The Defias Brotherhood

[Creedy]

Considering my current Rp story arc, I wanted to post a bit of the Defias backstory. It's a good read if you haven't checked it out yet:

http://www.wow.joystiq.com/2008/05/22/know-your-lore-the-defias-brotherhood/

[Nikaa]

Thank you, SO going to read up on this over the weekend. I read about the Defias when I first started playing over the summer, and I think some of what I read was inaccurate, and certainly out dated by now. (It's bad that I don't know how Van Cleef died, and who Vanessa is beyond his daughter.)

[Swerto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGWAhB9yn7g

[Oraph]

im still against having a gnome leading the defias, when gnomes has nothing at all to do with it.

[Creedy]

I'm not leading it.

[Oraph]

Yet your still part of it as it you were a member. (from what i read of your post) Gnome basicly has nothing to do with Defias, only way I could see them near defias, is if they were associate/hired by them to accomplish something.

[Swerto]

Tauren don't have anything to do with defias, but one used to be a boss in deadmines.

[Skallagar]

A giant minotaur that talks like a pirate can pretty much go wherever the fuck he wants.

[Matinmor]

Creedy is one of the original Stonemasons. He is a member of the Defias, and does not take orders directly from Vanessa and all that(At least not all the time). He is just another Defias. And we are people looking to join. This is gained from the RP.

Don't be hatin; on Creedy, he's a nice guy and he's doing this RP very well.

[Swerto]

(@Thrym)


So you can just... kiss his ass... kiss his ass... CHICKA-kiss his ass

[Matinmor]

Because I cleared up an issue regarding someone's lore, and gave them a compliment on the fun RP? Kk.

[Swerto]

Was quoting the song I just posted, and aiming it at thrym.

[Matinmor]

Oh. Woops, didn't look at the video

[Oraph]

There's no gnomes int he stonemasons. Least from every source I've read, never they mention a gnome.


And the defias group was composed of mainly Humans, high elves pissed of at SW, some dwarves of khaz. Along with some other people out there that was seeking a place in society... half elf / half orc.

If you read more, you'll see why a tauren is part of the organization, as for back then the defias was more then just what it was.

[Matinmor]

-This doesn't have anything to do with the Creedy situation, just a TL;DR for people that don't want to read it all. The original Defias was made of pissed off Stonemasons that rebuilt the city, and got nothing in return. Not ONLY did they not get paid, they were given see-through lies, and then when they demanded money, they were EXILED.Stonemasons got pissed, wanted revenge.They went to the leader of the Stonemason's Guild, Edwin Vancleef. Edwin organized them and many other outcasts of the world, forming the Defias Brotherhood.

Orphans, halfbreeds, or simply those disillusioned with the world as it stood flocked to the Defias in droves. I don't see why this can't include a gnome.

Additionally, VanCleef's first mate is a Tauren. Strange, but not too unusual given the Brotherhood's tendency to attract the eccentric and outcast. The page already commented on the Tauren situation.
And I'm not going to quote the entire other half of the passage, but be sure to read it. The speculation involved is plausible and really makes you think about the possibilities.

[Creedy]

Let him hate.

Stonemason's were comprised of artisans, carpenters, and ENGINEERS. It did not say the Stonemasons were comprised of humans. Creedy is an Engineer. His race (like the Tauren, the Dwarves, Goblins, ogres, Worgen now, and the damn MURLOCS), doesn't really matter to the Defias Brotherhood. If Gnomes couldn't be Rogues, I might (MIGHT) be inclined to agree with you... but we can be... so get over it.



Nuff said.

[Matinmor]

Oh Swerto, you merciless Brony.


A giant minotaur that talks like a pirate can pretty much go wherever the fuck he wants.

I have to agree with this.

[Oraph]

read the full lore plz.

[Matinmor]

I read the full lore, and it is fully plausible for a gnome to be one of the original Stonemasons, and in the Defias. You're making no sense, basing what you're saying off lore that says it's plausible. Your very basis supports ours. So, y'know.

[Micael]

Stonemason's were comprised of artisans, carpenters, and ENGINEERS.

Creedy is 100% right on this. Plus, although lore gives credit to the Stonemasons guild, there are a LOT of other people involved in building a city. You need archeitechs, building planners, a specialist in canals and water(high v. low tide causes a LOT of problems for cities. In addition, note that Stormwind was build on the edge of an ocean. Salt water affects structures like crazy. Look at Lady Liberty), as well as the other people who had to get involved and put in crazy amounts of effort. Metal workers were needed for the gates, I assume plumbers were needed to set up the fountains, and oh my god the amount of military consulting for how to best defend a city in an emergency (look at the map of any city and I promise you it has a strategic defense plan, or so I was told by a 2 star general/military historian at the museum)

[Swerto]

Sometimes variety isn't special snowflake syndrome, just saying. Not everyone is trying to be a High Elf and still be visiting Horde cities, a blood-elf Worgen, or a vampire, ya'know?

Sometimes variety can be cool, like that Troll Death Knight who RP'd that he was a Shadow Hunter (Forget his name), or like Creedy here who is roleplaying a Defias gnome in a very Gnomish way. I think it's cool, entertaining, and very original. Just because something is different doesn't mean you need to call bullshit.

