Happy Leif Erikson Day

[Emmons]

Happy Leif Erikson Day everyone. Drink some mead out of your horn and then go rape and pillage some Angles while you're at it.

Because that punk-ass Columbus got more credit then he deserved. Asshole.

http://158.130.17.5/~myl/languagelog/archives/krs.png

Extra credit will be awarded for 1) Identification of the image, 2)Translation of the Image, 3)Explaining the significance.

[Gorvena]

So, it's talk like a viking day?

[Anthek]

That's the Kensington Runestone, which tells the story of a party of vikings landed in "Vinland" (what they called the Americas, allegedly), and is seen as proof of the discovery of America at least a hundred years prior to Columbus's journey across the Atlantic. However, it's been widely debated whether or not it is a fake.

[Vilmah]

Because that punk-ass Columbus got more credit then he deserved. Asshole.

You're just jealous that he actually did something with his discovery instead of pillage natives and then leave because the weather was too muggy.

[opalexian]

IN B4 YUSE BETTER TIE EVERYTHING DOWN NOW

Should be good tiemz tonight >: D

[Emmons]

Anthek wins, and points out a theme Thalevia and I have been discussing recently. Archaeology and History professionals seem to dismiss any evidence merely on the basis that it goes against the currently accepted story (and personally I think that's why there haven't been a lot of accepted "HOLY SHIT, THIS CHANGED EVERYTHING" discoveries for some time, when compared to other sciences).

Anyways, personally, I think it's not a fake. They put it under a big-ass microscope and found that not only the tools used to carve the runes were around in the time of the vikings, but there was dust and dirt accumulated in the runes which would have taken hundreds of years to accumulate.

[Vyn]

I read the title and immediately thought of Spongebob.

And also, those runes on the stone look like Tolkien's runes out of the Hobbit.

EDIT: Sort of. Sort of.

[Vilmah]

I'm totally going to watch Pathfinder (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446013/) tonight and eat some steak.

[Anthek]

I read the title and immediately thought of Spongebob.

And also, those runes on the stone look like Tolkien's runes out of the Hobbit.

EDIT: Sort of. Sort of.

The Certh runes that Tolkien created for use as the Dwarf language were taken right from the Scandinavian ones.

Also, @Vilmah, ugh, Pathfinder was a terrible movie.

[Amoola]

Emmons I have to completely agree about your thoughts on north American viking finds, and hell about anything that could be seen as flying in the face of what we know. There is stuff that would completely change how we look at history and it gets passed over as 'fake'.

Think about it we have the remains of long houses on the eastern edge of Canada. (sorry blanking on the name of the location) How big of a leap would it really have to be for the vikings to have traveled a little further to hit what became the east coast of the US?

I have heard about supposed finds in IL and WI (BFE middle of the US) I'm on the fence about those.

Otherwise the Vikings did a hell of a lot.

[Vilmah]

You know why Pathfinder is awesome? Because the main Viking bad-guy is the same guy who voiced the leader of the Vikings who invaded Castle Wyvern in Gargoyles. Therefore I can totally pretend that they are the same character, and that gargoyles exist during Pathfinder.

Also, the main character is hot, and there is a lot of blood.

Also, the Vikings make monster sounds.

Call it what you will, but these reasons alone make it the best Viking movie I've ever seen. In fact, I think it's the only Viking movie I've ever seen, with the exception of the first 30 minutes of that "Thor" movie that was on SyFy a few months back. You know, the one starring the oldest kid from Home Improvement?

[Thalevia]

You're just jealous that he actually did something with his discovery instead of pillage natives and then leave because the weather was too muggy.

They didn't leave. They settled in, built farms and then died off when the climate shifted cold while they were here.

People are always against the theories that counter accepted fact.

See argument surrounding discovery of Clovis and Folsom sites and the current arguments around tools that seem to predate Clovis in the Americas (though I haven't heard too much on this one recently).

[Emmons]

This just in, Columbus still an asshole: "They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance… They would make fine servants… With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want."

[Fjordan]

I read the title and immediately thought of Spongebob.

Glad to know I'm not the only one. >_>

[Skallagar]

I'm not sure how much it should change. The Vikings obviously did not stay long in Vinland (much cooler name than America or Canada, imo). Their impact on the land itself was pretty minute, unless there have been larger more successful settlements found that aren't known to the general public.

The only thing that changes if people accept the fact that the Vikings found America while the rest of europe was cowering in fear is that Tony Soprano will be butt hurt. I mean, first the guys pilliage Sicily, then bear Columbus to the New World? Owch, brah. Preparation H in the medicine cabinet.

It is poor luck that Leif landed in Canada rather than to the south. The Vikings raided for two things, arable land in which to settle, and riches with which to consolidate power back home, both of which Columbus found in bulk on his landing.


Also, I enjoy Pathfinder. Though historically innacurate, I dig how the Vikings look in the movie, how they look like monsters. Kind of like seeing them from the perspective of christian monks a thousand years ago.




