PvP camper/ganker list?

[Talarian]

Not sure if this is out of bounds, so I thought I would ask: Anyone care if I post a list of players (and their associated guilds) I've run across that willfully, with intent to degrade another's game experience, camp a corpse in the game world (not battlegrounds) that is as many as 40 or more levels below them? The purpose would be mostly to shame the guilds - if that is even possible with some of these guilds - into dissuading their members from such actions.

For instance, I spend probably about 50% of my time in Stranglethorn Vale simply waiting for campers to leave or get bored with repeatedly killing me. They are typically level 80. I am level 40. Its honorless. I wish Blizzard would introduce some sort of DIShonor system (where you lose honor points) for attacking people significantly below your level, but if it hasn't cropped up in five years I don't see why it would now.

The solution typically offered me is "Why don't you transfer to a normal server?", which is not what I want to do. I enjoy being both the hunter and hunted in the game world, but not when I am endlessly hunted by players that should be off in Northrend and are simply short of anything better to do than stomp characters that have no chance to retaliate.

[Villayna]

Listing them somewhere *public* only reinforces their behavior, so no, please don't do it here. Feel free to make the list and let higher level friends know, though. Anti-ganking is what I enjoy most about PVP servers.

Plus, having an alt to swap to when you have particularly bored 80's after you is a good thing. If they see you log for more than 5 or 10 mins they'll usually move on to someone else.

[Yatokth]

Learn to escape?

[Leiwar]

That is what I love about my druid. We're so good at escaping. (It compensates for my lack of skill at hitting anything.)

[Rand_Shea]

Making a list would only encourage them to do what they do more. There's really no way to deal with them other than getting leveled, geared, and more skilled enough to kick their ass and give them a taste of their own medicine, get some friends together to gang up on them for revenge, or find some way to avoid and get away from them.

Getting camped sucks, but it's part of being on a pvp server. It's part of the game, so, either learn to have fun with it, or perhaps find another server. That's all I can really suggest.

If I were still playing right now, I'd help ya, regardless of faction. ;)

There are a number of people here though who are awesome and will probably help you out, though. Stick around and make some friends. :D

[Talarian]

That all makes good sense. The last thing I want to do is encourage camping. I actually don't mind getting killed by a grossly higher level enemy; that feels fair and standard, even if level 80's should be brave enough to venture out of level 40 zones (and not track you out of town as if you are some prized kill). Its the camping that really doesn't mesh with my sensibilities. I sometimes feel like I'm playing this game with the guys from the football team in high school, all of whom are still back in my hometown working at the gas station and badly in need of an ego boost.

I suppose a dishonor system wouldn't be fair either, lest some lowbie be able to harass the other faction endlessly with the knowledge that each death is a mark against their target. Alas.

[Irontoe]

Now, here's a question for you: what is the point of killing a lowbie if you don't camp them? It's not for the honor. It's for a little bit of fun, or to inconvenience them, or to keep a zone clear for your own faction. If you just kill them once, they do a 30 seconds corpse run and are back to whatever it was they were doing after eating a bagel as if nothing had happened. The only way to make a meaningful impact on another player's experience is to camp them. You don't get honor, but you do get fun and satisfaction, and every one of those kills is more time that the other player is not having fun and you are. Serves them right for rolling a character on the opposite faction, IMO.

The point of a video game is fun, and you are responsible for no one's fun but your own (would you let a baseball drop so that the batter could get a home run and have more fun?); therefore, if you find fun in killing other players, prolong and increase your fun by camping them.

[Rand_Shea]

There used to be a negative honor system, but it applied to killing NPCs and people raged about that... so they got rid of it.

They also got rid of having to wait a day to have honor points calculated, and diminishing returns on honor.

Not that it matters anyway if it's someone killing people 5+ levels below them.

However... there are limits to camping. If the camping crosses zone lines for more than a reasonable amount of distance, then it can be determined as harassment by a GM and can result in a several hour to several day temp ban. The same also applies if there's a noted pattern of behavior that a person is tracking and incessantly following and camping another player no matter where they go*. So... if you feel either are happening to you, then consult a GM via the ingame ticket system.

* = This happened to a friend of mine when she started out on a pvp server... Someone on the opposite faction decided they didn't like her for some reason and dualboxed accounts to find where her characters were and took their max level character to find and kill her repeatedly so she couldn't do quests or venture outside of guarded cities. It continued on for weeks and nothing she did to avoid the guy ever worked because he would show up wherever she was leveling. Finally she ticketed a GM and they banned the guy for a week... then upped it to a month on both his accounts when he logged on his tracking one to roll characters to threaten and harass her.

