Half Elves

[Laron]

I know this will probably be a can of worms, but I would like to know your oppions on the subject.

1) Do they exists?
2) What would be their life span.
3) How soon would they hit maturity.
4) Anything else you want to comment on.

[Brakogar]

This is my understanding from reading the Pre WoW Warcraft Novels, specially the War of the Ancients Trilogy:

1) Yes, Rhonin (Human Mage) and Vereesa Windrunner (High Elven Ranger and sister of Sylvanas) got married and had twins.

2) I assume that their life spans are longer than humans but shorter than full blood High Elves (possibly twice that of a human)

3) This is a guess, but it is probably at the same age as humans (biologically speaking). When it comes to High Elve Society I am not sure.

4) Half-High Elves do exist but they are very rare. I also know that they are not all that well accepted in the main social circles of the Humans or the High Elves and descriminated upon (this is based on general descrimination that the Humans and High Elves have shown towards one another during the Lore, probably more so now that the Blood Elves have joined Horde).

That is my take on it but I am not sure how this is seen (or will be seen) in WoW as the Lore seems to be going through a radical continueous revamp in order to accomodate the mainstream market (This story arc may be ommited or changed). Who knows what may be changed when the next expansion or major Patch comes out.

All my info is from pre WoW warcraft.

[Danyxandra]

Me Grimlock loves to whack Zusteakai in the head everytime he says something rash and uncalled for. He must have very hard head!

Brak....that siggy quote is just the best...evah.

[EnheilRas]

Half-Elves do exist.

One appears in Burning Crusade.

Alleria and Turalyon had a son: Arator.

[Alucian]

Eww, someone slept with that? And it was Turalyon?

Draenor musta gotten real lonely...Khadgar woulda looked better than her after a while, honestly...

[EnheilRas]

Khadgar is stuck in Shattrath, he's actually neutral to the Alliance and the Horde.

Arator is a Tier 2 Paladin. Looks exactly like a Blood Elf.

Oooh, and he must be destroyed because Turalyon is *nowhere* to be found. He is guilty for his father's crimes.

So is Danath and Alleria.

Kudran and Khadgar are okay.

[Yichimet]

From the D20 Warcraft Core Rulebook:

1) They do exist. They're one of the core races you can choose to play.
2) They live between two and three centuries.
3) They reach maturity at age 20 or so.
4) As with half-orcs, they're not really accepted by either side of their heritage.

[EnheilRas]

Orc-Draenei weren't accepted no.

Orc-Ogre? They were ELITE!

[Vilmah]

Orc Ogres.

Y'know, either way you look at it.. it just feels bad. I must say, that's ONE genre that my porn won't be delving into. I mean.. orc men are sexy, but combined with an ogre woman?? Or... or think of it the other way... a poor little orc lady and.....

Okay. I'm done. I'll stick with good old fashion Tauren/Gnome porn, thanks.

[EnheilRas]

There's a whole fucking Mok'Nathal Village in the Blade's Edge Mountains in Burning Crusade.

http://www.coldheat.de/archiv/bilder/rexxar.jpg

[Vilmah]

*beats head on desk* Get.. it.. out... of.. my.. head!!

[EnheilRas]

I so adore that graphic of Rexxar.

[Vilmah]

Rexxar himself was sexy indeed.

His lineage just goes places. Bad places.

Goshdammit, you're gonna make me draw ogre/orc porn.

Alright, you twisted my arm. I'll do it.

[EnheilRas]

I believe Rexxar's mother was an Ogre. He seemed extremely passionate about his Ogre Heritage in Chapter 2 when the Refugee from the Stonemauls was recovered by Vol'jinn on the Troll Settlement in Dustwallow Marsh (Where the hell did that place go anyway?). It was actually the first time Rexxar, whom is adamantly stoic through the entire Adventure, bestows a sense of real anger and hostility. All other times he just simply does his duty.

[Vilmah]

Well... I'll see what I can do, then...

