Revantusk

[Nazshakul]

So I'm planning on making a Troll Alt to help with my burnout for my Main Character. I was thinking of making Asurajin (His name) a Forest Troll from the Revantusk Clan. Either a Warrior, or a (Shadow) Priest. Also was thinking of making him a mercenary. (In concept only though, won't be really charging people to help them, I can't as a lowbie anyways)

So, is there any reason why this concept wouldn't work? Is there anything I should remember about RPing a Forest Troll rather than a Jungle Troll? And should I be a Fury Warrior (Cause the thought of a berserking troll dual-wielding axes is cool) or Shadow Priest? (Voodoo is cool, yo)

[Vilmah]

You come get da voodoo.

And you're burned out on an old man who bathes naked with a succubus?? I love him!

[Nazshakul]

Well, I do like the character, but I need a change. A bloodthirsty forest troll might be a nice change of pace, and allows me to RP differently than the "old, bad-ass uncle/mentor" archetype. <<;

[Vilmah]

I support you 100%!

[Nazshakul]

You know the only reason you support it is that you just wanna see another hunky male Troll slouching around. ;)

[Aeriel]

Forest trolls are a little more civilized than Jungle Trolls correct?

From the Troll RP section it seems that they stayed together more as a community rather than breaking up into tiny wandering sects.

[Vilmah]

Forest trolls aren't all that trusted by people, though. They were employed by the Horde during the first two wars, then kinda just went back to do their thing. Except for the Revantusks, they're not considered allies, and even the Revantusks are kinda in a similar situation of the Forsaken.

And yeah Naz, you've got me pegged.. I'm a sucker for ya'll lanky-ass trolls.

[Nazshakul]

Heh. Anyways, I can't decide on my class, the voodoo priest idea is cool, but his disposition suits a warrior more. He's uhhh... slightly sanguinary. Then again, a bloodthirsy, arrogant voodoo priest does sound fun...

[Niethan]

The guild Revantusk Empire is something you should check out, Naz.

[Vilmah]

Just don't check it out for too long! I'd miss you. =(

[Nazshakul]

Aww... hehehe. Don't worry Vil, I may not even like it. Anyways, we could always level up an alt together. I'm sick of doing things with alone/pugs!

[Vilmah]

If only I had the time to lvl an alt.. my poor 30 shaman Khiskiva and 42 priest Djalli are in need of some love.

[Niethan]

I have a 16 priest that needs a meatshield.... >.>

[Leyujin]

I have to say I always thought of the Revantusk as sissies... always had more respect for the Amani tribe, Zul'jin's personal tribe yo. One of the few things I can tell ya is that I've heard that forest trolls are built more bulkily than jungle trolls. Don't know if you want to fit that in. Leyu'jin basically started out as a troll berserker, but I rped too heavily the axe fetish. As a warrior, don't make the same mistake I did, use all weapons! I'd like to think an Amani tribe merc would work better, as unlike the Revantusk they haven't officially made ties to the Horde... however as Zul'jin's own, several of them might still hold their oaths to the Horde, and as such, might break away from the tribe to sell their services. Either one works though.

[Nazshakul]

Good point about the Amani tribe... I just assumed all the Forest Trolls besides Revantusks were hostile, but with my character being more of a mercenary it could easily fit in... I'm not sure, I don't like to bend the lore too much. Anyone else have any thoughts about that?

[Niethan]

Either one has enough iof a reason for mercdom. Hell, Niethan is mossflayer, and he gets here fine.

[Fallacy]

Problem is, the Revantusk are the only ones that even still have a connection to the Horde. All other forest troll clans are extremely hostile, or have joined the Dark Horde (Rend's little portion). You'd have trouble getting in with a lot of people.

Heck, the Revantusk don't even like the other forest trolls, as they were hunted down and killed by the Witherbark, and, with the Blood Elves coming around, expect to ostracized even further. They'll have no place in their hearts for any people from the Amani empire.

