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Aleria Fadeleaf
10-07-2010, 08:12 AM
MEMO

TO: The TNG
FROM: Aleria Fadeleaf
SUBJECT: Fwd: "Night Elves going extinct?"
DATE: October 7, 2010

Forwarded Message:

If the new Cataclysm Forsaken areas are meant to be controversial, then the new Night Elven areas are tragedy and I'm sad there isn't more discussion about them.

In Cataclysm we see the Night Elves being pushed into a dark place indeed. Darkshore, the land which throughout World of Warcraft players were sent to try and heal from the aftermaths of the Third War, is now in ruins. Those who'd sought to somehow heal the lands are in turn struggling for survival as their village and homes are destroyed by natures upheaval while those that survive the initial destruction were then set upon by either the Twilight Cultists elementals or the Hordes sudden advance into the area, using the Cataclysm as their chance to gain a foothold.

The result in possibly one of the more depressing areas in Cataclysm. Playing as a Night Elf, you get the sense you're part of a 'rescue team' which arrived too late. Multiple quests have you aiding the dying and comforting them in their final hours while others are a desperate struggle to hold what little grasp the Night Elves have left in this ancient land against the encroaching forces which wish to destroy what little remains. Forsaken Apothecary poison the remaining wildlife while the Horde have allied with the Shatterspear tribe to invade from the North, all while the Twilight cultists continue to slowly sicken the land like a plague from within and nature itself is driven wild in the aftermath of Deathwings passing.

Meanwhile to the south Ashenvale, perhaps the last true ancient Night Elf land remaining, is similarly besieged. While the Cataclysm itself didn't have the same level of impact as in Darkshore, there are still erupting volcano and burning forests which threaten to reduce this sacred land to ashes. And through it all the Horde advance. Places like the beautiful lakeside Silverwind Refuge have fallen to the Horde, its trees older than the kingdoms of man and orc alike cut down for lumber while the ground beneath slowly dries up and dies. Similar fates threaten every other Night Elven outpost as well, from the druid grove Raynewood to Maestra's post which is on the brink of defeat and even Astranaar itself.

Even should the Horde be pushed back, you just get the feeling it might be too late. That these last two ancient Night Elven forests are dying and that it's only a matter of time before they're gone forever. As an Alliance player with a Night Elf main and fond memories of the early zones it's just... crushing. NPC which you remember once giving out quests are now dead or dying, beautiful scenic spots you remember gasping in awe at are now shadows of their former selves, and the conflict feels desperate and dirty in a way it didn't before. I don't want to fight the Shatterspear (From a story standpoint) for example, and frankly I resent Garrosh for having dragged them into this conflict and forcing Alliance to fight them when there are so many other threats which seem all the more pressing.

So what do you think? Is this the beginning of the end for the Night Elves as a people? Hyjal, though recovering, was destroyed in the Third War while Felwood remains corrupt and the Moonglade is too small to support a population even were it not home to the neutral Cenarion Circle. Darnassus meanwhile, while grand indeed, is actually a new place younger even than Orgrimmar and whose future is uncertain as throughout WOW before and in Cataclsym still it is plagued with problems from sickness to disease. That leaves among the ancient homelands of the Elves only Darkshore and Ashenvale, both of which are besieged and dying...

Is this the beginning of the end?

End of Forwarded Message
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026325878&sid=1

I won't be able to respond to this until after I get back, (about 8pm my time) but I would be interested to see what people think of this.

Aleria Fadeleaf
Department of Alliancecentrism
Office #302B

Emyi
10-07-2010, 08:36 AM
Just going to barely touch this, but Night Elves are not wildlife. They will adapt and move and continue to live and thrive despite their forest being burnt down. They did it when they left Hyjal, they will continue to do so, despite what happens.

A measly forest being partially deforested will not kill a race that has gone through FAR more in the past 10,000 years. And what is happening in Darkshore isn't any ones fault besides Deathwing, and even then, Malfurion manages to save Darkshore from being ripped apart.

As for the Shatterspear tribe to the north, they are cornered, with Moonglade to the east and Darnassus to the west. From what I know, Night Elves win that conflict.

Necroxis
10-07-2010, 08:59 AM
From what I know, Night Elves win that conflict.

They do.

It's Deathwing's fault the shit goes bad, but the Horde certainly take the opportunity to push and expand. That being said, so do the Alliance (The Barrens/ect). It seems like the writer of that article didn't want things to change -or- they wanted the Night Elves to just magically come out on top after the entirety of WoW seeing the Horde pushing into Night Elven territories. When the Cataclysm shatters Darkshore and spawns a giganto Volcano in Ashenvale, of course the Horde are going to push. Like I said, it's the same with the Alliance pushing north from Dustwallow to reinforce their Barrens bases.

CytianaMoonarrow
10-07-2010, 09:48 AM
The Night Elves aren't a particularly 'fixated on a specific area' kind of people, in my opinion. Before it gets brought up- Yes. I acknowledge the villages, and capitals both of past, and present. The fact remains however, that inevitably, the Night Elves will adapt and overcome, as they have so many times before in the past.

Elven geographical history states that Night Elves occupied the entire length of Kalimdor; From Moonglade to Silithus [Tho' Silithus not so much-- all that desert-y goodness]. Elven ruins can be found throughout Kalimdor as is-- Dire Maul's a crumbling city, for crying out loud. Blizzard is just doing what it does best to the Night Elves, once again-- It's giving them a challenge to attempt to adapt to, and overcome.

