Like those Old PVP Titles?

[Broxigan]

Well, you may be in luck!


In Cataclysm, we plan to make the old PvP titles available based on your performance in our upcoming rated Battleground system, similar to the current Arena titles which are based on your performance in the Arenas. Keep in mind, however, that Cataclysm is still relatively early in the development stages and this information is subject to change. We'll have more on the rated Battleground system and associated rewards in the months ahead.


Q u o t e:


Mmm - sounds like rated battlegrounds aren't granting arena points anymore (ie - they're going to have another system)? Or am I reading this wrong?


The current plan is still for rated Battlegrounds to grant Arena points, though some rewards will require a certain rating from this system just as with the current Arena system.

Q u o t e:
Sounds cool!

Just for clarification, when you say 'purchase' do you mean for real life hard cash or do you mean purchased though in game gold, honor points, etc...?


I'm going to clarify my original post, as I don't believe it's been decided yet whether they'll be purchased with Arena points or Honor points, or if a specific Battleground rating is the only requirement to unlock them. There are no plans to make these titles available for real-world money.


We feel they're going to fit well with the new rated Battleground system. The titles were previously earned through a very cumbersome experience that didn't necessarily measure a player's PvP skill. With a new system for measuring performance in the Battlegrounds, we feel it's a good fit to award the honor titles to those who excel. We do not intend for the top titles to be earned in a trivial manner. It's going to be quite hard to get High Warlord or Grand Marshal; and not because it's going to require that someone plays in the Battlegrounds more than everyone else on their realm each week, but because it's going to require a very impressive win/loss ratio.


This is a horrible idea. Another way Blizzard is dumbing down the game and making it easy to get something that in the past was extremely difficult to achieve.


This is specifically the problem. What you say was once difficult to achieve was due to an ill-implemented system that was changed as soon as we prepared to release The Burning Crusade. Difficulty in World of Warcraft should not always be a measurement of sheer time invested. It should be a measurement of your skill as a player while you're in the game.



Please Zar tell us then what happens to all the people who worked hard for their accomplishment? Whether the system was poorly implemented or not is not a great reason to diminish ones achievements that they are proud of.


As I said before, these features are still under development and subject to change. We'll have more details for you when they are available.


Maybe we, the old players, aren't in a number big enough to designers care about... I don't understand polls asking how long are we playing this game and soon after they decide to remove something that separate us from the crowd...

... I mean, these days I don't have time enough to play... my epeen is not that big but was nice to be a member of this club while all people with more time show me all their nice equipment and shine new titles.

I feel like Roy in Blade Runner...


I got my main up to Lieutenant Commander under the old system, which was about as much as I could muster with work and life. Those of us working here have a vested interest in making this the best game possible, both as players and employees. Having said that, the PvP titles were never intentionally meant to be symbols of status for players who happened to participate in the original Honor system. If we wanted that we'd just display the date your character was created below your name. We do however understand that, regardless of our intentions, these titles have become somewhat of a symbol of status in the game. I still wear mine sometimes. This is all being considered as we develop the rated Battleground system and appreciate those who are voicing their opinions in a constructive manner, straying from hyperbole and assumptions.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21333885156&pageNo=1&sid=1#18

As it stands, they hope to bring these back through the rated battlegrounds! I find this to be pretty sweet!

[Villayna]

All they need to do is make the new titles different than the old ones.

like, old = stone guard, new = iron guard

[Evanthe]

I have no problems with them bringing the old titles back.

[Selash]

Likewise, I'd love to see the old titles get brought back. I see no problems with this, but then I got started after the Burning Crusade was launched.

[Cristok]

YEa as a BC Baby I say 'woot'

[Lysimachus]

My troll mage over on Dethecus has the Scout title.

...yeah, I haven't got any complaints about bringing them back!

[Lailinarel]

I like, long as it doesn't get rid of my old title on say, my retired rogue.

[Agnarr]

I'd be happy if I could transfer my PVP title from an old character.

[Skaadvik]

I dig.

[Ryoku]

All they'd have to do for the old titles would be to just add Veteran in front.

Veteran High Warlord. Veteran Grand Marshal. Veteran Stone Guard. Veteran Private. Etc.


This is a horrible idea. Another way Blizzard is dumbing down the game and making it easy to get something that in the past was extremely difficult to achieve.


