Orcs > Humans

[Shadowspeak]

I was just thinking about it... but yes, seriously. Orcs > Humans.

I appologize for the randomness of this thread.

[Teelia]

I was just thinking about it... but yes, seriously. Orcs > Humans.

I appologize for the randomness of this thread.

Well, the racial abilities, yes, but that goes for all horde races.

ZING!!!!

But humans are still the hawtest race in the game, even if they do have crappy dances. hehe.

Ok, well the human males are a bit bulky, but the females are hotter than any female orc could ever be (sorry Vilmah, but its true).

So I'm gonna have to agree with Shadowspeak, except for human females. They rule all.

[Shadowspeak]

I didnt mean game-mechanics wise, but yes, that way also, :D.

I meant more like, their history. Lore even.

[EnheilRas]

And their culture

And their civilization

And their Language

And their craftsmanship

And their lifestyle

And their diet..

[Danyxandra]

And their culture

And their civilization

And their Language

And their craftsmanship

And their lifestyle

And their diet..

And their egos

[EnheilRas]

Who one-shotted Mannoroth?

Grom was all "Owned bitch!"

Name one person, any race, that could stand a chance against High Overlord Saurfang?

How many demons did Broxigar kill on his own?

Who solo'd Anduin Lothar while he had Ashkandi?

Orcs baby.
All Orcs.

[Teelia]

Who one-shotted Mannoroth?

Grom was all "Owned bitch!"

Name one person, any race, that could stand a chance against High Overlord Saurfang?

How many demons did Broxigar kill on his own?

Who solo'd Anduin Lothar while he had Ashkandi?

Jerry Seinfeld. Thats who. And he's human!!!

Fixed. haha.

[Emmons]

Who got their asses handed to them not once, but TWICE by the Cylons?

That's right, Humans, not Orcs.

[Lupen]

Lovely/Teelia hits the nail on the head. +5 Points for Lupen not eating your soul this eve.

[Fhenrir]

I actually enjoy all of the races available to us as players.

However, Humans and Dwarves are boring as hell. They're exactly the same in every fantasy story ever. At least our elves are purple.

Warcraft Orcs > All other orcs

[EnheilRas]

When the orcs burst on the scene they were all like, PEW PEW! DIE ROBOT HUAMANS!!! PEW PEW DIE REAL HUMANS!!! PEW PEW PEW!! FOR THE SPACE HORDE!

It's true, go play 40K

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!

[Noury]

And their craftsmanship

..

If you call a stack of large animal bones and tusks held together with sinew string and tanned hides craftsmanship.. then sure.. its owns the Temple of Elune or the Cathedral of Light.. sheesh!

:P

[Teelia]

The other day I saw a monolith appear in the barrens, and orcs were hitting it with bones and sticks.

True story.

[Tarlithion]

Warcraft Orcs > Tolkien Orcs.

Don't see too many Shaman running around Middle Earth in Ten Storms. Maybe if they did, they might have actually won something.

[EnheilRas]

And their craftsmanship

..

If you call a stack of large animal bones and tusks held together with sinew string and tanned hides craftsmanship.. then sure.. its owns the Temple of Elune or the Cathedral of Light.. sheesh!

:P

There's the Blackrock Spire. We built all the Spire.

Drag your ass to Draenor and go see Fortress Auchindoun or Fortress Shadowmoon, or even the Hellfire Citadel! Those are architectural marvels of old.

[Malebrignon]

Hah!

We got the best lookin' women, too.

Seriously. Grooda > Lovely on the hotness scale in my book.

Look at those human hips! Not a one of those women could safely produce more than 3-5 children. So, not only are humans (and elves for that matter) ugly, they are impractical and mostly useless.

Can I get an "Orc Power!" ???

[Thurgo]

Dwarves are boring as hell. They're exactly the same in every fantasy story ever. Moo.

*cough Wildhammer and Dark Iron cough*

[EnheilRas]

The Wildhammer Clan of Northeron was actually based on an Elven Trait of them riding the great flying beasts that is sort of fantasy heritage, but Blizzard decided to give that position to dwarves just to change things up and make them more of a hard-riding mountainmen.

Pfft.. Dark Iron Dwarves.. how is that not tradition?

[Thurgo]

Pfft.. Dark Iron Dwarves.. how is that not tradition?

Whoops...forgot about Duergar and such, heheh...

But, we've still got Wildhammer <3

[Sanrin]

Orcs and humans in this game bore the shit out of me.

Orcs: Waaaah we're so cool cuz we can do. Thall is the best, he can do anything. Oh snap, we live in a fucking sandbox. Oh snap, we got kicked off our continent.

Humans: Oh shizzle, we lost our homeboy king. Lost, our king. Misplaced him. There is a war occuring...because of finance. Our spy owns a cheese house.


Seriously the only Orc/Human relations ive ever been interested in is Warhammer 40k. Because the Empire, Space Marines, and Guard have personality in comparison to the freaking losers in this place. Only reason i took Human is because 1: Paladin class i enjoy and 2: Alliance towns are at least 1000 times more fun to role play around. Everything on horde is a shack...or a shack with another shack ducttaped onto it.

