Army of the Dead.

[Rethius]

So I was dueling a mate of mine, and just as I accepted his challenge he started channeling his army of the dead.

So by the time the countdown ended, most of his ghouls were out.

Needless to say I was wtfpwned.

My question is, what would have been the best thing to do... For any class really, when facing a swarm of of AotD ghouls?

[Ryoku]

Earthbind totem => Grounding Totem => Ghostwolf => Run like hell.

[Swerto]

Die with some dignity.

It's like a paladin using lay on hands, it's a mechanic that's not meant for 1v1.

[Cessily]

FoK + SPrint + CoS (lol ranged magic attacks) + Vanish

And pray CoS and Vanish work.

[Rand_Shea]

Use a feral pet and spec it to have 'Charge' to stun him out of channeling it for more than a second, rocket boot*, explosive shot, Concussion shot, Serpent Sting, and kite kite kite kite kite lather rinse repeat until one of you is dead.

* = Requires engineering

[Swerto]

He's a warrior, FYI, so he's fucked.

[Yatokth]

Shield Block, spam Revenge on the DK, Reflect the inevitable Chains of Ice, chain into shield wall and keeping Revenge'ing if needed, you can also be ballsy and just pop retal.

But do not Bladestorm into them, they'll eat it all.

Since you're prot, just tank it up, use shockwave to mitigate after block goes down.

[Vyn]

Or if youre a DK, you could begin channeling army of the dead as well and throw out your gargoyle. And then CoI the other guy and let your magic work. And when the ghouls get to you just spam a scourge/plague strike for the slow. Then run til your stuff kills him. Or go past his ghouls and kill him.

[Catilyn]

Mind Freeze them while they are in the middle of channelling, then laugh your ass off at the fact you interrupted a 20min Cooldown Ability and locked out his Unholy School at the same time.

[Grayslin]

Mind Freeze them while they are in the middle of channelling, then laugh your ass off at the fact you interrupted a 20min Cooldown Ability and locked out his Unholy School at the same time.
He can't interrupt in this situation, as the dk starts channeling before the duel flag becomes active.

[Cyrass]

Best solution for a Shaman is the Fire Elemental. It EATS AoTD, gets out much quicker, and will help you on the DK after.

In general, you want to stun him while he's channeling though.

[Chikt]

Best solution for a Shaman is the Fire Elemental. It EATS AoTD, gets out much quicker, and will help you on the DK after.

In general, you want to stun him while he's channeling though.

I love using Fire Elemental on AotD. It's like a massive "fuck you" because it eats all the little zombies alive and then burns the shit out of the DK, and there's nothing they can do about it.

If I could say anything to a DK when they do that to me, it would be "YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!"

[Trigin]

For a rogue stealth until the the ghouls despawn

[Ryoku]

I suppose that's a good idea. Burn a 20 minute CD with a 20 minute CD.

[Broxigan]

My favorite thing to do on my paladin is Holy Wrath so they are all stunned just before they hit me. Then I Divine Storm, Cons, step back and either some are dead or close to it then Rep or HoJ the DK until all the Ghouls are gone.

[Vyn]

If I could say anything to a DK when they do that to me, it would be "YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!"

Macro that bizniz. I'd laugh my ass off if I saw that.

[Faeriel]

For a Prot Paladin, you just laugh and step into it. All those stupid little ghouls are doing is feeding you mana with every feeble attack.

[Vyn]

Old school prot pally's with reckoning + quick sword and board wouldve eaten that so hard. The dk may as well have just let you win.

But I dont know what reckoning is now, so meh.

[Agnarr]

Old school reckoning pally solos Kazzak in 5 seconds. Well, with some prep time.

[Svetlaena]

I got relatively good at surviving these. The best way I've found a disc priest can counter a DK popping this cooldown is by using my own cooldowns:

Pain Suppression (to reduce damage) + keep PW: Shield up as much as possible (of course a staple of any disc priest rotation in PvP) + Power Infusion (to reduce cast time and mana cost) and then just healtank through it, using Scream to keep the DK off you whenever you can. Then I'd Shadowfiend as soon as the Army was gone to get that mana back.

This has always been golden for me, and only failed when I decided NOT to use both said cooldowns out of "I'll need it later"-ism.

[Yatokth]

I love using Fire Elemental on AotD. It's like a massive "fuck you" because it eats all the little zombies alive and then burns the shit out of the DK, and there's nothing they can do about it.

If I could say anything to a DK when they do that to me, it would be "YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!"