Damn it, I am out of mead!

[Emmons]

I got 5 gallons bulk aging back in Richmond...Mead Keg?

[Skallagar]

Thanks to your introducing of that concept, I must do a Mead Keg Stand before I die. Even if it kills me.

[Amoola]

Is the mead domestic or import? I seriously have only found one good domestic mead (though still lacking in the kick the imported stuff has) that doesn't taste like cr@p.

If it is good mead I might have to track me down one of these mead kegs. :)

[Emmons]

It's super domestic, as in home-made with local honey, booyah!

[Vilmah]

They didn't leave. They settled in, built farms and then died off when the climate shifted cold while they were here.

I was joking (muggy weather) and I'm of the belief that they did, in fact, discover America. However, what Chris did is profit from it. So be thankful, unbelievers. If it wasn't for Colombo, we wouldn't have the US, and the world wouldn't have it's most powerful celebrities and award winning reality shows.

[Amoola]

Emmons you do have drinking style. Some day I will brew my own mead. That would kiss ass, as they say. :)

[Raziel]

Also, I enjoy Pathfinder. Though historically innacurate, I dig how the Vikings look in the movie, how they look like monsters.

Please, if the leader had just said one time, "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" I probably would have messed my pants.


rape and pillage some Angles while you're at it.

C'mon you acute little bitch, I'm going to fuck you until you're obtuse.

[Thoraggar]

You're just jealous that he actually did something with his discovery instead of pillage natives and then leave because the weather was too muggy.

Wasn't Columbus with the Spainish, you know the guys who looted, murdered, and inquizitioned thier way from Argentina to Texas?




C'mon you acute little bitch, I'm going to fuck you until you're obtuse.

Thats just not right.

[Raziel]

Columbus was with the Spanish, under King Ferdinand II and Isabella I, but he himself was Italian.. If you read the journals of his crew, you'd know that while he was in around Cuba, he would capture the native caribs and murder them wholesale.

Be that as it may, the land is still named after Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian (who worked for the Medici family of Florence), who sailed for the Portugese.

[Vilmah]

Wasn't Columbus with the Spainish, you know the guys who looted, murdered, and inquizitioned thier way from Argentina to Texas?

Yup, he was working for the Spanish. Like I said; he capitalized. That's why we have America!

[Skaadvik]

You know why Pathfinder is awesome? Because the main Viking bad-guy is the same guy who voiced the leader of the Vikings who invaded Castle Wyvern in Gargoyles. Therefore I can totally pretend that they are the same character, and that gargoyles exist during Pathfinder.

Also, the main character is hot, and there is a lot of blood.

Also, the Vikings make monster sounds.

Call it what you will, but these reasons alone make it the best Viking movie I've ever seen. In fact, I think it's the only Viking movie I've ever seen, with the exception of the first 30 minutes of that "Thor" movie that was on SyFy a few months back. You know, the one starring the oldest kid from Home Improvement?

THIRTEENTH WARRIOR

Also, Pathfinder is fucking kickass.

[Emmons]

Pathfinders suck, you're better off fielding another squad of firewarriors.

[Raziel]

Yup, he was working for the Spanish. Like I said; he capitalized. That's why we have America!

Anyone getting an echo in here?

Most of the raping was done by Cortes (under Charles V) and Pizarro (Under Charles I).

[Skallagar]

Call it what you will, but these reasons alone make it the best Viking movie I've ever seen. In fact, I think it's the only Viking movie I've ever seen, with the exception of the first 30 minutes of that "Thor" movie that was on SyFy a few months back. You know, the one starring the oldest kid from Home Improvement?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvB1jLld1W0
The Vikings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyng77qFMw0
Erik the Viking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-no1Ka7yU
The 13th Warrior

None historically accurate in events, some accurate in portrayal, all entertaining.


-edit-
Also, in the process of digging up said clips I found a pretty good battle scene of Vikings from some euro movie. My only gripe is that Vikings would probably not charge spearmen on horseback, nor do what they did at the end. Oh, and especially lose to Slavs. But movies gotta favor the good guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qra0GqFbM98

[Vilmah]

Also, in the process of digging up said clips I found a pretty good battle scene of Vikings from some euro movie.


There was a movie that recently came out that included black metal in the soundtrack. I don't know what it was called, but Noj wouldn't let me rent it. :( It looked stupid cool.

[Xiphus]

The Certh runes that Tolkien created for use as the Dwarf language were taken right from the Scandinavian ones.

Also, @Vilmah, ugh, Pathfinder was a terrible movie.

That's why I love dwarfs in Warhammer Fantasy. They are just drunk, grumpy, bearded, heavily armed and armored Vikings with enough grudge to fill up an ocean!

That's better than the Norscan, Kurgan and Tong tribes, which are at most insane monstrous Vikings.