Med'an....mary sue...ow my head

[Hifazat]

http://www.wow.com/2010/05/15/know-your-lore-medan-chogall-and-the-prophecy/

I have not read the comics, but after this summary I feel Lucas could have done a better job.

Can anybody tell me if this wunderkid is actually going to be in game?

[Raynell]

Soo...half human/orc son of Medivh?

I think I read an MRP like that once...

[Hifazat]

Don't forget now 1/4 Draenei for a limited time only!!

[Swerto]

1/4 orc, 1/4 draenei, 1/2 human.

I red the comics and once it hit the Me'dan era it took a sudden dive in awesome.

I don't hate his ancestry so much as I hate the fact that he's a shaman, a paladin, a priest, and a mage... AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME....

[Chikt]

I could just imagine if somebody in-game introduced themselves to me as Med'an, the son of Medivh and Garona Halforcen, a half-Human, quarter-Draenei, quarter-Orc with the ability to use elemental, arcane and light magic.

Hell. While we're at it, why don't we make Med'an an expert marksman, the most deadly swordsman in Azeroth, and a master at Blacksmithing, Alchemy, Leatherworking, Engineering and Tailoring.

[Bloodscream]

Ouch. Did someone ask their 12 year old to cough up some Lore?

Was about age 12 when you thought overly cheesy ridiculously powerful godlings were "cool" right?

Cause by 13 most of us had realized what they were, ridiculously cheesy.

So tell me you're kidding about your Shaman/priest/mage nonsense?

[Chikt]

Ouch. Did someone ask their 12 year old to cough up some Lore?

Was about age 12 when you thought overly cheesy ridiculously powerful godlings were "cool" right?

Cause by 13 most of us had realized what they were, ridiculously cheesy.

So tell me you're kidding about your Shaman/priest/mage nonsense?

Nope. He's like World of Warcraft Jesus. He can use every school of magic (except Fel, it looks like) and is 3 different races at once.

[Necroxis]

I was hoping that the prophecy in the comics came true at the end but I was disappointed.

Perhaps he still does die in some Pre-Cataclysm event, and that also adds to Deathwing exploding into the world.

Aegwynn dying pissed me off too. That whole story arc with Med'an was very fail.

[Abric]

Hell. While we're at it, why don't we make Med'an an expert marksman, the most deadly swordsman in Azeroth, and a master at Blacksmithing, Alchemy, Leatherworking, Engineering and Tailoring.

That sounds like another bullshit character from another series ... involving a wheel... in time.

I haven't read the comics, but I read this guys break-down. Frankly, I like Medivh and I like Karazhan and I like the whole concept of the Last Guardian. What I don't like is where Blizzard's lore is going; Me'dan? Really? You couldn't even give him a fucking original name? Blargh!

I know you need to make new characters to keep the story fresh, but why make super heroes when you haven't even utilized the ones you have now? The whole ... magic... combining... thing, is just weird. Not because it's happening, but because he's some young kid who suddenly is fucking super powerful? I can understand that is Blizzard's way of saying he is "the One"; but it took Medivh 30 years of coma-time to do that! THAT is a good story... it conveys the sheer amount of power and strength in that character; I mean, 30 years is a long time to be knocked the fuck out.

While the Warcraft world doesn't have 30 years, I want to know where the balance of power is ... the believability... the thing that should make me feel connected to Medan, the ManOrcSquid. Again, I haven't read the comics, but I don't see it ... doom.

... and isn't Thrall supposed to be the next Guardian? THAT makes sense; Thrall has a history and he's an established character. Thrall shooting lightning bolts out of his eyes and floating around with fucking super powers CAN be believable. Me'dan? Who the fuck is this guy? Lame.

[Necroxis]

... and isn't Thrall supposed to be the next Guardian? THAT makes sense; Thrall has a history and he's an established character. Thrall shooting lightning bolts out of his eyes and floating around with fucking super powers CAN be believable. Me'dan? Who the fuck is this guy? Lame.

This is the main thing I'm looking forward to knowing the actual truth about.

Perhaps Med'an dies in some pre-Cataclysm event and the New Council of Tirisfal needs a new Guardian because he's dead.

Jaina does approach Thrall in the comics and asks him to be part of the council himself, but he couldn't because of the just-begun War against the Lich King, so he sends Reghar Earthfury (The Orc who ran Varian's gladiatorial team with Valeera and Broll).