You should macro it. XD

[Tsu]

i think the real question is what kind of fucking terrible dk needs AotD to win a 1v1


hell, gargoyle is overkill half the time

[Svetlaena]

i think the real question is what kind of fucking terrible dk needs AotD to win a 1v1


hell, gargoyle is overkill half the time

Also this.^

[Keldorin]

My favorite thing to do on my paladin is Holy Wrath so they are all stunned just before they hit me. Then I Divine Storm, Cons, step back and either some are dead or close to it then Rep or HoJ the DK until all the Ghouls are gone.

This ^

But also,
As far as that guy popping that in a duel though, that is pretty sly crap. Not much of a duel that way. As an arms warrior, (( Assuming this is what you are?)) I would suggest just blade storming right into it, this way he can't lock you up to much or interrupt you so that his little ghoulies can come right on in. After that follow up with a demo shout and shockwave if they are still at you then focus on the DK, if you must. Maybe use sweeping strikes, but I don't know what you rage would look like or if you would have it to spare.

Dwarf question by the way? I might be thinking old school, but do Dwarves still have Stone Skin or whatever? And if so, can you use that and then blade storm?

[Chikt]

I see SO MANY DK's using AotD for PvP.

And yet, you know what?

Not that many Shaman use their elemental totems.

[Keldorin]

I see SO MANY DK's using AotD for PvP.

And yet, you know what?

Not that many Shaman use their elemental totems.

Shamans are raised with more dignity and honor?

[Yatokth]

This...

As far as that guy popping that in a duel though, that is pretty sly crap. Not much of a duel that way. As an arms warrior, (( Assuming this is what you are?)) I would suggest just blade storming right into it, this way he can't lock you up to much or interrupt you so that his little ghoulies can come right on in. After that follow up with a demo shout and shockwave if they are still at you then focus on the DK, if you must. Maybe use sweeping strikes, but I don't know what you rage would look like or if you would have it to spare.

Dwarf question by the way? I might be thinking old school, but do Dwarves still have Stone Skin or whatever? And if so, can you use that and then blade storm?

No no no no no.

For one, Bladestorm and Shockwave are 51 point talents in different specs.

DO NOT BLADESTORM INTO AOTD. It will eat it all up and killing the ghouls is a waste. Turtle up, use Shield Block to spam Revenge on DK, and Shield Wall if needed.

He's also Prot.

So same strat really, you can just conc blow and shockwave to keep the DK in range along with SR the Chains.

[Chikt]

I'm going to only PvP once every 20 minutes when my Fire Elemental is available.

IT'S A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY.

[Vyn]

AotD is terrific in a turtled WSG. Makes life SO MUCH BETTER. Hell, I applaud the opposing DKs when I see them use it and then I win. WSG used to be epicly long.

/shudder

[Keldorin]

No no no no no.

For one, Bladestorm and Shockwave are 51 point talents in different specs.

DO NOT BLADESTORM INTO AOTD. It will eat it all up and killing the ghouls is a waste. Turtle up, use Shield Block to spam Revenge on DK, and Shield Wall if needed.

He's also Prot.

So same strat really, you can just conc blow and shockwave to keep the DK in range along with SR the Chains.

That doesn't mean it isn't still viable to use, 10% slower attack rate is still 10% slower attack rate. I imagine you know more about this than I do though, just started working on learning Arms warrior again so... yeah.

[Svetlaena]

I'm going to only PvP once every 20 minutes when my Fire Elemental is available.

IT'S A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY.

It's sad knowing there are people who really do think this way.

[Yatokth]

That doesn't mean it isn't still viable to use, 10% slower attack rate is still 10% slower attack rate. I imagine you know more about this than I do though, just started working on learning Arms warrior again so... yeah.

You're thinking of Thunderclap. Shockwave is the cone AoE stun at the bottom of Prot.

Thunderclap is the AoE that slows attack speed. And it's not worth the GCD, on the ghouls or the DK. Use that time to pump more damage into the DK via Revenges.

[Tsu]

I'm going to only PvP once every 20 minutes when my Fire Elemental is available.

IT'S A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY.


what happens when what you're fighting one shots the totem

[Keldorin]

You're thinking of Thunderclap. Shockwave is the cone AoE stun at the bottom of Prot.

Thunderclap is the AoE that slows attack speed. And it's not worth the GCD, on the ghouls or the DK. Use that time to pump more damage into the DK via Revenges.

Words... I fail at them... And this is truly what I get for playing a prot warrior for so long. Yes, I meant thunderclap. But yeah, I hear switching to sword and board to soak damage is the way to go in pvp as a warrior, so again, you are probably right.