"My lady.. what a beautiful... eye?"
"Wraaaaar!! Me ogre want do you!!"
"Sweet merciful Kilrogg!!!"

[Chingaso]

*sings

Oh sweet mystery of life, at last I've found you!

[Mohan]

Ah Vilmah, you paint such a pretty picture. :twisted:

[EnheilRas]

keep that stuff outta mah forum!

Put it into your artist's corner.

[Vilmah]

Fine! I will! I'll post all sorts of naked drawings.. that'll show you...

[EnheilRas]

You never even finished mine.

I don't believe you.

[Vilmah]

I haven't finished a lot of things. That X-Men pic was started over a month ago.. yours is still on my list. I've already done the innitial sketch, I just have to fill in the details.

[Niethan]

And Vilmah wonders why everything she touches turns to spam! :D

As for the half-race questions that have been floating around recently, I've been compiling a list of hypotheticals and reasonings for which I have no evidence for, just in case someone asks the npc I have that would know such things, be they true or not.

[Vilmah]

I know I know... I'm a terrible person... *hangs head in shame*

CHEESE!

[EnheilRas]

Human-Quel/Sin'Dorei

Orc-Draenei
Orc-Ogre

Pretty much the only ones allowed.

[Vilmah]

No Orc/Troll mixes? Awwww....

[Shadowspeak]

..I wanna see a picture of when Nojinbu finally gets lucky.













with keraph.


BWAHAHA!

[Niethan]

I think it's possible, but much less likely, as it has three conditions:

1. The troll is the father. A female troll's agressive immune system would probably destroy the fetus.
2. The baby does not have large tusks when born. I'm not sure when those come in on normal trolls, but damn that would hurt.
3. Some orc honey actually found the troll attractive. I think that's why there aren't any troll mixes with other races; nobody loves the trolls but themselves. Though I would hope that it's more probable than orc/ogre.

[EnheilRas]

Genetics just don't splice

[Shadowspeak]

Genetics just don't splice

"Yea, don't you know that song children? 'Troll and Orc DNA just don't splice' "


To anyone who know where thats taken from, +5 coolness points.

[Vilmah]

Genetics just don't splice

It's fantasy. Genetics can do whatever we want them to do.

Pew pew pew!

And Niethan, COME ON. You and I are living proof that Orcs love some troll and vice versa.

[Niethan]

I assume it's been tried, then? Hm. What about genetic corruption, would that help?

[Vilmah]

I assume it's been tried, then? Hm. What about genetic corruption, would that help?

Genetic corruption helps EVERYTHING... just ask a gnome!

[Niethan]

Hooray for mutant babies! I predict that some day, the Rest Inn Peace's address will, in act, be on Greymalkin Lane.

[Laron]

Well I must have not checked inform me of posts.... because I thought this thread died... Wow...

[Vilmah]

Hooray for mutant babies! I predict that some day, the Rest Inn Peace's address will, in act, be on Greymalkin Lane.

Mutant babies with scaly arms and skinny legs... tiny tusks and big ears! They'll be adorable!

[Shadowspeak]

Hooray for mutant babies! I predict that some day, the Rest Inn Peace's address will, in act, be on Greymalkin Lane.

Mutant babies with scaly arms and skinny legs... tiny tusks and big ears! They'll be adorable!*Cough* And four eyes.

[EnheilRas]

and have evolved behind the use of their mouths..

so they speak psychically..

[Sulajin]

Whether or not Trolls could interbreed doesn't seem to be an issue. Trolls are just violent, and can get away with it due to their healing factor. I doubt other races would survive the experience. And only the most depraved would want to try.

[Fallacy]

Fallacy's son is a half-elf.

*quickly looks about*

He just doesn't know about it, yet.

[Visca]

If Quel'dori/human babies are possible, then so are Kal'dori/human babies. And because the Races are close I would think the Elves could have children as well... if they could get past their hatred ofcourse.

