Why do the Horde not want Ally Shammies?

[Teelia]

A serious question. Why do the horde not want the Alliance to get Shaman? I'd like to understand this.

As Alliance, and someone who has played a pally to 60, I don't mind the fact that horde are getting paladins. So why all the horde hate on this, as I've seen several places?

[Danyxandra]

I don't get it either other than there's a lot of grumbling about a lot of aspects everytime there's change because people don't like change. Alliance getting shaman is one of them. Lots of horde on other servers, or so I've read lurking their boards, are also curling their lip at paladins coming to their own side, or pointing it out as "proof" that blood elves don't belong on horde side.

People just like to whine and complain. Like about the crashed spaceship and lore shifting. It's good to be passionate about things, but some people take it overboard, or maybe people have different values of what overboard is and isn't.

I think it's great that alliance is getting shamans, and hooved characters with accents that drip with Transylvania.

[Teelia]

My first thought was that the horde was irritated because now they will have to know what its like to deal with totems...but it can't be that simple, can it?

[Vilmah]

Well, the thing is, I liked how we had two classes that neither could play. It made the sides more unique. It gave people who didn't like playing "ugly" ((arghhgh!!! *strangle*)) characters a reason to play Horde, and vice versa. Now, we're kinda even. Which has it's good sides because there's less complaining, but also, it's downsides. One of them being the lore rape.

I mean... seriously. They stole the light?

[Karkarov]

I think the main complaint is the simple lack of difference. alot of it centers around there being a straight difference in class choice between alliance and horde. Now everyone will have access to every class. Also I think Draenei will be so sad it is bad. They can be paladins and shaman... the two classes most used by people because they are touted as "easy mode". So playing draenei will become like the new "these guys have no skill" label soon enough i am willing to bet.

[Teelia]

Well, the thing is, I liked how we had two classes that neither could play. It made the sides more unique. It gave people who didn't like playing "ugly" ((arghhgh!!! *strangle*)) characters a reason to play Horde, and vice versa. Now, we're kinda even. Which has it's good sides because there's less complaining, but also, it's downsides. One of them being the lore rape.

I mean... seriously. They stole the light?

This is gonna sound strange coming from me (a Roleplayer who is pretty avid about continuity), but I really don't care about the lore.

The lore is there, even if its messed up, for us to peel stories from. Even if the lore was messed up enough to where Fonzie and Lt. Frank Drebin were involved in the new expansion, I think I could make a character that worked. Besides, the majority of the characters out there don't know a heck of a lot of the history or lore....I know I have a level 60 pally that still isn't sure exactly where the light came from or why she was chosen to weild it, much less whether some elves stole it.

The lore thing really doesn't bother me in the least.

As for the horde getting an attractive race, I think thats great! Now people like me who like to play "Hawt" characters will finally have an excuse to try and level a horde character to 60. Oh, and dancing naked on mailboxes.

And speaking of hawt elven races belonging to the horde, is it true that they're going to put a tram in Orgrimaar? hehe. :wink:

[Vilmah]

Now people like me who like to play "Hawt" characters will finally have an excuse to try and level a horde character to 60. Oh, and dancing naked on mailboxes.

Goshdammit, I hate you people... ><

[Danyxandra]

Well, the thing is, I liked how we had two classes that neither could play. It made the sides more unique. It gave people who didn't like playing "ugly" ((arghhgh!!! *strangle*)) characters a reason to play Horde, and vice versa. Now, we're kinda even. Which has it's good sides because there's less complaining, but also, it's downsides. One of them being the lore rape.

I mean... seriously. They stole the light?

This is gonna sound strange coming from me (a Roleplayer who is pretty avid about continuity), but I really don't care about the lore.

The lore is there, even if its messed up, for us to peel stories from. Even if the lore was messed up enough to where Fonzie and Lt. Frank Drebin were involved in the new expansion, I think I could make a character that worked. Besides, the majority of the characters out there don't know a heck of a lot of the history or lore....I know I have a level 60 pally that still isn't sure exactly where the light came from or why she was chosen to weild it, much less whether some elves stole it.

The lore thing really doesn't bother me in the least.

As for the horde getting an attractive race, I think thats great! Now people like me who like to play "Hawt" characters will finally have an excuse to try and level a horde character to 60. Oh, and dancing naked on mailboxes.

And speaking of hawt elven races belonging to the horde, is it true that they're going to put a tram in Orgrimaar? hehe. :wink:

I totally agree with this here, especially the part I put in bold print.

[Teelia]

Now people like me who like to play "Hawt" characters will finally have an excuse to try and level a horde character to 60. Oh, and dancing naked on mailboxes.

Goshdammit, I hate you people... ><

<3 Vilmah.

:wink:

[Vilmah]

<3 Vilmah.

:wink:

Aghhhhh!! *pulls on hair*

[Noury]

<3 Vilmah.

:wink:

Aghhhhh!! *pulls on hair*

She just can't stand the fact she will have future competition! :wink:

[Vilmah]

She just can't stand the fact she will have future competition! :wink:

Lies. My type of man doesn't go for the waifish angry type.

[Danyxandra]

She just can't stand the fact she will have future competition! :wink:

Lies. My type of man doesn't go for the waifish angry type.