[Xiphus]

Now, here's a question for you: what is the point of killing a lowbie if you don't camp them? It's not for the honor. It's for a little bit of fun, or to inconvenience them, or to keep a zone clear for your own faction. If you just kill them once, they do a 30 seconds corpse run and are back to whatever it was they were doing after eating a bagel as if nothing had happened. The only way to make a meaningful impact on another player's experience is to camp them. You don't get honor, but you do get fun and satisfaction, and every one of those kills is more time that the other player is not having fun and you are. Serves them right for rolling a character on the opposite faction, IMO.

The point of a video game is fun, and you are responsible for no one's fun but your own (would you let a baseball drop so that the batter could get a home run and have more fun?); therefore, if you find fun in killing other players, prolong and increase your fun by camping them.

Though remember, there is something called 'empathy'. What is fun to you may not be fun to others. To you, it may be fun to camp, but to the victim, it's torment. I make it a point back then to just kill my enemies three times for every time they decide to attack me, but that is the furthest I go when I 'camp'. I usually treat it as a lesson to that undergeared shadowstep rogue that attacking a mutilate rogue in PVP gear out in the open is a very stupid move.

Anyway, to the original question, campers are what you would call 'griefers'. They enjoy being, mind my language, assholes. If you make a public list, you are only encouraging them because you are bringing them to public light, which might as well translate to 'publicity'. To most people, there is no such thing as a 'bad' publicity.

For most ordinary gankers, here is advice number 1: ress in someplace that isn't too far from your corpse, but still has poor visibility. That means, it takes the fellow some time to figure out where you are, giving you that precious time to mount up and flee. Make sure they don't see you. This will most definitely not work well against flyers.

Advice number 2: Join a guild with competent PVPers. They do not need to be top ranking arena players, just someone who at least know what they are doing. Most campers can't PVP someone their own level to save their own live, so when you are in trouble, call for help and you get some....ahem....HEAVY reinforcements to deal with the threat and let them taste their own medicine.

Advice number 3: This one applies to gankers who gank multiple lowbies in a low level zone for the heck of it. Announce their presence in the general chat. Chances are, you end up getting multiple lowbies to summon multiple people from multiple guilds, triggering an all out war in that zone, which would be fun on a massive skill. Some bored gankers do their work just to instigate that to happen.

[Vyn]

Some bored gankers do their work just to instigate that to happen.

Most of us call that 'Hillsbrad.'

[Xiphus]

Most of us call that 'Hillsbrad.'

May also occur in Stranglethorn.

[Swerto]

Just don't quest in Stranglethorn or Hillsbrad. There are plenty of questing zones on both continents, those two are the only 'high population' ones that get the constant camping until you hit hellfire.

[Broxigan]

I never had trouble in Hillsbrad. I ALWAYS have trouble in Stranglethorn...hence why I skip it. Hillsbrad has some of the best places [for Horde right now] to level from mid 20s to close to 30.

[Agnarr]

STV is love.

[Irontoe]

There should be no other 30-40 leveling zone besides STV.

FORGE THEIR HATRED IN FIRE, AND THEY WILL BE FIGHT MOST BRAVELY IN THE WAR TO COME.

[Rand_Shea]

There should be no other 30-40 leveling zone besides STV.

FORGE THEIR HATRED IN FIRE, AND THEY WILL BE FIGHT MOST BRAVELY IN THE WAR TO COME.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD REMAKE YOUR GUILD AGAIN OR SOMETHING HUH?

[Yatokth]

Let your rage fuel your unbridled purples in battlegrounds, then find that ganking son of a bitch and kill his ass.

Because PvP on a PvP server makes me happy.

[Irontoe]

MAYBE YOU SHOULD REMAKE YOUR GUILD AGAIN OR SOMETHING HUH?

I couldn't even if I wanted to.

[Talarian]

Thanks for the advice, all. I have had top level guild members hunt down a couple of campers for me and it is a bit of bliss to watch some griever-sap flee from the first equal level enemy that appears. Further proof that most campers actually stink at PvP, it seems.

Regarding:


...every one of those kills is more time that the other player is not having fun and you are.

...see aforementioned note about high school football players.

[Gorvena]

...see aforementioned note about high school football players.
See Irontoe's avatar.

[Xiphus]

See Irontoe's avatar.

I thought that was Churchill.