[Creedy]

Bad troll is bad. Apologies for ruining your immersion. /eyeroll

Here is a tip: /ignore Creedy

Works for me. Somtimes I can't stand him either.

*Back on Topic* I hope that Blizzard does more with the Defias group as a whole. I am also curious what people think about VanCleef's daughter taking over. I was a little irritated about it, but I haven't gone through the entire quest chain yet to experience it. The Defias never struck me as an organization willing to give leadership to someone based on blood alone; I had always thought it would be more of a title based on the individual with the most tenacity and ruthless behavior.

[Matinmor]

I think they accepted her so readily because it was her who banded together the homeless and the gnolls and such again. She was the one who re-united the remnants of the Defias. Being Edwin's daughter was just a chip on her shoulder.

[Urivial]

I think they accepted her so readily because it was her who banded together the homeless and the gnolls and such again. She was the one who re-united the remnants of the Defias. Being Edwin's daughter was just a chip on her shoulder.

Pretty much this. She has done remarkable things for the organization for her age, and in some eyes she's made it stronger then what it was when her father led it.

Oh and erm... do Heroic Deadmines. You'll see how ruthless she can be. AND TENACIOUS.

[Necroxis]

Aside from the ridiculous fighting that shouldn't even BE in a Lore thread...


I am also curious what people think about VanCleef's daughter taking over.

Just think about it...at the time of Cataclysm, the Defias have been thoroughly destroyed by Stormwind and "adventurers." Edwin VanCleef is dead, the possible corrupt Nobles who were pulling the Defias' strings from behind the scenes (Onyxia) are either dead or are no longer in control with Varian having returned and taken absolute control of his city once more, and their master plan of launching their Juggernaut was thwarted. Most who survived the collapse became common thugs (Hence all the Defias throughout Elwynn and Westfall becoming simple thieves), or have given up and returned back to Stormwind.

And then this young girl comes into the picture. She takes every opportunity Varian affords her to her advantage. She rallies the poor around her cause before even revealing that the cause is a resurgence of the Brotherhood. She frees a capture Admiral, and recruits an entire team of specialists right under Westfall's nose, and secretly builds up the forces of the Defias. She then does what even her father could not: successfully attack and defeat the nearest LARGE Stormwind-aligned town (Sentinel Hill), earning a victory and ensuring the poor support her decision, as Varian and Stoutmantle have been turning people away from Sentinel Hill at the gate.

Honestly, and I like Varian as a character, I completely support Vanessa VanCleef and the Defias in their message. I'm just sad that she gets offed in Heroic Deadmines (Although I realize that's the entire point of the heroic part, the epic finale of the storyline), it just seems like the Cataclysm-developed Defias as SO much cooler than the older Defias, and with Vanessa dead, I'd wager a guess that it will fall apart again because the current incarnation of the Leadership seems to be more focused around Vanessa than the previous Defias were around Edwin.

So...how do the Defias view Vanessa's coming-to-power? I would wager a guess they would bow down and kiss her feet.

[Oraph]

The older Defias was a group that wanted revenge against the nobles of Stormwind.. until their organization became much more then that.. (by being manipulated by Onyxia) into a group to destroy Stormwind.

The later Defias only lives for revenge, their original goal of payback for what nobles did is long forgotten.

[Creedy]

I really need to do heroric Deadmines and finish the quests. Thanks for the info. I almost don't want to do Heroic Deadmines just because that would mean she died (to my character)... damn Blizzard. Why do you have to destroy storylines when they seem to be getting good?

[Jeedup]

Keep it civil, or don't post. The end.

P.s. - Defias had a Murloc as a cook. I'd say they're an equal opportunity employer.

[Ugraz]

vanessa vancleef is hawt.

[Urivial]

I /concur.

[Creedy]

See? that's the ONLY reason to join (though now everyone knows Creedy the gnome was actually crutch the goblin who had an addiction to potions of illusion. Bet the guy who hate seeing a gnome as Defias can now sleep well :-). I do wish someone would start a remnant Defias organization... I have Alts that would love the action... But organizer beware; while my toon would not be an infiltrator, others might not have the same honorable standards as myself.

Just sayin' ;-/

[Nikaa]

But organizer beware; while my toon would not be an infiltrator, others might not have the same honorable standards as myself.

Just sayin' ;-/

Spymaster says what? ;)

[Emyi]

Okay. I will settle this argument.

A gnome could possibly be involved with the Defias. During the reconstruction of Stormwind, the dwarves sent aid to the humans, but King Magni wasn't happy with the entire ordeal and how long it was taking to get to and from, so he basically turned to Mekkatorque and they began to build the Deeprun Tram. And I am sure once this was completed, gnomes went to Stormwind, with their brother dwarves, to help out the humans. So after the tram was built, a gnome could have helped the Stonemasons out and got pissed when compensation didn't come and joined the Defias.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Deeprun_Tram#History

Edit: I just realized the argument of a gnome was months ago.

[Necroxis]

Nice job Emyi xD

[Ugraz]

vanessa vancleef is hawt.

End. Of. Story.

[Creedy]

Emyi still exists!

I've been wanting Creedy to meet her...