"Stormrage" and its effects in-game.

[Necroxis]

So...in Stormrage...many places throughout Azeroth become affected by the Emerald Nightmare. These events are supposed to occur after the Lich King is dead (Or at least after the Wrathgate has occurred) but before Cataclysm.

Such things:

Majority of the populace fall into an unbreakable slumber.

Shades of the Emerald Nightmare (In forms of Saytrs and other things) begin appearing.

I've been wondering ever since I finished the novel if these events were going to occur in the game. It seems like they're skipping over the entire event and just going right to "ZOMG THE WORLD IS BLOWDEDED UP!"

While I certainly dislike Knaak's writing and the way he portrays the major lore characters, the book is canon and the Emerald Nightmare is suppose to be affecting the entire world before the plot is resolved and things are back to normal.

I've been wondering if any hints of this are in the game or are going to be added or if they're going to be overlooked.

I think it'd be an awesome RP opportunity if Blizzard actually had some NPCs affected by the Nightmare until they start Cataclysm (Or even the Echo Isles/Gnomeregan stuff)

[Skaadvik]

I remember a thread like this before WOTLK came out.

As far as I know, the game has ignored plenty of what happens in the books simply for the sake of the fact that it's not within the scope of Blizzard's timeframe or ability (or desire) to do. They can't make the game a 100% accurate representation of the world, you know?

It would be pretty cool though.


edit: meant before WOTLK came out

[CytianaMoonarrow]

It would be interesting, to be fair. That, or a small village (IE: Goldshire/Auberdine) to have it happen to them, and there be a quest chain to discover what it was, and eventually find yourself in the Emerald dream, by the end of it. Sort of, like the Battle for Undercity, where you fight with Varian, or Sylvanas.

It'd be interesting to see a quest chain like this.. I'd be all over it in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately though, the drawback to Stormrage, was that Knaak focuses a lot on character relationships, and not on the plot. Sure, he does get it going, but in the end, its easier to see what his focuses are.

[Necroxis]

Yes it did focus mostly on the main lore characters, and rightly so, but eventually Goldshire, Stormwind, Auberdine, even Varian is fallen prey to the Nightmare.

I mean Stormrage is really the first book that could really happen during the WoW timeline. Arthas: RotLK does too but only the end and then nothing really happens aside from the attacks on Stormwind and Orgrimmar, both which also happen in game.

All the other books happen before WoW.

Meh. Fanciful thinking I suppose. Just thought they should add SOMETHING in.

[Jeedup]

Could be part of the pre-release event.

[Swerto]

Patch day.

[Lisbet]

The wolves in Northsire are now diseased for no particular reason - perhaps a link?

[Dahnek]

A number of the starting quests have been redesigned slightly, not just the Northshire wolf quest. Some theorize that has more to do with Cat, but this novel/game connection would be a pretty cool thing if legit

[Swerto]

They source the novels all the time, like the destroyed caravan in wetlands (day of the dragon)

[Necroxis]

Except Day of the Dragon occurred before WoW, and I never claimed they didn't have things in the game, but Stormrage happens during the events of WoW, which is what I was talking about.

[Jeedup]

Except Day of the Dragon occurred before WoW, and I never claimed they didn't have things in the game, but Stormrage happens during the events of WoW, which is what I was talking about.

Wasn't there one other book that happened during WoW? I think early classic?

[Necroxis]

Night of the Dragon takes place post-BC but there really aren't any in-game ramifications because the majority of it takes place in Grim Batol and the area surrounding it. One thing I will give Knaak credit for, though: He made Grim Batol seem really ominous. I'm very excited to finally explore the area.

[Jaster]

I doubt they'd add this in, and it's (to me) more of Blizzard dropping the ball on lore aspects (in part that it was first made mostly by one person, then handed off to authors who had their own view points, and it seems like a lack of central governance in the lore department). However, from what I hear, after Cat, and perhaps another X-Pack is when they plan on doing Emerald Dream / Nightmare content, so I wouldn't expect to hear much of the Emerald Dream other then in chance occurrences (keep in mind, they've been name dropping and building up to the Emerald Nightmare for a LONG time, and what'evers happening there is BIG, like "Woah the Titans didn't see this coming and probably couldn't stop it if they wanted to" big).