[Jeedup]

Genetics just don't splice

If that were true, there would be no discussion of Half-Elfs or Half-Orcs.

[Visca]

Half-breeds are supposed to be Really rare, from what I'm told.

Also would a half-elf, if someone would get past them being what they are, be able to have offspring?

[Darkblade]

Genetics just don't splice
If that were true, there would be no discussion of Half-Elfs or Half-Orcs.

Depends on whether the species are compatible or not. A mule is half horse, half donkey.
Of course, every mule is sterile. That's just the way it works.

Genetically speaking, a half-breed could be possible. Realistically, don't expect to be able to produce offspring if you are one.

[Evanthe]

That entierly depends on how close the species are. A mule is a good example of a half-breed, sterile.

But what if (some) of the humanoids are closer together, like dog breeds? I'm thinking Kal'Dorie, Sin'Dorei here. You could have a bunch of mutt-elves running around, capable of having mutt babies. (This is assuming that they can get over their hatred for one another, of course).

[Darkblade]

That entierly depends on how close the species are. A mule is a good example of a half-breed, sterile.

But what if (some) of the humanoids are closer together, like dog breeds? I'm thinking Kal'Dorie, Sin'Dorei here. You could have a bunch of mutt-elves running around, capable of having mutt babies. (This is assuming that they can get over their hatred for one another, of course).


The *Dorei should be able to breed together fine, I would think, being originally the same exact race.

But when you add a human in to the mix, you're no longer working with breeds of elves, but other genetics completely.

[Icia]

The *Dorei should be able to breed together fine, I would think, being originally the same exact race.

But when you add a human in to the mix, you're no longer working with breeds of elves, but other genetics completely.
Unless it turns out that Night Elves really did come from Trolls, and that Humans did too...

No, but actually, I would argue that the magic changed the High Elves significantly enough that they very well would not be the same race anymore. Especially considering the Naga had the same origins, and they're quite obviously completely different.

[Islefr]

Especially considering the Naga had the same origins, and they're quite obviously completely different.

Why? Why do you want Vilmah to draw these things so badly? Why?

[Fallacy]

Good explanation for this sort of thing: it's fantasy. We don't know what could work together, unless Blizzard outrightly says so (so far, only high elf/human, orc/draenei, orc/human, and orc/ogre have been mentioned), so there's always the possibility. The Mok'nathal are certainly not infertile, having bred among themselves before (Rexxar is one of the descendants of past Mok'nathal couplings). The idea of tauren + any other humanoid race still makes me cringe, though, same with troggs, or gnolls, or kobolds...

[Icia]

The idea of tauren + any other humanoid race still makes me cringe, though, same with troggs, or gnolls, or kobolds...Just for the sake of subjecting you to the mental image I suddently got....

Tauren x Gnome

[Vilmah]

Why? Why do you want Vilmah to draw these things so badly? Why?

>_>.........

[Rand_Shea]

Given how hostile some races are towards others, I wouldn't be too surprised of half-breeds of any type... if there was a slave trade, anyway.

Not sure if they did Lore-wise, but I'd fully expect trolls, humans, sin'dorei, orcs, and dwarves to have at one point or another captured and kept slaves of the other races they didn't like.

I know for certain that the Forsaken do (There's an NPC with a woman mind-slave in Undercity, as well as the captured humans locked up in cages in the Apothecarium), but they're incapable of reproducing since they're like... dead. Pretty sure that's going to open up a whole new discussion but I'll end my input on that here. :D

Humans had the orcs in internment camps for awhile, and if I remember correctly... Thrall was said to be a 'slave name' during the Greatmother story arc.

Not sure about the Kal'dorei, Quel'dorei (probably would), gnomes, or Taurens though... Kal'dorei would probably consider it a nuisance to have them, same with Quel'dorei, Gnomes probably as well (Too much trouble to house something that's anywhere from 2-5 times larger than you, much less control), and Taurens just wouldn't bother it seems.