I do like Warcraft Dwarves a bit more then other dwarves though...theres a lot of storyline, and a LOT of character placed into em. They got the random "we like drinking LOLZ" too...but Magni is a character i LOVE, and even the Dark Irons interest me more then...LOTR dwarves with their shitty hole in the wall + demon.

[EnheilRas]

I am insulted.

[Sanrin]

Um..ok how bout this...

Orcs: Waaaah we're so cool cuz we can do. Thall is the best, he can do anything. Oh snap, we live in a fucking sandbox. Oh snap, we got kicked off our continent...

and EnheilRas makes good grilled cheese.

[EnheilRas]

Actually, I make killer chili

But if I recall, we didn't get kicked off "our" continent, we commodored the Kul Tiras Navy and sailed off it to go fight the Burning Legion and left you fuckers to burn under your own fires.

As for our "Sandbox," Which is actually a Savannah Mountain Range, it has more personality in its region than the entirety of Azeroth

[Fhenrir]

As for our "Sandbox," Which is actually a Savannah Mountain Range, it has more personality in its region than the entirety of Azeroth

For lack of confusion, you may wanna call it the Eastern Kingdoms.

And I like Durotar too...

Earthmother forbid someone find intelligent life in that breeding-shack you humans call "Goldshire".

[EnheilRas]

And why the hell did you humans build Stormwind right next to a fucking Volcano?

[Fhenrir]

The same reason the tauren built our capital on top of a tall cliff.

...

In an effort to weed out the stupider people from our society.

[Noury]

And why the hell did you humans build Stormwind right next to a fucking Volcano?

Umm.... better than building our grand capital city directly over top of one!!

*cough.. Ragefire Chasm..cough* :wink:

Although I have to admit female orcs have the junk alright. Got a good view of one walking in front of me last night. :D

[EnheilRas]

If you recall, the Ragefire Chasm was once a huge water supply until the Burning Blade came and corrupted it with their dwarfling troggs.

And the tauren are natural cliff-people.
Since when are the Orcs the weed whackers Fhenrir?

[Thurgo]

And why the hell did you humans build Stormwind right next to a fucking Volcano?

Umm.... better than building our grand capital city directly over top of one!!

Better yet, inside of one, in the case of BRS

[EnheilRas]

Historical Note:

Blackrock Spire was just a mountain before the Dark Iron Dwarves summoned Ragnaros inside it.

But still, Stormwind just went to build it right there after he came.

[Thurgo]

Historical Note:

Blackrock Spire was just a mountain before the Dark Iron Dwarves summoned Ragnaros inside it.

But still, Stormwind just went to build it right there after he came.

Perhaps they didn't know?

The Wildhammer and Bronzebeard could have just 'forgot' to tell the humans, ashamed of what the Dark Irons had done?

[EnheilRas]

How? THEY SUMMONED HIM RIGHT OUTSIDE OF FLAME CREST!

[Hifazat]

Manus you should know better. In WC1 and WC2, Blackrock Mountain is not a 4 minute flight away from Stormwind. The world of Azeroth has been scaled down to what 1/8th of the actual size of the world at least.

A perfect example is Hillsbrad, Southshore and Tarren Mill. In WC2 those are all seperate zones divded by smaller zones in between. In WoW they are all one zone.

I really don't enjoy any of the races in the game lore wise save for the Tauren. The Orcs are just as stereotypical as the Humans its sickening.

The Dwarven races and rolls are stolen from Dragonlance and modified. The Night Elves are very similar to the elves of Shananra.

The over all lore concepts are bored and rehashed. I like the small querks, but one must remember they are by no means complete. The Wildhammer tribe has centuries of lore that has not even been written yet, I would love to read that.

[Fhenrir]

The Orcs are just as stereotypical as the Humans its sickening.

I couldn't disagree more on this. This is one of the few games where the orcs have developed any sense of character, and are more than mindless savage killing machines.

And I know I know, they were corrupted by the Burning Legion and were crazy the first couple of games. They have changed.

To say there isn't clear-cut definition between the WC orcs and other orcs is ignorance, plain and simple.

[Shadowspeak]

Thats why I love Orcs. They are basically one the most powerful races around.

I mean, look at the Ner'zhul.

[Hifazat]

When I say stereotypical I don't mean that they are comparable to other orcs. They do have a richer story line than orcs in other fantasy settings. But the basic story of the orcs is no different than the story of Gondor from LOTR.

The orcs were a peace majestic race who were corrupted and brought down to infamy by one of their own. They went on a rampage and suffered because of this. One of their own learnt from the tragedy that their society had become so became the saviour. This concept exists in almost all fantasy storylines, be they orc or human. From LOTR to AD&D.

Now each story line has their own querks and changes, but the basic story line is the same. Be it Thrall and the Orcs in WoW or Allanon and the Druids in Shannara.

[Fhenrir]

If you wanna start nitpicking at broad plotlines and story archs...