[Necroxis]

You probably didn't read Stormrage. At the end they solve a BIG part of the Emerald Nightmare. It isn't completely gone, but a lot of it is destroyed and the storyline is fairly resolved.

They leave it open for shit to go out of control again, but a lot of the current Nightmare has been stopped.

[CytianaMoonarrow]

Just something I noticed.. but would the quest in Icecrown The Boon of Remulos, and the one before that in the quest line (See Crusader Braidenbrad *Sp*), possibly have anything to do with this?

[Alishondra]

Just something I noticed.. but would the quest in Icecrown The Boon of Remulos, and the one before that in the quest line (See Crusader Braidenbrad *Sp*), possibly have anything to do with this?

No. One more time now since I just posted this in another thread ---

The Crusader Bridenbrad quest chain is a memorial for an programmers brother who died of cancer. Its a representational journey about his battle with cancer that he eventually lost.

Its like the questline in Mulgor with the talking tauren kid who lost his dog, the one between stormwind and shattrath from the little girl to the hunter on aldor rise, and the memorial in Barrens for the programmer who was killed in a car accident.

They're not lore driven, and not cannon - just nice tributes to friends, family members, and Make - A - Wish Foundation participants who didn't make it.

[Necroxis]

No. One more time now since I just posted this in another thread ---

The Crusader Bridenbrad quest chain is a memorial for an programmers brother who died of cancer. Its a representational journey about his battle with cancer that he eventually lost.

Its like the questline in Mulgor with the talking tauren kid who lost his dog, the one between stormwind and shattrath from the little girl to the hunter on aldor rise, and the memorial in Barrens for the programmer who was killed in a car accident.

They're not lore driven, and not cannon - just nice tributes to friends, family members, and Make - A - Wish Foundation participants who didn't make it.

Source for this? I know the questline in Mulgor is and you can find proof where they say that, but I have not heard this about the Bridenbrad quest chain.

[Swerto]

The sunwell trilogy happened during WoW's timeline, that shit's in game.

[Alishondra]

Its on the gd blizzard website - the one they did for the aniversary. They made a video and both metzan and the guy did an interview about it.


Here's the page with the video.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wowanniversary/video/

[Swerto]

Its on the gd blizzard website - the one they did for the aniversary. They made a video and both metzan and the guy did an interview about it.
And in the video metzen said that it's part of the lore. If you're going to source something, watch it.

[CytianaMoonarrow]

Something I noticed tonight, as I re-cracked my copy of Stormrage;


She was, after all, the only left of Brox's kin, save for her sole remaining uncle, Saurfang the Elder, who had himself recently lost his son in battle.

New character y/n/m?

[EnheilRas]

Something I noticed tonight, as I re-cracked my copy of Stormrage;



New character y/n/m?

Seems Broxigar had a daughter.

Seems it's sort of a lame "HEY NEW CHARACTER!" because if Brox had a daughter, he wouldn't've been fucking suicidal thinking he had nothing to live for to begin with.

[Necroxis]

It was his niece, not daughter.

[Raziel]

You're not understanding

Broxigar was Varok's Brother.

Thus, if this girl is calling Varok "Uncle Saurfang"
Our deduction is that she is Broxigan's daughter

[CytianaMoonarrow]

But seriously. Would be an interesting addition to the story, wouldn't it?

[Raziel]

lame.

[CytianaMoonarrow]

PMS thattaway --------------- >


Debate v

[EnheilRas]

that's my argument.

You calling it something else because you have no counterpoint doesn't diminish it.
Just makes you seem foolish.

[CytianaMoonarrow]

Oh? You want to hear a counterpoint?

Well, here then.


If Thura [The character in question] was actually implemented into lore, could it possibly mean another contest for power amongst the Horde? Or a little bit of a twist into the whole Nightmare within the Emerald Dream thing playing out? Because, in Stormrage, her only intent, rivalling her kins, was to kill Malfurion.

Albeit, it's later discovered she too is under the effects of the Nightmare, so this may be a null and void point.. however. I doubt all Kal'dore would readily believe an orc. .- .

[EnheilRas]

No, it wouldn't be any contest for power amongst the Horde.