As for relations between races in 'present' time... there's plenty of players that have interracial relations with other players on RP levels. If they were all included in the lore as written up characters, I would expect that there would be some introduction of various half-breeds over some amount of time.

[Thoraggar]

I think the mok'nathal have been seperate from the ogre's for a while, they're a whole race of halves ( hurray Mok'nathal women!).

I guess there's kinda some mixed lore then, big surprise, because I remember the War of the Ancient's mentioning Ronin's twins being the first half-elves ever recorded. So thats between WC3 and WoW, 4 years? Though the one in outland, I guess he wouldn't have gotten recorded? Still slugging through Horde side WC2 so I'm kinda sjetchy on names there. But the RPG says there's alot of halves...so. The answer is 42.

Edit:And don't assume just because there's a relationship there offspring. If they're not trading the right pieces of DNA your not gonna get a complete code. Like...european power with american appliances, or visa versa. Just cause it plugs in doesn't mean it'll work.

[Islefr]

Edit:And don't assume just because there's a relationship there offspring. If they're not trading the right pieces of DNA your not gonna get a complete code. Like...european power with american appliances, or visa versa. Just cause it plugs in doesn't mean it'll work.

That is the single greatest description of cross-breeding I have ever heard.

That aside, I don't see any reason (from a layman perspective at least) why any matings between anything sans Tauren and Undead wouldn't work. The Forsaken, well, even if you did get some sort of reaction, necrophilia isn't producing any babies. And I exclude the Tauren because the amount of genetic differences that have to occur for hooves, horns, three fingers and a snout to appear are probably great enough that no one (except maybe troll DNA) could over come. I'd exclude the Dranei from this list to, but as has been said before, there are documented cases of half-breed Dranei. Although, it was with an orc, so it could just be that their time on Draenor changed the DNA of the two races living there (i.e. orc and dranei) enough that they could couple and produce green-skinned squid-goats with fangs. All the others seem enough alike that they could mate and produce babies.

[Fallacy]

Except Draenei are originally from Argus, not Draenor.

[Alishondra]

WELL if you wanna get technical...

The Eredar were from Argus. The Draenei are from Draenor.

Why the distinction? Because with the exception of Velan and a few key people, Draenei have an orc-like life span, if just a little bit longer. Thus any one born on Draenor would have ceased being Eredarii after the third or fourth generation, simply due to the differences in the planets. They might look alike, but I'd expect their genetics to work just a tad bit differently then their Eredarii ancestors.

[Fallacy]

WELL if you wanna get technical...

The Eredar were from Argus. The Draenei are from Draenor.

Why the distinction? Because with the exception of Velan and a few key people, Draenei have an orc-like life span, if just a little bit longer. Thus any one born on Draenor would have ceased being Eredarii after the third or fourth generation, simply due to the differences in the planets. They might look alike, but I'd expect their genetics to work just a tad bit differently then their Eredarii ancestors.

Not really true. Draenei have very much extended lifespans over hundreds of years, and very few children were born on Draenor (Durotan and Orgrim saw one when they visited one of their towns as children and it was already much older than they were, despite looking around the same age), as they hadn't been there for long before the orcs were corrupted (400 years, I believe). Draenei are essentially the same as they were on Argus, certainly moreso than the Eredar. The only exception would be the Broken, but it's hard to say whether they are counted as draenei anymore.

[Rand_Shea]

The Broken would be like the Sin'Dorei's Wretched, I thought... Mutated and 'lower' versions of their Draenei kin due to their enslavement to the demons and exposure to the fel energies.

Kind of like how dogs and wolves are related because dogs descend from wolves and have been domesticated. They're both canines, but in terms of behaviors and how most of them look, are only alike in a few ways.

[Qabian]

I haven't finished reading Rise of the Horde but the Draenei who talked to Durotan remembered having arrived 200 years earlier, and the "youths" he passes by have an odd quality of agelessness, so I'm pretty sure they don't have orc-like lifespans.