[Sejarki]

I stubbornly leveled through STV on my first character. I look back on those times fondly.

My worst camping experience was actually around level 70 where someone camped me for 2 hours or so, later we found out a 'friend' of ours was giving them us our location. Had to do with some dramatic crud I wasn't involved in and I just happened to be collateral damage.

Still love killing that person mercilessly to this day. Sweet vengeance.

[Emmons]

Apparently my comment was deleted because I was mean or something. But my advice still stands, people will kill you because it's a PvP server. If they do, get up and do something else for a while and they'll go away.

Anyways, there used to be a dishonor system, but if I recall, it was aimed more at killing NPCs in towns. I can't remember my last count of DKs, but I was surpassed only by Pincus and Reg. And only then because they exploited the damn instant-respawn in the subway!

[Malorii]

I like keeping the zone clear for whatever faction i'm on, I have both alliance and horde on TN (rp respectively YAY RP!! ) IF i'm on horde, I'll kill you over and over, if i'm on alliance i'll kill you over and over again. I rolled on a pvp server for this reason, I expect to get ganked any time I walk into a contested zone.

I've said this before and i'll say it again. Pvp servers are like strip clubs. We all go in to see some of the purdy ladies and get our hands or dollars in some of the excitement, when you roll on a pvp server and you get upset about getting ganked. It's like walking into a strip club and getting upset because you have a stripper grinding up against you trying to get your attention and all you want to do is play pool and are slightly insulted by female nudity. If you wanted to play pool without some lady without glitter and cheap vanilla perfume for clothing, there are always pool halls without strippers somewhere else, but you chose this one. So you're going to have to grin and put up with smelling like old stripper and trying to get the god awful glitter off your mitts

When you roll on a PVP server, keep in mind that the majority of people on a pvp server regardless of what faction or game you play, is full of black hearted people with little to no morals. I'm one of those people :D

If it gets too bad, call in friends or the local defense channel the tables might turn and then you'll be getting that extra jolly because sweet revenge tastes better when you kill that last boar for that quest and kick who evers ganking you in the balls and light a camp fire next to their corpses for metaphorical purposes.

Some of the best Pvp battles i've had, have been over the opposite faction or me ganking some one, but then again i've never really had morals D: IT is frustrating, but it goes with rolling on a pvp server, every ones gone through it at some point or another in the game.

[Lysimachus]

Mal, you have got to be one of the coolest people I know. I wish you were my IRL friend.

[Lisbet]

I love malorii so very hard. I wish she would play alliance more so I could make out with her in whispers..


wait..


PVP - I both love and dispise pvp servers. I love them, because one in a great while I kill someone with smite and it is fucking HILLARIOUS. Many insane girl giggles are had. I hate it because 99% of the time I die. Yet, I'm used to it. If I'm being camped, I either get up and walk away.. or I get Heid to come beat them up for me. Usually this works, though sometimes it doesn't.

Only one time EVER have I been camped for more then a half an hour - and only one time ever had it been with more then one person at a time (I'm not difficult to kill;p)Ever. In almost 5 years. and I've never not played on a pvp server.

Ganking is fun. Getting ganked is a result of that.

[Leiwar]

I love malorii so very hard. I wish she would play alliance more so I could make out with her in whispers..


wait..


PVP - I both love and dispise pvp servers. I love them, because one in a great while I kill someone with smite and it is fucking HILLARIOUS. Many insane girl giggles are had. I hate it because 99% of the time I die. Yet, I'm used to it. If I'm being camped, I either get up and walk away.. or I get Heid to come beat them up for me. Usually this works, though sometimes it doesn't.

Only one time EVER have I been camped for more then a half an hour - and only one time ever had it been with more then one person at a time (I'm not difficult to kill;p)Ever. In almost 5 years. and I've never not played on a pvp server.

Ganking is fun. Getting ganked is a result of that.

I like whining when I get camped..... but I still like it!
But yes, it's part of a PVP server. If I see horde running around Kaldorei lands, by Elune I will make it hell for them (specially lowbies in Ashevale). And every dk I meet in Icecrown kills me. It's all part of the circle of life, and it moves us all, through despair and hope, through faith and love, till we find our place...

[Malorii]

hehehe I love you too lisbet XD My priesty is level 75 now, or was it 74. I'm waiting for the rested to stack up and once i finish the stupid weaponsmith quest on Velyste then i'm going to go back to alliance, wait for velystes rested to raise and level both of them.