They probably will, too. They'll settle into another area-- for instance the possibility of Desolace acquiring a new settlement [I can't remember what the Cata terrain map looks like], or the Elves settling into one of the new strongholds in the Barrens, is still out there.

As a Night Elf RP'er in Cata, I can see numerous possible character development stories;

i. The first and foremost-- the vengeful elf. Your hometown is destroyed, family gone, horde must die, death to all who oppose us spiel.
ii. The patriotic elf. You've been recruited to help your kind out, and would do anything for them now, if it is for the good of elfkind.
iii. The aloof elf. By now, so much has happened to your kind, that you frankly just don't give a damn anymore. Que cera cera, basically.
iv. The 'omgQQmykindjustgotscrewedover' elf. You tell your story in all it's depressing moments to anyone who will listen-- including the not so interested bartender.

I can't wait to see the explosion of RP, personally. :> I'm half-dancing, trying to think of where to take Cyti's RP, now there's actually something there, lore-wise, to spice it up, and add some flavour.

maurdakar
10-07-2010, 10:05 AM
So much of what is going to happen to the Kaledorei, one of my favourite races, hinges on the outcome of Hyjal. I do not know what occurs there quest wise, but I am positive there will be raids and expanded content during the cataclysm there.

Jeedup
10-07-2010, 11:22 AM
Plus, the Night Elves have been around for a while. It's timed they moved over for the cooler races. Evolve or die purple skins!

CytianaMoonarrow
10-07-2010, 11:44 AM
Plus, the Night Elves have been around for a while. It's timed they moved over for the cooler races. Evolve or die purple skins!

Dood.. weren't the trolls supposedly around before the Night Elves? Don't taze us bro! Your blue skin's TOTALLY last year! :D Evolve into Night Elves or die blue skins!

Agnarr
10-07-2010, 11:47 AM
Plus, the Night Elves have been around for a while. It's timed they moved over for the cooler races. Evolve or die purple skins!

Says the Troll. :p

Crushem
10-07-2010, 01:49 PM
Interesting. No mention anywhere in there about how the Shen'dralar (http://www.wowwiki.com/Shen'dralar) (aka Nelf Mages) or Eldre'Thalas (http://www.wowwiki.com/Eldre'Thalas) factor in all that. Not much has been said about the Nelf's in Feralas either.

I think their old way of life is over, but the race as a whole is far from it. As Emyi says, they are intelligent and adaptable beings, not some rare breed of bird.

Thalevia
10-07-2010, 02:21 PM
They will either adapt as they have in the past or will fade as a species by refusing to. Or they will recover and take back Darkshore. (I haven't done the quests there so I don't know)

I could point to all the Tauren controlled areas that were destroyed or pillaged by the alliance in the southern barrens and by their own in Stonetalon and the Tauren adapted, by fortifying the hell out of Mulgore.

As for Hyjal, it goes to a neutral faction called the Guardians of Hyjal which are a group of both horde and alliance races(primarily elves and tauren) allied with the green dragons. The other races are there as well aiding in the endeavor.

The elves(as in Darnassus) themselves aren't trying to fix anything either in many areas where they used to inhabit, the Cenarion Circle are or the Earthen Ring are. Both of which are made up of tauren, elves, trolls, orcs and draenei. (I haven't seen any worgen among the CC yet or dwarves among the ER) This could be a game mechanic thing to ease questing since Darnassus wouldn't ally with the horde but the CC and ER are both horde inclusive with the ER being horde exclusive until the Draenei came about. I have flown over quite a bit of elven stuff and Feathermoon in Feralas got drowned so it was relocated to the coast where it seems to be surviving. Also judging by the sheer amount of alliance flight paths I found all over, little outposts exist everywhere so the elves are fine as I am sure quite a few of those belong to them.

Jeedup
10-07-2010, 04:27 PM
Yes, says the avid troll player. But look at the history of the trolls, they've had ups and downs, they've had their time in the sky, and now are still around, but no longer a 'big power'. Also, due to the uniqueness of the race, they're separated by their clans/tribes, even to the point of being completely different sub-species. Night Elves don't have that. They're BARELY hanging on at this point, quite honestly (though thats my interpretation of how they're displayed both in game, and in stories. They cling to cities and villages that have basically been dilapidated, they build very little 'new' things. It's hard to hang onto that after awhile, look at the Forest Trolls for example. Zul'Aman has tried quite valiantly, to return it to their 'prime' and now, its again, in a delapitated state. It's a form of social evolution, in some forms.

Faeriel
10-07-2010, 05:34 PM
(I haven't seen any worgen among the CC yet or dwarves among the ER)

Not sure about the Dwarves yet, but you can check out Garl Stormclaw in Un'Goro Crater for an official CC-aligned Worgen.

Mohan
10-08-2010, 06:39 PM
There is an Earthen Ring dwarf in Vashj'ir - you meet him fairly early on in the zone.

Thalevia
10-08-2010, 07:29 PM
There is an Earthen Ring dwarf in Vashj'ir - you meet him fairly early on in the zone.

Yeah Abric pointed him out to me after I made the post. I'll plead the fact I did Vashj'ir in August.