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Shadowspeak
10-06-2006, 11:57 AM
I was just wondering-

Whats better for an Enhancement shaman? A faster mace, or a slower one?

I'm guessing a slightly faster one for more procs. Someone get back to me on this please?

Fallacy
10-06-2006, 11:59 AM
I think it's just a matter of preference. With a fast mace, you'll have more hits to get that Windfury going, but you'll have harder hits with a slower one. I think it doesn't really matter, since Flurry usually makes the most impact on it.

EnheilRas
10-06-2006, 12:43 PM
You'll be using the Unstoppable Force anyway.

Sanrin
10-06-2006, 12:49 PM
qft

Abric
10-06-2006, 02:41 PM
I thought the speed of a weapon didn't really factor into weapon proc's now?

Was sure I saw something about some equation that balances it out - and essentially... a weapon proc happens the same amount of time for a slow and fast weapon over a given period of time.

...

Or use Rockbiter to just make each hit all the more painful.

Cyrass
10-06-2006, 02:52 PM
Windfury - I always aimed for a medium speed, maybe on the quicker side, to try to get more procs. Some people will argue differently on this.

Frostbrand - Fast as you can get. Generally, I'd stay away from using it though.

Flametounge - Slow as possible. The slower the weapon, the more fire damage per hit. Good choice if you have got some decent +dmg gear

Rockbiter - Just a straight AP buff, don't know if the speed of a weapon has any effect on that.

Marroc
10-06-2006, 03:00 PM
I thought the speed of a weapon didn't really factor into weapon proc's now?

Was sure I saw something about some equation that balances it out - and essentially... a weapon proc happens the same amount of time for a slow and fast weapon over a given period of time.

...

Or use Rockbiter to just make each hit all the more painful.

you're slightly mixed up.

Weapon speed no longer plays a roll in AP benifit for MOST attacks... attacks like hemorhage still get a variable boost from AP based on weapon speed.

Proc rate is determined BY the weapon speed...

The slower the speed the higher the % to proc is... it OVER LONG PERIODS OF TIME evens out yes... but if calculate all of your instant attacks in (which are generating more chances to proc)... having a slower weapon gives you a higher chance per hit to proc.

That make any sense?

EnheilRas
10-06-2006, 04:56 PM
Windfury - I always aimed for a medium speed, maybe on the quicker side, to try to get more procs. Some people will argue differently on this.

The Basic end-all of a PvP. You will be using this with almost every two-hander regardless of spec (unless it's a staff... Go go pew pew!). Just because if they ever get to you in melee range, you want to hit them hard, drop earthbind, and get out of melee range (but too close for them to use ranged abilities), and continue your shocking/bolting.


Frostbrand - Fast as you can get. Generally, I'd stay away from using it though.

This is the pivotal PvP enhancement in Warsong. Use nothing else. Frostbrand erases the stacking of Frostshock. Thus if you can frostshock while getting Frostbrand Procs and earthbind totems, you are essentially being a one-man flag returner that can solo the fastest druid in enough time to kill him before he's out of the tunnel.


Flametounge - Slow as possible. The slower the weapon, the more fire damage per hit. Good choice if you have got some decent +dmg gear

This is generally a PvE when solo'ing or when you need both Strength of Earth and Breath of Wind totems (using your Earth/Air totems, so no windfury totem). Drop Flametongue totem for the extra DPS for your entire party.


Rockbiter - Just a straight AP buff, don't know if the speed of a weapon has any effect on that.

There's so few instances where I've used Rockbiter other than the occassional times they let the Shaman Tank. Then, Rockbiter/Earthshock combos are the only efficient ways a Shaman can control hate when things get bad.

Shadowspeak
10-06-2006, 07:22 PM
I noticed theres a windfury totem and a windfury weapon enhancement.

If I were to drop a windfury totem and use rockbiter on my weapon, they wouldn't stack would they?

Also- How will weapon enhancements be in the expansion with dual weilding shamans? I take it you can only have one on your main-hander

EnheilRas
10-06-2006, 07:24 PM
Your totem will always be one rank lower than your enhancement.

Your Enhancement will always overpower your totem.

How will dual wield work? You got me.. really..

I dunno if you will only be able to enhance your mainhand and have to use a totem for your off-hand.. but that's how I'd do it..

Otherwise that's clearly over 1200 mana to enhance your weapons every 5 minutes.

Fhenrir
10-07-2006, 05:17 AM
Best totem ever was the Sentry Totem.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1848/sentryriplx0.jpg

Cyrass
10-07-2006, 08:56 AM
The slower the speed the higher the % to proc is... it OVER LONG PERIODS OF TIME evens out yes... but if calculate all of your instant attacks in (which are generating more chances to proc)... having a slower weapon gives you a higher chance per hit to proc.

That make any sense?
Makes perfect sence Marroc, but it dosn't apply to Windfury, since the tooltip says it has a straight 20% chance to proc off each hit. This is why, in my opinon slightly faster weapons are better, since that 20% dosn't change on the speed.

Also, Fhen, please stop reminding me /cry.

Maegannon
10-07-2006, 12:49 PM
This is why I don't play meele classes, lol..

With my mage all I have to worry about is +damage gear and intel over crit gear.

With my priest, its all about the + healing and the 5 second rule

with my druid.. well she was resto from level one, so yea, same rules apply as my priest!


Dunno what Ima do if I ever decide to actualy level up Alishondra or Iana or Anysa ;p (...hunters, lol)

EnheilRas
10-07-2006, 12:52 PM
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I have a hard time playing casters.

I hate being out of the shit.
I need to be in the fight.

Hell, even my warlock is up-to-date in his Staff Weapon Skill

Zasein
10-10-2006, 02:21 PM
If you are enhancement, you want a big weapon that hits hard. Rockbiter and Windfury are equally good, and it mostly depends on preference. Perhaps use a shield against warriors and rogues.

If you are elemental-resto, you want a little weapon that buffs your spells and hits fast, preferibly a dagger, and a big sheild that keeps them from hitting you so hard. Put Frostbrand on it. With a high spellcrit, you can get some good damage with Frostbrand, possibly better than windfury, and it slows.

If you are elemental-enhance, it depends on what your fighting. Against meleers, probibly hunters too, use a shield and a quick caster weapon with frostbrand. If you are fighting a caster, use a big hammer with spell bufferage, like finkles lava dredger. Windfury or Rockbiter based on preference, and hit them on the head.