If they go down any route with making Thrall the new Guardian of Tirisfal, that method seems the most logical.

[EnheilRas]

ME'DAN IS AVATAR
THE LAST LOREBENDER!

[Necroxis]

Except the Avatar storyline isn't a piece of shit lol

[Swerto]

See, I wouldn't have minded Me'dan's story if they presented it in a way like Avatar, but they decided they'd fill it into 10 short comics and expect us all to like it. Avatar took years, and each episode was longer than all 10 of those comics combined.

[Raynell]

Still, I'd have to agree with one thing, and that's Medivh's decision to tap dat Garona ass.

[Vyn]

Ugh, Med'an... why, Blizzard, why? Next, they're going to tell us that the Horde Goblins actually came from another planet where they lived in peace with the indigenous people until some intergalactic (planetary) space-demons tried to kill them all by using the indigenous people.

That would be some terrible writing.

The more I read about Thrall, the more I like him. He -would- make a good Guardian. But noooooooo, I'm sure it will go to Med'an.

And I'm pretty sure Garona is only a half-orc because full orc women are fugly, and they didn't want to put an ugly female orc into their comic.

[Swerto]

Vyn, Garona was from Warcraft: Humans and Orcs. She's the one who killed Varian's daddy in ze game.

She was half human-orc back then, they retconned it to half-draenei half-orc in the comics, saying that Gul'dan used demon magics to super speed grow her, and told her that she was half human to demoralize her.

[Bloodscream]

Wasn't the whole point of Medivh coming back and getting everyone to work together to stop and kill Archimonde to show them that they didn't NEED a guardian? That the fate of this world had always been in the hands of mortals?

That's the last speech he gives in Warcraft III, post the death of Archimonde.

They change their mind?

[Vyn]

Vyn, Garona was from Warcraft: Humans and Orcs. She's the one who killed Varian's daddy in ze game.

She was half human-orc back then, they retconned it to half-draenei half-orc in the comics, saying that Gul'dan used demon magics to super speed grow her, and told her that she was half human to demoralize her.

Oh, surprised I didn't know that.

Either way, she's way too damn pretty for a dranei/orc.

[Necroxis]

Wasn't the whole point of Medivh coming back and getting everyone to work together to stop and kill Archimonde to show them that they didn't NEED a guardian? That the fate of this world had always been in the hands of mortals?

That's the last speech he gives in Warcraft III, post the death of Archimonde.

They change their mind?

He talks about how they don't need guardians, but I think it's more about him just be like "Oh I fucked up big time bringing the Orcs here and causing a ton of shit, now I fixed it, bai!"


The roots will heal in time... as will the entire world. The sacrifices have been made. Just as the orcs, humans, and night elves discarded their old hatreds and stood united against a common foe, so did Nature herself rise up to banish the Shadow...forever. As for me, I came back to ensure that there would be a future, to teach the world that it no longer needed Guardians. The hope for future generations has always resided in mortal hands. And now that my task is done, I will take my place...amongst the legends of the past.

Just wanted to quote it because it's cool.

Med'an may be a Mary Sue, but this picture is pretty awesome

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090818001159/wowwiki/images/1/1d/WoW25CoverSample.jpg

Most of the New Council of Tirisfal.

[Abric]

... who is he, fucking Jax?

http://www.mksecrets.net/images/mkt/mkt-jaxvs.png


That photo now just makes me feel they are trying to make the "new generation" of hero. Blah! Something is better than nothing... I guess. We'll see how it goes in the future.

I just hope Scorpion is on the Horde side.

[Vyn]

Ugh, no... his picture makes him look worse, IMO. The only way his character could be more mary sue would be if he sparkled. Let me edit that picture and show you how he should look, in his shitty abominationness.

[Necroxis]

...lol

Med'an sucks and is a Mary Sue but it's not the end of the world.

[Vyn]

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae164/chuckthepenguin/WoW25CoverSample.jpg

Is it horde? Is it alliance? NO ONE KNOWS, so we want to make it the Guardian of Tirisfal.

[Necroxis]

http://silverssimstuff.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/ike-facepalm.jpg

[Vyn]

That's definitely a more accurate representation of Med'an. I mean, if you combine three races, two of them being completely ugly, you're not going to wind up looking like some kind of Asian superhero.