[Chikt]

It's sad knowing there are people who really do think this way.

There are some DK's that every time I've fought them in the world have popped AotD to fight. They're more likely than you think.


what happens when what you're fighting one shots the totem

Cannot one shot Fire Elemental totem, it has like 20,000 HP. It's a 20 minute cooldown, man. If you could one shot the totem to take out the Elemental, I'd reroll.

[Tsu]

oh did they buff that

yea, shows you how much i pay attention to fire elementals in pvp

[Chikt]

oh did they buff that

yea, shows you how much i pay attention to fire elementals in pvp

Shows how often you likely SEE them in PvP.

Actually, from what I'm reading here, killing the Totem no longer kills the Elemental. Totem has 2K HP, and killing it does nothing - the Elemental sticks around without it.

[Keldorin]

Shows how often you likely SEE them in PvP.

Actually, from what I'm reading here, killing the Totem no longer kills the Elemental. Totem has 2K HP, and killing it does nothing - the Elemental sticks around without it.

If the totem is killed off but the elemental remains, can you then pull out a different fire totem?

[Chikt]

If the totem is killed off but the elemental remains, can you then pull out a different fire totem?

No, that removes the elemental.

[Keldorin]

No, that removes the elemental.

Which means our off topic investigation into the science behind the awesomeness of Fire Elementals is all for not. -cries deeply-

[Agnarr]

Naught?

[Keldorin]

Naught?

When I first saw this post I had no idea what the heck you were saying, so I looked around on the page before this to try and figure it out, then I found my post. Naught indeed.

[Chikt]

The change to Fire totems being able to do Fire nova will at least mean that I can keep Totem of Wrath down and be able to do ungodly amounts of damage with it, so that's at least something.

... right?

EDIT: OSHIT THOUGHT. Fire Nova... FROM THE FIRE ELEMENTAL TOTEM.

LOLZ.

[Rethius]

I was kinda shocked when he first did it. (it was a duel for a rp, so I really couldn't call him out on it. Rethius starts a LOT of fights with DKs.)

Anyway, I first blew my shockwave, which worked nicely, I missed maybe two ghouls with the cone.

Next I popped my shield block and began to back up slowly, while facing the ghoul swarm - a classic tanking tactic.

But my real problem cropped up because I couldn't focus on stopping the DK's attacks, I was too focused on surviving the zombie orgie.

That is no doubt a fault of my own, I tend to become overwhelmed easily in PvP, more so when there are tons of targets prancing all over my screen.


My health began to plummet pretty fast so I threw up my last stand and shield wall - this helped a little.

My main fault was that: YES I could keep his ghouls from turning me into dog meat, but.

I could not both keep myself from becoming ghoul chowder AND bring the DK down.


. . . I need to go gear up.

[Yatokth]

I was kinda shocked when he first did it. (it was a duel for a rp, so I really couldn't call him out on it. Rethius starts a LOT of fights with DKs.)

Anyway, I first blew my shockwave, which worked nicely, I missed maybe two ghouls with the cone.

Next I popped my shield block and began to back up slowly, while facing the ghoul swarm - a classic tanking tactic.

But my real problem cropped up because I couldn't focus on stopping the DK's attacks, I was too focused on surviving the zombie orgie.

That is no doubt a fault of my own, I tend to become overwhelmed easily in PvP, more so when there are tons of targets prancing all over my screen.


My health began to plummet pretty fast so I threw up my last stand and shield wall - this helped a little.

My main fault was that: YES I could keep his ghouls from turning me into dog meat, but.

I could not both keep myself from becoming ghoul chowder AND bring the DK down.


. . . I need to go gear up.

Use your defensive CDs, then pretend the ghouls aren't there. Don't attack them, don't worry about them, just let them run into your shield and give you rage.

Then focus on the DK.

[Svetlaena]

That is no doubt a fault of my own, I tend to become overwhelmed easily in PvP, more so when there are tons of targets prancing all over my screen.

Yea, this is a problem I still have in PvP and it really messes me up. I can practice and study methods all I want but I still have that situation quite often where I just lose my head for whatever reason and performance drops dramatically. Flailing.

But the more you practice against a certain class, the less likely you'll end up flailing all over the place.

[Tsu]

pretty sure if in an rp duel some wanker is popping AotD you should go stock up on invis pots and wait it out

[Vales]

If I see someone channeling AotD before I've accepted the duel, I'll just wait to click the "accept" button until they fall over dead. Gee, I didn't even have to waste a single cooldown to defeat the DKs big 20-minute cooldown for a DUEL. Terribad DK.