Although, under Thrall, the Horde has attained a good level of sexual equality, the culture as a whole, at least while under Orcs, would not see a female be the warchief. They're not as strong as the males.

The ones that do reach any level of leadership turn out to be psychotic megalomaniacs, full of self-entitlement and downright cruel.

Kind of like that CG Skipper that got fired last year.

[CytianaMoonarrow]

Can you say that Blizzard has said indefitely that it would be that way? Because, Thura, as a warrior would have the name, and the respect owed that of a pretty honorable warrior at her back. If she can pull off her own name, all the way proving herself, and keeping herself alive within orcish society [I'm assuming that come the ascension of Garrosh, things will change], she will/would become a force to be reckoned with. People aren't just going to look at her and go, "Ohlol. Niece of Saurfang. NEXT PLEASE."

[EnheilRas]

Could she defeat Garrosh in battle?

could she defeat her Uncle?

Just because it's a New Horde doesn't mean they forgot Orcish culture. The title of Warchief is given via a duel; by a demonstration of might to supercede that which has been nominated as the best, as it has been since the title was born.

[CytianaMoonarrow]

It's honestly not said whether she could or not, so the possibility is still there, is it not?

[EnheilRas]

No, I wouldn't think she could at all.

The Saurfang line are Blackrocks; cavalry units and fast-attack raiders.

Not a warrior clan like the Warsong.

[Swerto]

Blizzard has pretty much hyped Garrosh up as the baddest mother fucking orc warrior since Grommash died, the only warrior who could stand up to him is probably Varok.

[CytianaMoonarrow]

"What goes up, must come down."

[EnheilRas]

and Thrall is indeed stepping down.

Garrosh is stepping up.

Thrall's been Warchief for what? 9 years?

Not a bad tenure, certainly not a very long one considering his predecessors who served until life (at whatever end).

Knowing Garrosh, he'll certainly take the precedent of the forefather's of the title and serve until death (at whatever end), perhaps spawning some Orclings as heirs.

Hell, next in line is probably Jorin Deadeye.

[CytianaMoonarrow]

I meant that Garrosh won't be the best forever--- and when he isn't anymore, there will be someone behind him, or some kind of contest for power. With Garrosh, I can see this happening sooner rather than later, simply because he isn't orderly. He's completely chaotic, and everything, it seems about him, is a power struggle.

IE:

Horde > Alliance.
"Let's do more in northrend despite we don't have the numbers! GOGOOGOGOGOGOGO!"

[Urivial]

I don't understand the last part of your statement >.>

[Swerto]

What are you babbling about?

[EnheilRas]

He's his Father's son. No one denies that. Butas much as people enjoy blaming Garrosh, he's just a patsy because the Frostwolves and the Internment-Free Orcs that make up the Horde have been aching for some payback and a return to the life that they knew growing up while in the Horde.

It's always been heading back to this. Thrall knows he can't stop it. Garrosh missed out on it all, but the Mag'har are all too willing to jump in and get a piece of the Alliance that's been stalking them for near two decades in the remains of their homeland. There's a lot of emotions that have been running high with the Theramoore thing that's upset the Kalimdor Orcs, as well as the Frostwolf village always being on the verge of complete annihilation.

As a people, the Orcs have been pushed around a lot since the 2nd War. Garrosh is just the right person for the job to shove back and the Mag'hari Warsong enjoy fighting dirty to do that. Garrosh is a person of blame and brutal retaliation. He may blame the Tauren for the loss of his men in Wrathgate because the Tauren were of no help to the Warsong at all in the Northrend Campaign; Cairne was responsible for the Forsaken Alliance which betrayed his clan and killed hundreds of his soldiers, as well as the Taunka allies and Freed Nerubian Allies. He may put blame on the Night Elves for the re-corruption of his Father that lead to Grommash's death. It's obvious that Garrosh's immediate battleplans have called for full frontal assault on all Night Elven lands, and have been incredible successful in wiping out Kaldorei settlements and pushing their borderlines back to their stranded settlements in Northern Darkshore (since Auberdine is going to be destroyed). What do you make of that, exactly? Sounds like he's continuing his father's work to me.