I get lonely on alliance side not as much rp o_O

[Agnarr]

I don't gank because I'll still lose. Lolfury in PVP = fail. And I extremely rarely quest in prot.

[Malorii]

Ha! I can't take on anyone my own level :/ i suck at pvp I'm even worse as a priest XD

[Lailinarel]

The DK system caused you to lose honor rating (not honor) back when we had the rank system, where if you killed enough npcs labeled as Civilian to you, you could actually lose rank. The number was NOT significant, and extremely difficult to make up as you had to wait for honor to be calculated at the end of the week before you would gain honor rating again (the amount you gained being based on how much honor you earned VS the honor earned by everyone else on your faction)

Long story short, if you were on the honor grind, you didn't raid cities cause it hurt your honor grind massively, which was horribly painful to begin with.

Anyway, I feel your pain on the subject of ganking, I think it's rather sad to spoil someone else's ability to enjoy the game because it gives you a hardon to torment someone who can't defend themselves from you. But then, I would rather lose a fair fight than win an easy one. So I'm probably the minority on this subject. Regardless, I love me some pvp and if ya ever need a hand ((assuming you're alliance)) feel free to hit me up on Joringil.

[Fhenrir]

Regarding the OP: the idea for a list came up once before shortly after the inception of the PvP Forum, and I still believe it's a bad idea for reasons already covered. I'll add a note about the idea to the PvP Rules sticky.

Regarding the rest of the topic: The stripper analogy pretty much sums it up, but I'd personally replace the strippers with grizzly bears and the pool hall with lumberjacks in a forest. A lumberjack wants to think of himself as manly no matter where he's cutting down trees, but he's only truly badass if he's fighting bears while he does it.

[Härken]

Regarding the OP: the idea for a list came up once before shortly after the inception of the PvP Forum, and I still believe it's a bad idea for reasons already covered. I'll add a note about the idea to the PvP Rules sticky.

Regarding the rest of the topic: The stripper analogy pretty much sums it up, but I'd personally replace the strippers with grizzly bears and the pool hall with lumberjacks in a forest. A lumberjack wants to think of himself as manly no matter where he's cutting down trees, but he's only truly badass if he's fighting bears while he does it.

I love you.

[Rethius]

I don't gank because I'll still lose. Lolfury in PVP = fail. And I extremely rarely quest in prot.

You're a pretty good Prot warrior mate, I've learned a lot of my tactics from you.

[Grayslin]

A lumberjack wants to think of himself as manly no matter where he's cutting down trees, but he's only truly badass if he's fighting bears while he does it.
http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m324/davetboy_19/72473_lumberjack_commandos.jpg

[Yatokth]

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m324/davetboy_19/72473_lumberjack_commandos.jpg

Gods save us all.

[Okhu]

Yatokth's on my list. *Squint*

[Agnarr]

You're a pretty good Prot warrior mate, I've learned a lot of my tactics from you.

When I'm in prot gear, I charge, shockwave, and hope things fall over dead. Then I start running around in circles. That always works.

[Härken]

Gods save us all.

Lumberjack Commandos > Bear cavalry

[Rethius]

When I'm in prot gear, I charge, shockwave, and hope things fall over dead. Then I start running around in circles. That always works.

http://i36.tinypic.com/29nuffd.jpg

YOU FORGOT DEVASTATE FOOL.

[Svetlaena]

Don't downplay yourself Agnarr. You and I had some pretty solid teamwork going that one day when we went a-ganking. I couldn't have survived without ya there.

I wish I had a better way to put it than Malorii, but man, that analogy is golden.

There are people on this server with black hearts. Blacker than the blackest black, times infinity. I'm known to be one of those whenever I visit Astranaar.

And at the same time I've never stopped complaining about the day the Dusk Watch camped me on my birthday. IT WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.

[Lailinarel]

L2 hamstring, prot warriors.

Or spec piercing howl and waste a ton of rage keeping that up.

Then dance on their heads.

[Yatokth]

L2 hamstring, prot warriors.

Or spec piercing howl and waste a ton of rage keeping that up.

Then dance on their heads.

Or just use your stuns properly to keep someone in range and burst them down with 9k shield slams.

lolilovedualspec

[Vyn]

I got wtfpwned by a prot warrior once.

It wasnt fun.

OH ALSO.

Hit level 80 and GANK. It's fun. I promise.

[Rethius]

L2 hamstring, prot warriors.

Or spec piercing howl and waste a ton of rage keeping that up.

Then dance on their heads.

Or just use your stuns properly to keep someone in range and burst them down with 9k shield slams.

lolilovedualspec



Are you trying to be funny?