It's all been done. Hundreds of times.

What makes a story special is those "quirks and changes" you brought up, which the orcs of Warcraft are full of.

[Vilmah]

[quote=-Shadowspeak-]
Ok, well the human males are a bit bulky, but the females are hotter than any female orc could ever be (sorry Vilmah, but its true).

No it isn't, but I forgive you for thinking so. Nobody's perfect.

[Teelia]

[quote=-Shadowspeak-]
Ok, well the human males are a bit bulky, but the females are hotter than any female orc could ever be (sorry Vilmah, but its true).

No it isn't, but I forgive you for thinking so. Nobody's perfect.

Yeah, sorry for the flame-bait. Beauty is truly in the eyes of the beholder. I just think the human females are prettier and you disagree. What is important, is that we can both be hawtzorz. hehe.

[EnheilRas]

Manus you should know better. In WC1 and WC2, Blackrock Mountain is not a 4 minute flight away from Stormwind. The world of Azeroth has been scaled down to what 1/8th of the actual size of the world at least.

If it was Elder Scroll's size (Or hell, even Galaxies size per terms of wilderness), I would go as far to say that this could be a perfect game, but alas! There is no wilderness, and there are no true cities.


A perfect example is Hillsbrad, Southshore and Tarren Mill. In WC2 those are all seperate zones divded by smaller zones in between. In WoW they are all one zone.

Which is why is was so easy to destroy!

Gra gra gra gra
luk luk luk luk


I really don't enjoy any of the races in the game lore wise save for the Tauren. The Orcs are just as stereotypical as the Humans its sickening.

The Dwarven races and rolls are stolen from Dragonlance and modified. The Night Elves are very similar to the elves of Shananra.

According to Mezten, the Night Elves were based on Drow, but then just turned around to fit his needs and wants to make it "their version."

But go on ahead, you must know more than me on this, because hell if I ever read fantasy books.


The over all lore concepts are bored and rehashed. I like the small querks, but one must remember they are by no means complete. The Wildhammer tribe has centuries of lore that has not even been written yet, I would love to read that.

Centuries eh? I can pretty much give you a summary.
Dwarves settled in snowy mountains
Dwarves tamed gryphons
Dwarves become isolated from home
Dwarves evolve.

[EnheilRas]

When I say stereotypical I don't mean that they are comparable to other orcs. They do have a richer story line than orcs in other fantasy settings. But the basic story of the orcs is no different than the story of Gondor from LOTR.

The orcs were a peace majestic race who were corrupted and brought down to infamy by one of their own. They went on a rampage and suffered because of this. One of their own learnt from the tragedy that their society had become so became the saviour. This concept exists in almost all fantasy storylines, be they orc or human. From LOTR to AD&D.

Now each story line has their own querks and changes, but the basic story line is the same. Be it Thrall and the Orcs in WoW or Allanon and the Druids in Shannara.

That's not a stereotype buddy.
That's an Archetype.

[Keraph]

Personally, I LOVE sticking to used archetypes. Dwarves better ALWAYS be old, drunken grumblers (Not jailbait lolis like in Lineage >.>), Elves sure as HELL better be prissy and arrogant, Orcs have to be brutish and strong, trolls....well, WoW broke the mold with Trolls, and now it's kinda hard for me to imagine a classic D&D troll. Damn you Blizz! Same with minotaurs. Damn you Tauren!

Besides, we live in an age where everything you can think of, has been thought of. There's a severe lack of originality these days, so stick to the classics!

[Shadowspeak]

I kind of liked the lore behind Morrowind Dwarves, though it's never explained. They werent short stubby drunks, they were highly intelligent engineers that one day all became incenerated.. and no one knows how or why.

Plus, their not stubby, which is a first.

[EnheilRas]

(Not jailbait lolis like in Lineage >.>),

Lineage 2 Female Dwarf = WarCraft Female Gnome + Ragnaros On-line

[Fallacy]

I kind of liked the lore behind Morrowind Dwarves, though it's never explained. They werent short stubby drunks, they were highly intelligent engineers that one day all became incenerated.. and no one knows how or why.

Plus, their not stubby, which is a first.

They weren't really dwarves in Elder Scrolls, they were elves, and were once part of the Velothi race, but formed House Dwemer and tried to use Lorkhan's Heart, which ended up blowing them up into non-existence. Kind of strange that the Sixth House was actually against them at first with the other five Houses, but, when Dagoth Ur went all crazy, they ended up just doing the exact same thing.

[Hifazat]

Fhenrir I agree the querks make it more interesting but they do not make the story arch any more unique. The Orcs of WoW are by best that have been represented by lore. But they follow a very linear story line which is why I said it was common to all fantasy genre's and stories. That is also why I said I enjoyed the Tauren lore more because it is something that has not been done.

You may call it nit-picking. All i see is annoyance at the fact that I questioned the uniqueness of the Orc lore.

[EnheilRas]

Seeing as the true story of the Orcs keeps getting changed every 2 years, I'd say it was somewhat unique.

Who the hell knows what they'll say in 2009?