[Aleria Fadeleaf]

Here's to hoping that Me'dan dies the same way that Twippy the Gnome did.

[Okhu]

And I'm pretty sure Garona is only a half-orc because full orc women are fugly, and they didn't want to put an ugly female orc into their comic.

I'm going to kill you in your sleep.

[Raynell]

The only thing that disturbs me is that when some RPing dumbfuck tries to pull this character scheme off, anyone with half a brain knows he's a retarded Mary Soa-ing Godmodder, yet if Blizzard themselves had the lore commissioned and sold, it's somehow supposed to be okay. I might be okay with it if, like the confusing universe that comic books live in, it were a story taking place in an alternate timeline. If this gets implemented into the official canon, however, it's just going to set off a lot of alarm bells in those who invest themselves in the story. Yeah, I know a majority of WoW players don't give two shits about the story, but part of the fun of playing WoW is immersing yourself in the world itself. I feel like Med'an would kill the immersion faster than a bloodlusted 25-man toasting through the last of Saurfang.

[Ryoku]

It's official canon. Most everything written in the comics and novels become official canon. However, we might never end up seeing Me'dan in game.

Yet, I feel a mary sue existing in official canon isn't going to kill off immersion. You give one character too much power in an entire expansive universe that goes beyond him.

[Swerto]

You heard it from Ryoku first

According to official canon (found in Day of the Dragon) Dwarven women have beards.

[EnheilRas]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090818001159/wowwiki/images/1/1d/WoW25CoverSample.jpg

GO GO POWER RANGERS!

[Vyn]

I'm going to kill you in your sleep.

I'll still love you, Okhu.

[Okhu]

I think we all agree Med'an is a big Mary Sue loser and Vyn is his best friend.

This thread is pointless besides me going into great detail how Vyn will perish for his horrible insults to the orcish race.

[Vyn]

I think we all agree Med'an is a big Mary Sue loser and Vyn is his best friend.

This thread is pointless besides me going into great detail how Vyn will perish for his horrible insults to the orcish race.

My name is Vyn and I approve this message.

[Okhu]

YOU ARE DEAD TO ME VYN.

[Vyn]

*sad music*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alphaeus]

I'm confused as to what armor class that kid is supposed to wear.

Apparently, he is too.

I wonder if he's gearing for looks, or itemization.

[Vyn]

Gearscore, that's what he's going for.

[Zultingo]

Whoa guys, when did blizzard hire that Hamburger kid from real ultimate power to write lore?
this guy is a ninja too right?

Scorpion better fucking be on horde side.
In fact he is, in the guise of the undead hunter MM hunter that I'm going to make who refuses to use pets.

[Gorvena]

I could just imagine if somebody in-game introduced themselves to me as Med'an, the son of Medivh and Garona Halforcen, a half-Human, quarter-Draenei, quarter-Orc with the ability to use elemental, arcane and light magic.

Hell. While we're at it, why don't we make Med'an an expert marksman, the most deadly swordsman in Azeroth, and a master at Blacksmithing, Alchemy, Leatherworking, Engineering and Tailoring.
And he won Dancing with the Stars and his milkshakes bring all the girls to the yard!

[Ikkorous]

Hey! It's three quarters alliance. Let's kill it.

[Kredorian]

Cavanaugh is Med'an and Alextrasza's lovechild.

Except somehow Deathwing's seed got mixed up in there too so Cavanaugh also has some of his abilities, just the boss ones though, like, shaping the world and stuff.

Cavanaugh is also responsible for Worgen.

And the quests where you have to sift through poop.

So... to be honest, I don't find his lore too crazy, I get it.

[Duroxas]

Yea well, Duroxas is actually the son of Azshara and Nozdormu (because everyone knows that the reason he's dissapeared is to go have a hot love affair with Azdhara). Either way. he's really a timetraveling Naga but he went back in time one day to when Hellscream was fighting Mannoroth and decided to kill the demon and absorb all of his power to become a demon too (wich killed Hellscream because it was too awsome)

He's the world's most powerfull mage/lock/timetraveler dragon/demon, but he's really chil about it and only used his powers to make smoothies

and was also responsible for "additional instances cannot be launched"

so I approve of Medan, totally

[Kredorian]

Cavanaugh is also totally immune to arcane, holy, frost, fire, nature, and shadow, and melee damage.

