My suggestions for priests.

[Ephram]

I value all of your feedback, let me know what you think and /sign it if you agree.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=70708271&sid=1

[Kallindra]

Post something for a bump. I'd love to see any of it implemented.

I believe back in the original beta that Priests had sleep. It was deemed to overpowered and taken away though. :(

I know you and Eva tend to stick together, which is going to be one of your biggest strengths.

I used to PvP with some old guildmates with my 60 priest. I found that sticking either a rogue or druid with me was normally my best defense. As long as you can heal yourself while your buddies are killing them, you'll be fine.

[Shadowspeak]

Back from the coldness that is Colorado.

Posting now!

[Ephram]

Thanks for reading, if you like the ideas bump the post.

[Skafloc]

Zounds!! Blasted work firewall blocking most gaming sites... can't read the thread.

I'm not sure what the gist is, I'll have to check it out tonight.

One thing I can tell you, I found with my priest the biggest asset in the early levels is patience. It gets better, much much better.. If you are going the shadow route especially, you will find Shadowform your ambrosia, just don't make the mistake of staying in it too long, especially during a PvP fight.

A good wand is a must.

Healing wasn't really a problem I found until after lvl 55. I resolved that with a respecc to a Disc/Holy build that retained a decent PvP capability but increased my healing effectiveness substantially. But depending on your playstyle you may want to stick with Shadow or consider a Holy specc (i.e. are you going to solo or small team it mostly with some PvP, or go raiding..)

With Evanthe at your side, and the addition of a warrior or a good paladin/druid you have a Holy Trinity against most difficult situations.

Not being able to read your thread sucks, all what I wrote might be totally irrelevant. But I see Shadowspeak is posting so thats a "good thing" as Martha says.. I picked his brain often in the past and he knows what he's doing, thats for certain.

[Shadowspeak]

Mine didn't post for some reason... oh well.

[Kallindra]

Ephram's post was essentially talking about how simplistic a Priest's CC/defensive abilities and the like are in PvP. Having played a Priest for over 2 years on one server or another, he is really expounding on known gripes, but I like what he posted, so I bumped it for people.

He made alot of comparisons with abilities that mages get, and it really is well thought out. I didn't want to repost his very detailed post again, but his list of Priest defensive abilities was detailed:

1. Inner Fire- Note no additional effects like mage or Ice Armor
2. Psychic scream- Pretty much the only real way to stop incoming damage. Similar in over all function as Frost Nova yet no ability to reset cooldown (ie. Cold Snap) in case of resists, racials, or trinkets.
3. Power Word: Shield- Lack of scaling results in shorter and shorter durations. Combined with a priests lack of speed makes this ability mediocre in defense.
4. Dispel- No complaints here.
5. Pain supression.
6. Mind Flay- Yes it slows the target by 50% but you could also say it slows the priest by 100%.
7. Shadowform?- More of a stance than an actual move as it cuts out all of your holy.
8. Silence-Must spend more points to get it than a mages imp. Counterspell and is still affected by Global Cool Down.

+ Healing.

There are several more silly talents that are supposedly to help our PvP survival in both Discipline and Holy, but they are comical most of the time.

As I stated, typically a Priest's best defensive is to have a good team around them, even in World PvP. Also, expect to die. :)

[Shadowspeak]

I know what he said, I just can't seem to post myself.

[Ephram]

Here's another priest suggestion I made. Review and critique if you like.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=70909093&postId=707827616&sid=1#0

[Kallindra]

I was reposting for Skafloc!

[Shadowspeak]

My suggestion for priests: AoE Shadow spell shaped like a cone of cold. Deals X amount of dammage and heals for .5 points of health for each point of dammage dealt by the spell.

[Skafloc]

Yes.. thanks Kayllia.

I dunno.. I never really had any issues on defence, especially after lvl 40. Yes Mind Flay kinda commits you to one spot, but that slow down of your opponent also buys you time for a Psychic Scream recharge.

I invariably won more often than I lost as a Shadow Priest, shaman giving me the most headaches (purge.. arrggg!!). The 5/5 in blackout meant a stun procc'd almost every fight. A decent Mind Blast could be delivered in that time.. or a drop shadowform and renew.

Vampiric Embrace delivered a steady return on health for shadow damage delivered.. Imp Inner Fire + Imp Shield and Imp Fort gave me good survivability. I was taking out foes 3-4 levels my senior.

Of course, far be it for me to turn my nose up on any suggestions on improving defensive capabilities..

EDIT: Just read Shadow's comment.. Agree wholeheartedly. If there IS one area lacking.. its AoE..

[Kallindra]

See, that's what gets me the most about Priest. If you go to just about any other class, they can get improved versions of their defensive or CC abilities with talents, but it always seems that Priests are forced to spec into certain abilities just to get better survivability. I've had these debates far too often in one of my old raiding guilds. It's a very delicate road to try and buff us in some ways (which I'd love to see us get) because if you don't do it right then you overpower us and can throw off both PvP and PvE, which they don't want to do.

Solution: Give us sleep again!

[Ephram]

Yes.. thanks Kayllia.

I dunno.. I never really had any issues on defence, especially after lvl 40. Yes Mind Flay kinda commits you to one spot, but that slow down of your opponent also buys you time for a Psychic Scream recharge.

I invariably won more often than I lost as a Shadow Priest, shaman giving me the most headaches (purge.. arrggg!!). The 5/5 in blackout meant a stun procc'd almost every fight. A decent Mind Blast could be delivered in that time.. or a drop shadowform and renew.

Vampiric Embrace delivered a steady return on health for shadow damage delivered.. Imp Inner Fire + Imp Shield and Imp Fort gave me good survivability. I was taking out foes 3-4 levels my senior.

Of course, far be it for me to turn my nose up on any suggestions on improving defensive capabilities..

EDIT: Just read Shadow's comment.. Agree wholeheartedly. If there IS one area lacking.. its AoE..

Oh, my problem isn't really defense. I tend to die about every other BG I do. But most of that is positioning and knowing where to stand when. I guess my problem with the priest so far is lack of options. I can pretty much just PW:S or Psychic scream and if both of those are on cool down I just have to suck it up.

I don't want to have the perfect response to every situation, but not being able to do anything what-so-ever isn't exactly thrilling either.

Maybe I'm just too use to my paladin.

Come across a Warlock? Shadow protection Aura, Stunning seal, Excorsize the demon pet, etc.

Mage? Alternate between Fire and Frost Auras, Bessing of freedom, etc.

I had an Aura, blessing, seal combination for just about anything. It wasn't always the best solution, but it was something.

Priests don't need to be buffed. They just need more variety.

[Kallindra]

You've pretty much listed two of the three options we have:

PW:S, Psychic Scream, and heal our asses off until we run out of mana.

Variety would be great, but again, Blizz has always been very reluctant to give us much of anything.

But I forgot one of our greatest tools, Mind Vision. Never forget how ridiculously powerful this ability is when used along side /target <name>. They did "tweak" this so we have to have some sort of LOS, but it still is a huge staple in our defensives and our offensives. If you know who you are looking for, just /target <name> and if you are familiar with the territory, you can zero in on the location if you can get a lock on them.

[Ephram]

meh, I'm bored at work. I have since moved on to HUNTERS.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=70909299&postId=707830165&sid=1#0