This is specifically the problem. What you say was once difficult to achieve was due to an ill-implemented system that was changed as soon as we prepared to release The Burning Crusade. Difficulty in World of Warcraft should not always be a measurement of sheer time invested. It should be a measurement of your skill as a player while you're in the game.

Ownt by reality.

I'm starting to think that with this change they are moving their focus in PvP away from arena. Really, depending on what might happen we might not even be looking at arena points or rating anymore and instead just looking at a general PvP rating with which your skill will be measured, and titles rewarded accordingly.

Or they might keep it seperate. I dunno. Just speculating.

[Yatokth]

They'll probably keep it seperate, and just have two avenues to attain gear.

[Kained]

I shouted like a girl and passed out when I read this.

[Derathenus]

From what I understand Arena and Battlegrounds, like you said Yat, will have the same rewards(rated mind you), the difference is only that you could do both to get the gear.

The only rewards that will be different I think...are the titles, and probably unique stuff for the elite of the elite pvpers, no matter if they choose to duke it out in a cage or on the battlefield...

From what I understand, they aren't punishing you for losing a match either, only rewarding your success(at least in a battleground).

I can't wait for rated battlegrounds..I just want to do some premades damnit.

[Alphaeus]

I am all for this.

[Swerto]

People bitch too much, be happy you don't have to work again to get those old titles you busted your balls for, and that you get them for free.

[Skaadvik]

I really hope they don't take away the old PvP titles, or at least throw those people a bone.* Those titles are very prestigious in my eyes. When I see a Field Marshall or a Grand Marshall, they get my respect.

*I originally typed this as boner, and it's worth noting that it would not have been any less relevant had I left it that way. Anyone worthy of my respect likes boners.

[Yatokth]

I like the prestige sort of deal it gives you, Ryoku had the right idea though, you could just be a Veteran -x-.

VETERAN SENIOR SERGEANT YATOKTH BOUT TO RIP YOU A NEW ONE SONNY.

[Lurile]

All they need to do is make the new titles different than the old ones.

like, old = stone guard, new = iron guard

I demand Grand Marshal, the only suitable sub would be Highlord which is already my guild title

In other news, this will be the bomb and if we don't get it i'm planting two 72 sized capital letter Qs into every thread i find on the blizz forums for a month

[Kained]

I like the prestige sort of deal it gives you, Ryoku had the right idea though, you could just be a Veteran -x-.

VETERAN SENIOR SERGEANT YATOKTH BOUT TO RIP YOU A NEW ONE SONNY.

you need a eyepatch and a pipe first.

[Chikt]

Lets face it.

How much of a % of the population of WoW would this change effect if they did remove the old PvP titles, now? It's a very vocal minority that would be effected by it negatively.

That said, I don't doubt that they will put something in place for the people that did have the old PvP titles.

[Agnarr]

Feat of strength

[Chikt]

Feat of strength

That seems likely. Or a replacement title. I don't think they'd go making a bunch of replacement titles, probably just one. Like "Veteran" as has been mentioned, only without the "Senior Sergeant" after it.

[Yatokth]

It already is a Feat of Strength, I doubt they'll add an old title, and just keep the feat there.

[Rethius]

Rename the feat: Original Rankstah


And have it only apply to people who achieved the said rank title back before they first removed it.

[Yatokth]

Rename the feat: Original Rankstah

Can't tell if this is really awesome or really stupid.

[Irontoe]

Can't tell if this is really awesome or really stupid.

It's Retstupidhius. Stupid is in the middle of his name.

[Fynne]

Lets face it.

How much of a % of the population of WoW would this change effect if they did remove the old PvP titles, now? It's a very vocal minority that would be effected by it negatively.

That said, I don't doubt that they will put something in place for the people that did have the old PvP titles.

Your numbers on this are skewed because you're Horde.

At least... Blood Elf population compared to Draenei population (races that couldn't get the PvP titles) would indicate so.

[Gorymoru]

I'm a BC baby too, I'm afraid. That said, I too would love to have a general PvP title system (re)implemented. Or at least BG system.


@Swerto: Stop lying to yourself. i herd u liek buttsecks.

[Ryoku]

Your numbers on this are skewed because you're Horde.

At least... Blood Elf population compared to Draenei population (races that couldn't get the PvP titles) would indicate so.

Not really. I don't see many Privates, Corporals, Knights, or Marshals anymore.

Hell, Naam is the only one I can really think of at the moment that I know has a high vanilla PvP title.

[Lisbet]

Not really. I don't see many Privates, Corporals, Knights, or Marshals anymore.