[EnheilRas]

Alright..

The Revantusk tribe was Zul'jin's Personal Tribe. The Revantusks are the *only* Aman'i still loyal to the horde. Zul'jin had brought together all the Aman'i into the Horde, but when he disappeared, they went back to their own states, but the Witherbark's remained with the Horde for slightly longer for the duration of the second war before downright betraying the Horde in the aftermath.

Warmaster Voone and Shadow hunter Vosh'Gajin are the leaders of the Smolderthorn. Aman'i that currently serve the Blackrock and Black Tooth Grin.

[Leyujin]

Untrue Manus.

Amani Tribe:

"Established long before the Great Sundering, the Amani empire took its name from the strongest tribe of forest trolls at the time. In addition, the tribe takes justifiable pride in counting Zul'jin as one of its members. In spite of his disappearance after the Second War, Zul'jin remains the most famous and respected forest troll in history. "


Revantusk Tribe:

Where: Hinterlands (primarily in Revantusk Village)

Category: Forest trolls

Leader: Primal Torntusk

Source (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/troll/foresttribes.html)

The Revantusk revere Zul'jin as all other Forest Trolls do, but they were not his personal tribe. Zul'jin lead the Amani Tribe for many years, leading guerilla assaults against the High Elves in Quel'Thalas.

[Shadowspeak]

I like roleplaying a Troll, because they have no real steroetype like most of the other races do.

That and the more incoherent your speech becomes, the better.

I have a restoration shaman, witch-doctor thing you know. It's pretty fun, pulling out random shunken heads and tarantulas.

[EnheilRas]

No, Untrue for you.

The Aman'i cover ALL Forest and Sand Troll Tribes. All these troll tribes are direct descendents of the Amani Empire (MossFlayer, Revantusk, Witherbark, Sandfury, Smolderthorn, etc).

Likewise, all Jungle troll tribes are descendent from the Gurubashi Empire, and the Gurubash'i are quickly reforming the Empire.

Much like al Frost trolls are Drakkar'i, because their tribes all descended from the Gundraki Empire.

[Leyujin]

This is so, but the Amani TRIBE took its name from the EMPIRE, styling itself as the strongest Forest Troll Tribe, both by taking the name of the Empire itself, and situating itself near Quel'Thalas rather than fleeing south. As stated, Zul'jin came from the Amani Tribe, not the Revantusk Tribe. The empire itself had already collapsed during the Troll Wars.

[Niethan]

Wait wait wait. Isn't Sandfury part of a different subspecies?

[EnheilRas]

No, False.

The Revantusks themselves claim Zul'jin tto be their Chieftain. The Aman'i indeed split into all these different tribes as they spread through what would be called the Eastern Kingdoms; everything north of the Thandol Span. Much like in the Vale, only those whom stayed in the actual Kingdom heart of the Former Empire kept the name.

[Leyujin]

Heh heh heh.

Like I thought, this became a sticking point for you Enheilras. But it's not me you need to argue with. It's Blizzard.

"Established long before the Great Sundering, the Amani empire took its name from the strongest tribe of forest trolls at the time. In addition, the tribe takes justifiable pride in counting Zul'jin as one of its members. In spite of his disappearance after the Second War, Zul'jin remains the most famous and respected forest troll in history.

After the Amani empire was shattered by the Troll Wars, most forest trolls settled in areas that were a comfortable distance from Quel'Thalas. However, the Amani tribe sneered at such precautions as cowardice. Beset by the high elves' powerful sorcery, Zul'Aman was greatly reduced in size, but the Amani tribe remained entrenched at the easternmost edge of the enchanted kingdom."

"Never one of the larger tribes in the Amani empire, the Revantusk tribe was nearly wiped out by the Troll Wars. Reluctantly the trolls yielded to practicality and moved a safe distance away from the elven invaders. Like other forest trolls, the Revantusks swore that one day they would have their revenge.