And just being within 100 yards of him, and being a friendly gives you an auto lay on hands.

He spit on the Dark Portal and it closed.

He is the reason why Jaina cries so much, and how Varian got the scars.

Anduin is HIS child.

He made the Doomhammer with droppings and various metal scraps from Hellfire and Nagrand.... he is a 9001/9001 Blacksmith, engineer, tailor, alchemist.

Not a cook tho, that is what his harem of wimmiz is for.

[Ryoku]

Arokai is actually Cavanaugh's cook.

[opalexian]

I could just imagine if somebody in-game introduced themselves to me as Med'an, the son of Medivh and Garona Halforcen, a half-Human, quarter-Draenei, quarter-Orc with the ability to use elemental, arcane and light magic.

Hell. While we're at it, why don't we make Med'an an expert marksman, the most deadly swordsman in Azeroth, and a master at Blacksmithing, Alchemy, Leatherworking, Engineering and Tailoring.

You forgot 1/2 dragon, 1/2 blood prince, and 1/2 valk'yr. And he would be like uber-lord of all those trade skills, which we won't see until the last patch. He also has a pet otter named Zippo that is as powerful as Atiesh. And also has secret tunnels connecting the two continents together THROUGH the Twisting Nether, just for fun. He also actually has Arthas' heart-the one that's destroyed is a fake.


http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090818001159/wowwiki/images/1/1d/WoW25CoverSample.jpg

He also apparently can wear ALL armor classes at once. UBAR.

But still, I can't help but feel that there is something awesomely Mary Sue that is missing here...(NO, its not you, Cav.)

[Aleria Fadeleaf]

Aleria is the lovechild of Maiev Shadowsong and F.A. Hayek (who time/dimension travelled into Illidain's barrow prison when Nozdormu caught the sniffles). In addition to having the ability to also time/dimension travel, she is the reason why your training costs are unforgivably high (she takes a cut), and all of your auction house deposits belong to her. She is also responsible for the subprime murloc mortgage crisis which is going to hit the markets in three.... two... one....

(BREAKING NEWS! SWAH loses 7000 points! OAH loses 5673! Mae Fannie asks governments for lump sum of gold, threatens murloc invasion of major cities)

[Raynell]

Raynell is the love child of Lady Liadrin and Jim Raynor...and Zeratul.

Need I say more?

[Rethius]

I'm going to kill you in your sleep.

I'll hold him down!


You grab the giant claymore!



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http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090818001159/wowwiki/images/1/1d/WoW25CoverSample.jpg


... TEEN TITANS, GO!

[Agnarr]

Scorpion is horde, though. Just ask Fhenny.

[Jeedup]

I don't hate his ancestry so much as I hate the fact that he's a shaman, a paladin, a priest, and a mage... AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME....

...so was Medivh...thats kinda the point of being the Guardian, only Medivh enjoyed using more 'mage' abilities than anything else. It's also somewhat 'political', as shamanism is very much still has a 'Horde' feel to it, and Paladinism is very much Alliance.

For me, it just seems more stupid cause Me'dan is fucking like, 15 years old. Medivh seemed more hard core cause he had a 10-15 year coma that made him lose his youth and miss out on hop-scotch games with Lothar and his buddies.

[Swerto]

No Jeedup, Medivh was only a mage.

Every Guardian of Tirrisfal all the way up to this point has been nothing but a mage.

[Jeedup]

No Jeedup, Medivh was only a mage.

Every Guardian of Tirrisfal all the way up to this point has been nothing but a mage.

There are sections in the Last Guardian (once I unpack my copy, I have a few of them highlighted I think), he mentions training in priest ways (makes the most sense), he's also very skilled in warlock magics (mostly though, due to Sargeros *sp*, but he still would have acess to them). It still makes sense, especially with the new changes to the Council of Tirisfal, you'd want their representative to atleast be well versed and knowledgeable in the arts that is represented there. Just cause he is 'classified' as a mage, doesn't mean all he can do is throw fireballs and icebolts. Again, its just the annoying age issue that REALLY screams Mary Sue.

[EnheilRas]

Scorpion is horde, though. Just ask Fhenny.

Blood Elf Death knight.

sadly.

[Swerto]

Warlocks ARE mages. And he said he studied in discipline of the light, not that he was part priest and would holy nova your ass. Medivh (just as every guardian before him) was a mage. He was unique because his powers weren't given to him solely by a group of mages, but by his mother.