Hell, Naam is the only one I can really think of at the moment that I know has a high vanilla PvP title.

My Druid's a Knight actually, and actively sports the title ;p Technically she reached Night Champion thanks to trying to help Taelian(and I'm spelling this wrong, fynne might remember how to spell his name) get his Grand Marshal title in BC, but when the "remove the ability to get titles" came out, it only awarded the Knight feat. *shrug*

They'll rename the feat of strength to "Veteran" for anyone who earned the titles pre-bc, but as a Vanilla player who spent three weeks on 3 hours of sleep a night to help someone else - I'm not at all bothered by the rehash and reuse of the titles.

If anything, the idea that they'll have to be EARNED instead of ground, makes me happy. I may have to dust off ol' Mae for some serious pvp healing practice :)

[Cyrass]

My Druid's a Knight actually, and actively sports the title ;p Technically she reached Night Champion thanks to trying to help Taelian(and I'm spelling this wrong, fynne might remember how to spell his name) get his Grand Marshal title in BC, but when the "remove the ability to get titles" came out, it only awarded the Knight feat. *shrug*


This is exactly what happened to me and Champion. (Still, glad that it put me at legionnaire rather than Centurion.)

[Vales]

I have a Legionnaire (Vales) and I worked hard for it, and I've a Knight (Quenya) that I stopped at Knight for RP reasons when I heard they were going to make the top rank your new "click to" rank after purging the system.

I don't think it's too much to ask to have those that got the old ranks to be able to keep them, (with or without a "veteran" pre-amble) and then give the post-Vanilla folks a chance at them. Maybe even a different "set" of names, as both sides have changed a great deal since then. Or perhaps a new set as given by the neutral-we-take-all-comers Crusade. Just a thought.

[Fhenrir]

It's easy to see the skew just by looking at this topic. By and large, you will find that most people who didn't (or couldn't) get the old titles back in the day are largely for this or unopposed. Most of those who did get the old titles will find themselves frustrated or disappointed.

I'm torn. Because I want to get a High Warlord title (and will make a vested effort to do so), but I earned my Lt General title through a lot of invested time and effort. I'll be really disappointed if there isn't some sort of uniqueness added to my rank 11 vanilla title, but that won't stop me from putting my all into earning the new best title.

[Vyn]

I'm just excited about running around as "Corporal Such and Such" again.

CORPORAL FOR LIFE.

[Kredorian]

I shouted like a girl and passed out when I read this.

^This, exactly, and then I went in a dark corner and finished.

Amazing changes.... both the rated BG's and the titles. I can't wait.

[Raziel]

Rank 11 was so fun when we could talk in /4. WorldDefense

Yupyup..

[Boudika]

I know a few people who did the warlord grind back in "vanilla" wow. I know the work and effort (and pure bitchyness) that went into it. It would be a shame if they lost that title.

My hunter however, no clue what rank she was when I stopped the grind, I hope they don't change it though, she needs at least ONE title to hang on to in the old toon home :/

[Raziel]

In essence, it's new players whining that they can't get what players who played previously received.

[Keraph]

If we look at it from a lore perspective (And who does that, amirite?) it does sorta make very little sense that current members of the Horde and Alliance aren't able to gain rank within their respective armies, so there's no reason not to re-implement them. Veteran titles would definitely be a plus to those who got their titles the old way, though. I just wish I would have stopped at Blood Guard before they closed off rank and kept you with your highest title. Sounds a lot cooler than Legionnaire.

[Cristok]

If we look at it from a lore perspective (And who does that, amirite?) it does sorta make very little sense that current members of the Horde and Alliance aren't able to gain rank within their respective armies, so there's no reason not to re-implement them. Veteran titles would definitely be a plus to those who got their titles the old way, though. I just wish I would have stopped at Blood Guard before they closed off rank and kept you with your highest title. Sounds a lot cooler than Legionnaire.

I always roleplayed that those with pvp titles were former military. I know at least one General Duranor who would really miss having his title.

[Agnarr]

Not really. I don't see many Privates, Corporals, Knights, or Marshals anymore.

Hell, Naam is the only one I can really think of at the moment that I know has a high vanilla PvP title.

Every now and then I'll see General Duranor around. Or at least I did.

[Gorvena]

Duranor is still around.

[Lysimachus]

I want to be a Colonel.

[Vyn]

I saw "Private Partz" the other day and was kind of wondering if this was such a good idea.