The Second War gave the forest trolls that opportunity. Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer asked the trolls to ally themselves with the Horde. In return, Doomhammer promised that the Horde would vanquish the high elves and assist the forest trolls in reestablishing the Amani empire.

As leader of all the forest trolls at the time, Zul'jin eventually accepted Doomhammer's offer. A few tribes of forest trolls joined their new allies on the battlefield. Shortly thereafter, the Horde burned down the borderlands of Quel’Thalas and slaughtered many high elf civilians. Furious at this wanton destruction of life, the elves subsequently committed all their resources to the war, which the Alliance ultimately won.

Several additional battles later, most of the vanquished orcs on Azeroth were rounded up and placed in internment camps. In the war's disastrous aftermath, the Horde was shattered, and many forest trolls deserted their former orc allies without a moment's hesitation. The Revantusks had little choice other than to flee as well, for their numbers were far too few to liberate the captive orcs, particularly when the orcs themselves seemed uninterested in freedom. Because they continued to feel some loyalty toward the Horde, the Revantusks were the target of many attacks from other forest trolls. Eventually the Revantusk tribe relocated to the coast of the Hinterlands, where they hoped to avoid further notice.

Leader: Primal Torntusk"

Nowhere in there does it mention that Zul'jin belongs to the Revantusk tribe, and the leader is stated to be Primal Torntusk. It DOES state that Zul'jin was the leader of all Forest Trolls, and that the Amani Tribe was proud to have Zul'jin as one of its own. The Amani Tribe is declared to be seperate from the entity known as the Amani Empire. The Revantusk make reference to Zul'jin, saying, "If Zul'jin were here, he would have destroyed the whole lot of them with a flick of his wrist - alas, Zul'jin has not yet returned and we are left to our own devices.", but there is no reference to him being the personal chieftain of the tribe: he is simply the Chieftain of all Forest Trolls, and I am guessing the Revantusk assume he would aid them as they believe they are adhering to his vision the most. All of this comes from Blizzard sources, directly from their website, and more recently than the quests in the game. You can say it is retconned (despite the fact there is no direct mention of him being their chief), but Blizzard lore states that Zul'jin's personal tribe is not the Revantusk, but the Amani, and that he is the leader of all the Forest Trolls.

[EnheilRas]

Heh heh heh.

Like I thought, this became a sticking point for you Enheilras. But it's not me you need to argue with. It's Blizzard.

"Established long before the Great Sundering, the Amani empire took its name from the strongest tribe of forest trolls at the time. In addition, the tribe takes justifiable pride in counting Zul'jin as one of its members. In spite of his disappearance after the Second War, Zul'jin remains the most famous and respected forest troll in history.

After the Amani empire was shattered by the Troll Wars, most forest trolls settled in areas that were a comfortable distance from Quel'Thalas. However, the Amani tribe sneered at such precautions as cowardice. Beset by the high elves' powerful sorcery, Zul'Aman was greatly reduced in size, but the Amani tribe remained entrenched at the easternmost edge of the enchanted kingdom."

"Never one of the larger tribes in the Amani empire, the Revantusk tribe was nearly wiped out by the Troll Wars. Reluctantly the trolls yielded to practicality and moved a safe distance away from the elven invaders. Like other forest trolls, the Revantusks swore that one day they would have their revenge.

All forest trolls are Aman'i. I can only say this so many times. You need to discernn the difference between Amani and Aman'i. You're a troll, you should know what the suffix means.

Zul'jin is Aman'i. He's a Revantusk.

The Second War gave the forest trolls that opportunity. Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer asked the trolls to ally themselves with the Horde. In return, Doomhammer promised that the Horde would vanquish the high elves and assist the forest trolls in reestablishing the Amani empire.