[Leiwar]

Are you?

[Härken]

Are you?

Prot does deal fat burstage

[Rethius]

Not really when you compare it to ACTUAL burst classes, like ele shamans, mages, destruction locks, rogues, arms warriors and ret pallies.


You can't show up for a raid in prot spec and be all like: "IMMA HER TEW DPS LOLOLOLOLOL"

[Fhenrir]

Burst does not mean DPS. While it's an obvious fact that a prot warrior does not PvE DPS, a well played and well geared prot warrior has been capable of substantial burst since 2.0.

[Swerto]

Burst is horrible DPS for anything outside of a trash pull...

Burst is much better for PvP, which is why specs like Arms and Retribution kick so much ass when it comes to killing people.

[Fhenrir]

Burst is horrible DPS.

This is pretty much what I was saying. The idea is that prot is capable of very viable burst, which in turn can make for very dead PvP opponents.

[Swerto]

I have learned how to handle most prot warriors, prot pallies still present a huge problem, I usually fix it by dragging them to their deaths in the clutches of my non-existant pocket rogues.

[Lailinarel]

Are you trying to be funny?

Not in the least actually. Stance dancing, (believe it or not) is still a staple of good warrior pvpers. Sure, you can sit in defensive stance 24/7 and do fine, but why? Granted, you can just stun / lolburst your way to victory with retarded shield slam damage, but against a skilled player who knows how to fight a prot warrior (I'm talking duels here mind you) it's not always as easy as lols, charge, conc blow, shockwave, SS. GG.

And anyone who doesn't appreciate the value of snares in pvp clearly needs to spend more time pvping. Nothing beats getting kited to death as prot (our least kitable spec by a long shot) cause you didn't bother to Hamstring and don't switch to zerker to intercept.

[Yatokth]

Not in the least. Stance dancing, (believe it or not) is still a staple of good warrior pvpers. Sure, you can sit in defensive stance 24/7 and do fine, but why? Granted, you can just stun / lolburst your way to victory with retarded shield slam damage, but against a skilled player who knows how to fight a prot warrior (I'm talking duels here mind you) it's not always as easy as lols, charge, conc blow, shockwave, SS. GG.

And anyone who doesn't appreciate the value of snares in pvp clearly needs to spend more time pvping. Nothing beats getting kited to death as prot (our least kitable spec by a long shot) cause you didn't bother to Hamstring and don't switch to zerker to intercept.

I heard you like Warbringer (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=57499).

Hamstringing isn't always a great idea against all targets actually.

It's certainly useful against things like hunters or mages, but for some other classes, don't even waste the global. You'll keep up with a Paladin, a Priest, a Warlock, a Shaman, or even a Death Knight (you might want to string when they IBF though, or reflect chains of ice lul) with just stuns and charges.

It's also good against other melee (Warriors, Rogues, Ferals) because you don't want them running away (Rogues, Ferals) as much as possible or you don't want them moving out to charge you. (Warriors)

Unfortunately, 24/7 hamstring uptime is a bit outdated, due to the fact that burst is so retardedly high that each global, rather than your whole pace and overall use of utility, matters more.

The thing with hamstring being, it's there to prevent you from being kited. When you can break out of most every ability used to kite you with your gap closer, unless the opponent has GRATUITOUS amounts of snares/roots or is 5-8ing you, it's not worth it. Ironically, the two classes that have gratuitous amounts of kiting are the same two classes that can 5-8 you reliably, mages and rogues.

Oh and if you chain Conc Blow into Shockwave or vice versa for lockdown purposes (It's fine for running away/damage), you're an idiot.

At least throw in a silence inbetween if you HAVE to use both stuns right after one another. DR hurts.

[Lailinarel]

I could find all the tiny loopholes and cracks in your logic, but somehow seeing as how we're both fairly competent warrior pvpers and both kind of have a clue, I think that an argument between the two of us over the usage of snares as a warrior is mostly going to be both of us sighting points and the other saying 'Duh, -BUT *insert situational flaw in logic*-'.

It goes without saying that any experienced pvper knows that there's some times where you want to do X against class Y and there's times when you don't because they'll just counter it with ability Z, however my point was aimed more towards folks who might be less experienced with prot pvp, simply encouraging them to make good use of their stance dancing and the abilities that it gives them access to. Such as hamstring and your longer cooldowns.

Anyway, if this discussion is to continue I suggest it be split to a separate topic seeing as how this has nothing to do with the OP.