Of course, I couldn't hear my wondering over my laughter.

[Gorymoru]

Well...Personally, I think that a rank system would make PvP just that more attractive to me. Especially if it's a detailed (but not nit-picky or grindy system). Such as...there are different ranks you can earn for world PvP kills, BG kills, or arena kills. And KBs too, not HKs. So the little assholes can't farm HKs and rock a Lt. Colonel title. (Pricks on Halo and CoD MWF 2....>.<))

[Fhenrir]

And KBs too, not HKs.

This part is a bad idea, because it encourages the mindless pursuit of KBs and discourages healers from even existing. I like the rest of your idea, though.

[Szordrin]

What Fhen said.

I advocate thinking through our thoughts prior to posting.

[Lysimachus]

I saw "Private Partz" the other day and was kind of wondering if this was such a good idea.

Of course, I couldn't hear my wondering over my laughter.

There's a Sergeant Sneakybeard (dwarf rogue) over on Black Dragonflight.

Epic win imo.

[Gorymoru]

Fair enough. I'll recant that statement...but they have to implement something to keep assholes from farming HKs without contributing. It's annoying as all hell.

[Szordrin]

Well, what do you consider contributing?

I know there's alot of people who bitch about those who sit at Blacksmith during AB but it's actually the best strategy to HAVE a healer or two at Blacksmith because it's the fastest way to all the other nodes in that battleground.

If by non-contributing you mean afkers and botters, I BELIEVE Blizz has started to ban/temp-ban/or take back honor gained through using third party programs or sitting on their asses.

[Agnarr]

Remember back when HKs only came from KBs? Horrible time to be a healer. Great for mages though. I racked up the kills standing on that stupid hill in AV where the allies were too stupid to look up and see where the rain of death was coming from.

[Raziel]

you probably have me to thank for that Agnarr.

[Naam]

Taelian

Grand Marshal Taelian vvv

[Derathenus]

My mage, Zilfarimon actually has the Corporal title...damn that toon is old. Yeah hes on Emerald Dream...

[Cedes]

hmmm, I wonder what the ratio's will be and what minimal BG amount has to be played before you can be evaluated for said rank. Ill be damned if I see a dwarf as a commander... IM THE COMMANDER >:O lol.


Grand Marshal Taelian vvv


lol I remember him! he was a cool guy :P

[Taelian]

Grand Marshal Taelian vvv

hey awesome! I didn't even have one of those. Thanks!

[Taelian]

hmmm, I wonder what the ratio's will be and what minimal BG amount has to be played before you can be evaluated for said rank. Ill be damned if I see a dwarf as a commander... IM THE COMMANDER >:O lol.




lol I remember him! he was a cool guy :P

As do I you, and likewise.

[Greke]

Finally, I always hate it when I kill someone, nad it says like killed scout, why still say that if you can't have ranks?

Well hope this goes through

[Lisbet]

hey awesome! I didn't even have one of those. Thanks!

IS THIS THE REAL TAE??!! OMG! *pounce*

[Alekander]

Completely in favor of this.

Though I thinking throwing Veteran in front of the old ranks would be a good idea.

[Raziel]

Well, what do you consider contributing?

I know there's alot of people who bitch about those who sit at Blacksmith during AB but it's actually the best strategy to HAVE a healer or two at Blacksmith because it's the fastest way to all the other nodes in that battleground.

If by non-contributing you mean afkers and botters, I BELIEVE Blizz has started to ban/temp-ban/or take back honor gained through using third party programs or sitting on their asses.

When I was under-level (the *1-*4 in a rung), I would usually take the Lumber Mill over Blacksmith and camp up there, using Eagle Eye/Far Sight on every single point so I can report every single enemy movement to include number and class as soon as they rez and head out.

Most people forget Eagle Eye/Far Sight. They are pretty fucking awesome in AB. The ability to see *everything* no matter how far is the greatest tactical advantage. It's like putting a Sentry Totem in just the right place in Warsong Gulch when defending a flag carrier in a stand-off.

[Taelian]

IS THIS THE REAL TAE??!! OMG! *pounce*






yes


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[Lisbet]

You know Bhaylor and Whitewolf are back too!
I think gralin'll shit bricks and die when he reads this @_@

[Heidenreich]

yes


PROOF: "get 'im back"


Ask...uh....what was it then.......Gralin.... he'll remember lol






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[Taelian]

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[Emyi]

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