As leader of all the forest trolls at the time, Zul'jin eventually accepted Doomhammer's offer. A few tribes of forest trolls joined their new allies on the battlefield. Shortly thereafter, the Horde burned down the borderlands of Quel’Thalas and slaughtered many high elf civilians. Furious at this wanton destruction of life, the elves subsequently committed all their resources to the war, which the Alliance ultimately won.

See, that's not right at all. Anyone vaguely experience in-game Lore knows that Stromgarde captured Zul'jin and imprisoned him, so orgrim made a move and send the Bleeding Hollow to break him free in a cold winter on Arathi at the very start of the Second War. Zul'jin joined the Horde due to this debt of Honor.


Nowhere in there does it mention that Zul'jin belongs to the Revantusk tribe, and the leader is stated to be Primal Torntusk. It DOES state that Zul'jin was the leader of all Forest Trolls, and that the Amani Tribe was proud to have Zul'jin as one of its own. The Amani Tribe is declared to be seperate from the entity known as the Amani Empire. The Revantusk make reference to Zul'jin, saying, "If Zul'jin were here, he would have destroyed the whole lot of them with a flick of his wrist - alas, Zul'jin has not yet returned and we are left to our own devices.", but there is no reference to him being the personal chieftain of the tribe: he is simply the Chieftain of all Forest Trolls, and I am guessing the Revantusk assume he would aid them as they believe they are adhering to his vision the most. All of this comes from Blizzard sources, directly from their website, and more recently than the quests in the game. You can say it is retconned (despite the fact there is no direct mention of him being their chief), but Blizzard lore states that Zul'jin's personal tribe is not the Revantusk, but the Amani, and that he is the leader of all the Forest Trolls.

The Amani Empire were Aman'i.
The Revantusks are Aman'i
The Mossflayer are Aman'i
The Smolderthorn are Aman'i
The Vilebranch are Aman'i
The Witherbark are Aman'i

All these tribes are direct descendents from the Amani Empire of Ancient times.

Zul'jin is Aman'i, and a Revantusk. When he joined all the Aman'i together, they were the Amani Empire reborn. Zul'jin is a name in Zandali that roughly translates into "God King." He was no Chieftain, but an Emporer, and perhaps the last of a Bloodline of Aman'i Emporers. His legend is surpassed that even the Gurubash'i know of his victories and incredible diplomacy.

[Leyujin]

Read the website Manus. What's there is the Lore. Cite your sources. Where are you getting Zul'jin is a Revantusk besides that one quote I already cited from an ingame quest? The actual mission to free Zul'jin is an assault on Hillsbrad, this is true. I believe the actual briefing was that Orgrim Doomhammer had been courting Zul'jin in an effort to gain an alliance, and upon his capture, saw a way to gain leverage on him. There was nothing in the past lore that showed Zul'jin was a Revantusk, indeed, the fact that it was clearly stated that he carried out raids on the Elves (warcraft II Manual, page 32), suggests he was usually near Quel'Thalas itself. The Revantusk are recently invented, and not situated near Quel'thalas, nor near the city of Zul'Aman near Quel'Thalas. The Amani Tribe is, and includes all the Lore to suggest they were the ones most active in combating the High Elves. It should also be obvious that there is an actual Amani Tribe, since there are Troll adversaries of the Blood Elves from all we know, residing in Zul'Aman and outside, who are not Mossflayers, but their own unique group.
All forest trolls came from the Amani Empire, but not all forest trolls are from the Amani Tribe, because there is a difference. One is the empire that encompassed all the forest troll tribes, one is the strongest tribe from which the empire's name was derived.

[Sulajin]

I still say it should be Raventusk, not Revantusk. Revantusk doesn't make much sense given Troll naming schemes. (Seems to be deed-names.)

[Shadowspeak]

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Lore fight? :P

[Vilmah]

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Lore fight? :P

In the steel cage in Gatgetzan! SUNDAY SUNDAY SUUUUNDAY!!

[Shadowspeak]

...hehe... I do enjoy Phia.