[Jeedup]

Warlocks ARE mages. And he said he studied in discipline of the light, not that he was part priest and would holy nova your ass. Medivh (just as every guardian before him) was a mage. He was unique because his powers weren't given to him solely by a group of mages, but by his mother.

Mage= User of magic.
Warlock= User of magic.
Warlock=/ Mage.

Bit of a fundamental difference in not only approach, but 'belief' as well. Thats like saying Shamans are Mages....

[Kredorian]

Necromancy is a school of magic.

Nature is not.

The Light is not.

I also /agree with Jeedup.... weird... can you both be quasi right?

Nature isn't a user of magic per se, nor is the light... or so I think... who knows.

[Swerto]

Mage is a very broad term, the mages we know in WoW are arcanists.

Necromancers and Warlocks are both TECHNICALLY mages.

[Jeedup]

Mage is a very broad term, the mages we know in WoW are arcanists.

Necromancers and Warlocks are both TECHNICALLY mages.

I would disagree with how the Warcarft lore is going about classification on things. They have alot of branching 'schools' of magic, that start from the larger group. You can be a Necromancer, but you had started out as a Warlock, and enjoyed the summoning of the dead more, and boom. Arcanists, I believe in Warcraft, are a smaller sub-division of Mages, along the same lines of Conjurers, but I'd have to look that up. The confusing thing is that there are two different ways of calling someone a 'mage', which I think were Swerto's and I's debate started, one can just be a general term, as in, uses some form of magic, while another is well, a ACTUAL school of thought as it were.

[Amoola]

Wow! You know it is bad when I give my *10yo* some of the basics on this new guy and he walks off shaking him head at the whole thing. And the kids is a pretty hard core blizz fan. (he got starcraft for his birthday and has driven us all nuts with info on top of always looking for new lore info on warcraft)

Also someone needs to call the teen titans and let them know we found beast boy and cyborg's love child. they should come and pick him up.

Did blizz secretly contact my 6yo for lore ideas? New guy sounds like something she would have come up with.

[Jeedup]

Thankfully its been mostly just the comic books, so alot of people don't know about him, but with Cata coming...he very well could be a part of the game. Unless they kill him.

I hope they kill him.

[Zultingo]

Warlocks ARE mages. And he said he studied in discipline of the light, not that he was part priest and would holy nova your ass. Medivh (just as every guardian before him) was a mage. He was unique because his powers weren't given to him solely by a group of mages, but by his mother.

warlocks are warlocks.

[Necroxis]

Warlocks WERE Mages. They're pretty much corrupted by some form or another and cannot tap into the majority of their other Mage/Arcanist abilities (And I'm not just talking about for sake of game balance), instead filling those gaps with Shadow/Fel and Demonic magics.

Oh...and Medivh is classified as both a Mage and Warlock in the World of Warcraft RPG...although I would argue that is because he is kinda the Guardian, seeing as regular Warlocks were never given the powers of Tirisfal and were corrupted by Sargeras.

[Aleria Fadeleaf]

I've been secretly (or not so secretly anymore) hoping that Durotar descends into a civil war between the Garroshes and the Saurfangs of the world at some point during the next expansion (think the Shattered Sun Offensive, minus the demons). Maybe that could start with Garrosh murdering Me'dan.

[Gorvena]

Warlocks WERE Mages.
Orc warlocks were shaman.

[Necroxis]

Yeah you're right, sorry I play Alliance I kinda forget Horde stuff when I'm posting quickly before work.

Regardless, the point still stands. Mages and Warlocks are very very different.

[Gorvena]

Yep. Mages are by far superior. XD

[Necroxis]

LIES.

LIES

AND

SLANDER.

[Duroxas]

Yep. Mages are by far superior. XD

You will pay for this insult...

*stalks away*

[Svetlaena]

I hope they kill him.

No. Then he'll be some grand martyr and we'll still not, in essence, be rid of him.

[Grayslin]

I hope they kill him.


No. Then he'll be some grand martyr and we'll still not, in essence, be rid of him.

They killed Kael'thas too......


MERELY A SETBACK!

[Crushem]

Ye gods! Why are people STILL talking about this tool? (referring to Med'an)

[Zultingo]

Yep. Mages are by far superior. XD

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