Now, mind you, someone did try this to my paladin mid-duel. I HoJ'd or Arcane Torrented the spell cast. He got maybe two ghouls out, which worked for me, and gave me 0 incoming damage, kept redoubt up, and gave me free mana. Thank you generous hosts!

[Skaadvik]

I always get giddy when DKs pop AotD around me. I already have Righteous Fury up, so I just cast Holy Wrath, Consecrate, go back to healing, and watch them all die.

[Rethius]

If I see someone channeling AotD before I've accepted the duel, I'll just wait to click the "accept" button until they fall over dead. Gee, I didn't even have to waste a single cooldown to defeat the DKs big 20-minute cooldown for a DUEL. Terribad DK.

Now, mind you, someone did try this to my paladin mid-duel. I HoJ'd or Arcane Torrented the spell cast. He got maybe two ghouls out, which worked for me, and gave me 0 incoming damage, kept redoubt up, and gave me free mana. Thank you generous hosts!

He started channeling just as I clicked accept.

there is a 3 second countdown before you can fight.

[Vales]

Then as others have stated, charge/shield bash to break the last of the channel, and then just Shield Wall, stun-lock through it. Once you're done with your passive cleanup of the ghouls (you do have the reflect damage on shield, aye? pop block after wall is done). Keep close to the DK, stuns are good, silly though it may seem, shield bash is good (silences do affect some of their skills) and slams to knock off any self-buff he's got up beyond the presence. Sure, it's a matter of making good use of your cooldowns versus his cooldowns, but it is doable. Don't forget to fear his pet and then wail on him for 8 seconds solid of non-early breaking fear. Sure his pet will be immune, but I'm pretty sure it still jumps to the nearby targets for this scenario. (Yat, Ker, other warriors, please correct me if I'm wrong on that last part.)

[Rethius]

Yeah, Intimating shout freezes its target in place, but adjacent targets run off.


Wouldn't work on the ghouls, but targeting a ghoul with it would make the DK run off.

I never really thought about that. Thanks.

[Vales]

Was more concerned the the fact the ghoul is undead and thus "immune" if it would even jump to a second target, but yes, plenty of good strategies here.

[Yatokth]

Yes, Int shout jumps to the DK if you fear the pet, even though it's immune. Catches so many DKs off guard, blows trinket so you can usually close a health gap with a full duration intercept.

[Draekon]

Warstomp could buy you a little time if you're a tauren as well.

[Emmons]

Plant a few wall nuts, and a few pea-shooters. Make sure you leave a space between them for those pole-vaulters.

[Vyn]

Yeah, Intimating shout freezes its target in place, but adjacent targets run off.

Intimating Shout? Are they overcome with lust or something?

[Härken]

Steps on WTFPWNING on Army of the Dead.

Welcome this tutorial will help you and your friends learn how to survive army of the undead!

Remeber when being faced with this mindless pack of boneheads you must remeber these three main rules.

1.) Remain calm and collected be ready to react at a notices second.

2.) Remember that terrain can also be your best friend, the ghouls will no matter what have to go AROUND a hill or drop.

3.) Always assume the deathknight is always bad and or stupid.

Fantastic now we may begin with the proper steps on handling a ghoulish army!

Step 1.) Paladins you were given holy wrath for a reason aside to it's amazing 2k Aoe Damage with no limit it also will stun Targeted undead for 3 seconds, A great tool to use in these situations!

Step 2.) AoE damage is by far your best friend as said in step one, Using attacks like Divine storm Consecration and Holy wrath will eliminate most of the ghouls from your presence in a matter of seconds, regardless while following Step one and Step two remember to mock the deathknight by running around in circle and kiting it with a good repentance so that you can avoid most of the deathknights Damage while picking apart his army.

Step 3.) Great! your almost done most of those pesky ghouls should be gone by now so now it's time to roll in the hammer of LOLIJUSTSLAPPEDYOUINTHEFACE and begin applying massive dps to the Main target the Deathknight, Your following AoE attacks should tear down more of his army by now but remember to continue applying your Art of War procs to healing yourself during Steps one and two it will definitely give you the advantedge. (If most of them are not out of the way repeat steps one and two.)

Thank you for watching this tutorial on Zombie survival this is Willie Toledo, Till next time Amigo.

[Rethius]

Intimating Shout? Are they overcome with lust or something?

Yep, ghoul orgy.