[CytianaMoonarrow]

IE:

Horde > Alliance.
"Let's do more in northrend despite we don't have the numbers! GOGOOGOGOGOGOGO!"


Wasn't Garrosh the one who wanted to push forward in Northrend, and try to either eliminate the Alliance, or just completely take over, despite not having the numbers/strength to do so, or just knowing that it would be complete slaughter? Wasn't Thrall the one to adamantly say no?

[EnheilRas]

Garrosh saw Northrend as his chance to shine. The Azerothien Horde does not know him as a leader. He has one opportunity to prove to all the Orcs in both worlds (as he still needs to prove himself to his own clan and the rest of the Mag'hari) that he is the prodigal son; the successor to messiah.

As vainglorious as he is, he's at least aware that he has one and only one chance and it's this campaign. The larger the victory, the more boisterous the warcry, the larger-than-life the battles, the greater honor that will be bestowed upon him when he returns to Orgrimmar. Everything in Garrosh's future rides on the means of any victory that he, and by he I mean the Horde, as any achievement the Horde makes will be tacked to his direction and leadership in the campaign, makes in Northrend. So he's got to play it up. He's got to be cocky and arrogant. He's got to push as much as possible as hard as possible against everything at once. He's coming in like a whirlwind. He's objective: The people who kill the Lich King need to be his people; the citadel needs to be surrounded by his army. The bastions of Scourge need to be bombed and wiped out by his forces. Anything in his way, even if it actually is helping him meet his goal, is just a distraction. Garrosh doesn't like distractions, he doesn't want distractions. He just wants his army to be there and for everything to go his way.

[Necroxis]

You're not understanding

Broxigar was Varok's Brother.

Thus, if this girl is calling Varok "Uncle Saurfang"
Our deduction is that she is Broxigan's daughter

I know exactly what you're trying to argue. I read the book too. Varok is Thura's only surviving uncle, yet it is stated that she is his niece as well.

Listen to this:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/contests/10-04-stormrage/questions.html

Thura's relationship to Broxigar is that she is his niece. Her entire goal is to avenge her Uncle who, she thinks, was killed by Malfurion. I would seriously doubt Knaak is doing some masterful hinting or whatnot instead of him just overlooking the fact that Varok's only brother, stated in the lore so far, is Broxigar.

The two of them never refer to the other as father or daughter, either.

Regarding Garrosh: He's just a petulant child and now he has an army. You want a badass old school orc? Look at Saurfang. Garrosh wanted to be seen different than his father, but the two are pretty identical. One just isn't corrupted.


Wasn't Garrosh the one who wanted to push forward in Northrend, and try to either eliminate the Alliance, or just completely take over, despite not having the numbers/strength to do so, or just knowing that it would be complete slaughter? Wasn't Thrall the one to adamantly say no?

When they return from Outland, and after the botched peace summit at Theramore, Garrosh suggest they take the entire Horde to Northrend and just attack the Lich King. Saurfang and Thrall (The latter asking the spirits for guidance) decide to be more cautious. Then the duel between the two happens and Orgrimmar is attacked. After this fight he allows Garrosh to go.

[EnheilRas]

So we're meant to understand THERE IS ANOTHER SKYWALKER?

[Necroxis]

They've stated that Thura is the niece of both Broxigar and Varok. Not really much else to say about it.

[Lisbet]

Did either of you boys think that maybe its not a brother?

Could it be that maybe its a SISTER?

Yanno, because, a man (or.. orc) can have only one brother and still have a SISTER too. Would also explain why she's not so well known. Surname change?

"They're my uncles, but I'm not a saurfang. BUT Since there's no one else anymore.. guess I'm it!" -- earning a heratige based on bloodline alone isn't that unheard of. All the sons dead? Bring on the daughters.


Also - there's no use trying to explain or justify an orcs actions in human terms - unless its thrall who's a green human. Orcs are orcs, and they'll do orc things.

[EnheilRas]

Hence, the Skywalker line.

[Swerto]

For being so much older and wiser, you sure don't get star wars. I am dissapoint.

[EnheilRas]

It was only Yoda's dying words.

[Lisbet]

Well I'm hardly wiser - but I did catch the reference. I was just spelling it out for the youngins who wouldn't ;p