-07-2006, 02:43 PM

I've heard that members of RSA have stopped griefing events and are actually participating in some, RPing with certain people and that Wipeout has a proper backstory for his name and all...of course Im hordie so what do I know eh?

Karkarov

04-07-2006, 03:42 PM

Lets try not to bash any guild here, this isnt the flame threads or the blizzard forums ;p.

Suffice it to say right now we should be capable of raiding those stinking bugs, but we cant. Hopefully the bug will be addressed soon with the weekly update maybe and bateman will do his thing.

Kurohane

04-07-2006, 05:48 PM

I would put in my two cents, but for the most part it's already been said.

I'll add this one bit, though: Northface is one of the best RPers I've had the pleasure of meeting. Beyond that, his guildmates have even started being nice as of late. :P

Fallacy

04-07-2006, 10:04 PM

North, could you please tell the rest of the Alliance not to kill me again? I'm just trying to watch.

Kurohane

04-07-2006, 10:12 PM

I was talking to him while it was all going on - RSA was basically having a red=dead policy. It was nothing personal, but after what happened monday...? I can't blame them. If the roles were reversed? I'd not blame whichever horde guild was killing all the alliance either.

NorthFace

04-07-2006, 11:41 PM

I tried Fallacy... but there were Aeon, pinnacle, and other non-guilded alliance there as well. Wasn't gonna be able to do much. Plus, in the chaos and lag, I think I even got a moonfire off on ya. Sorry! Not sure if you saw me apologize through the lag... but hope you saw everything. = )

BTW... to everyone else, it really wasn't all that spectacular. Just a large number of huge mobs spawn on top of everyone and start killing people.

EnheilRas

04-07-2006, 11:52 PM

they are. in fact, still doing it.

The real battle isn't even in Silithus:

It's in Tanaris, Feralas, Un'goro, the Shimmering Flats, and yes, THE BARRENS

Fallacy

04-08-2006, 12:19 AM

I saw it, and I thank you for it. I don't blame you, and I figured out that that was the case.

After spending some time watching everyone die around me, a couple of us from Decimate made a run for the Ruins entrance. Since there was only five of us, we didn't get very far. Then, I went around the continent, scouting out the crystals that had appeared across the continent.

Huzzah for Brood of Nozdormu rep! Only 35000 left to go until Unfriendly!

EnheilRas

04-08-2006, 12:26 AM

We're rootin' for Fallacy to hit Exalted and make a huge RP story about it

Fallacy

04-08-2006, 12:44 AM

I'd think I'd retire him, then. He'd accomplish what he thinks is his purpose. Of course, you never know what I might have up my sleeves for him in the future. I'm planning on making someone from his past make a special appearance once the expansion comes out.

Abric

04-08-2006, 05:48 AM

Good number of Grim were having a bit of fun in Feralas, in Camp M... until a choice number of hunters decided to show up and snag some of our kills; then try to use us to kill their "stolen" monster... and run it around our healers so they picked up the aggro to force us to attack it or watch our healers die.

Wish I could of got some of their names, grrrr.

We had a bit of late night fun in AQ20. How many others brought a level 50 shaman with them? Huh? HUH!? He solo'ed the bug trio's. Nerf Grolish.

AbricOOC
~Didn't really solo anything; but he did whack a few things <cough> cleanse some poison.