How about the Bug Bunny type with a slight mana addictions?
*smiles coyly and bats eyes*

[Vilmah]

How about the Bug Bunny type with a slight mana addictions?
*smiles coyly and bats eyes*

Definately not. My type of men like eerily submissive girls with big... muscles.

[Danyxandra]

Pfft, cousin Danlily was submissive to that smelly undead....thing. I'm too pretty to be in a cage, no matter how golden. *fluffs hair*

[Vilmah]

Pfft, cousin Danlily was submissive to that smelly undead....thing. I'm too pretty to be in a cage, no matter how golden. *fluffs hair*

*looks around for Chingaso* Little help here??!

[Sanrin]

I look at the expansion with a mixture of joy, and sadness. For quite a few reasons...firstly, we lose the one thing that makes me happy...being unique. I like the fact that i play my class, play it well, and the horde cant have that. I love the jokes, the lolpaladindps, and i love everytime a horde /spits my class...because then they lose to me. Somehow, the planets align, they die, and I KNOW its burning them up. Every /spit /laugh /gloat /pity means that when i kill them, they get that much more angry. Everytime MY class beats THEIR uber dps godmode class, makes them look stupid...after all, who loses to a paladin?

And i think its the same thing horde side. There are a LOT of shitty shamans, just like there are shitty paladins. Being one of the best makes you not only unique to your side of the battle...but to even your own limited class. Its a sense of style, flair, and pride that was unable to be taken from us...until now. I dont WANT shamans because i love to fight them, and fight them alone. And i think that most shamans feel the same. Ultimately we've nothing to LOSE in a tangible sense from gaining each others classes. More noobs on each side maybe, but that was destined to happen when the races were announced.

Its an intangible emotion, thats being challanged by Blizzard in this case, and that enough makes me willing to strangle the life out of every Blood Elf stupid enough to pick MY class and enter contested territory.

[Leyujin]

I haven't seen any gameplay complaints from Horde about Alliance getting shamans, because gameplaywise, everyone from raiders to pvpers knows we're getting the better end of the deal.

We're getting Paladins. And the raiders will get aggroless healers and buffbots and aggro reduction, and the pvpers will get invulnerable healers and blessings of freedom for the FC and protection for the other party members getting beat on.

But I HAVE seen people irritated that we're losing our "culture", so to speak. Shamans and the elements belong in the Horde, not the Alliance. All the way back to Warcraft II, Bloodlust was with the Horde, and became the signature ability of shamans in Warcraft III. And why are Blood Elf Paladins with their ridiculously pathetic reason of stealing the light in the Horde? Fan service and game balance, nothing more. I will gladly take advantage of their crap and make the Horde more powerful because of it.

[Daala]

I wouldn't mind the exclusivity, except you can't roll both factions on PvP servers. And I do NOT warm to the notion of hopping servers just to play a Paladin.

To me, moments of intense conflict bring about the strangest changes. Compare pre-WWII Europe to post-WWII Europe. The national boundaries alone go nuts. I don't really mind Blood Knights. I think the best describe the Azerothian state of affairs would be SNAFU, so almost anything goes.

Plus, it'll provide more freedom in level architecture. Not to mention I'm sick of finding Lightforge anything.

[Sanrin]

Oh I know the horde are thrilled, alliance has nothing to gain and horde has nothing but benefits, as always.

[Shadowspeak]

Oh I know the horde are thrilled, alliance has nothing to gain and horde has nothing but benefits, as always.

totally not true! Alliance have so many advantages! Ony key is just ONE of the many my friend!

[Sanrin]

Ouch. You totally got me. How bout I trade you ony key for your racials? Or that warchief buff. That sounds more fair.

[Shadowspeak]

Ouch. You totally got me. How bout I trade you ony key for your racials? Or that warchief buff. That sounds more fair.

The buff goes away when you die... nothing really that special. And Humans have a shitload of racials. Though, I will give you that Horde have better racials all around.

[Sanrin]

Id rather a buff that goes away but is around as long as someone is doing UBRS then...an easier to do quest line. : P Long story short, whats happening is happening, most I can hope is that every goku wannabe goes hordeside.

[Shadowspeak]

Id rather a buff that goes away but is around as long as someone is doing UBRS then...an easier to do quest line. : P Long story short, whats happening is happening, most I can hope is that every goku wannabe goes hordeside.

the sad thing is I can see that happening with the Asian-style haircuts...

sigh.

[Sanrin]

Like i said, i can only hope.

/pray

[Kaliera]

My first thought was that the horde was irritated because now they will have to know what its like to deal with totems...but it can't be that simple, can it?

It's always different on the other side of the fence. As a Hordie, I see more people bitching about Horde getting Paladins than I see with Alliance getting Shamans. I'm also dripping with anticipation to see how the Alliance copes with lolimmune plate healers bubbling themselves, healing through invincible barriers, and granting our priests physical immunity in "oh shit" situations. Blessing of Freedom is going to be hot sex too. Screw totems, you guys can have them. =x

[Tarlithion]

Blessing of Freedom's effectiveness has an inverse relationship with the opposing faction's Shaman's ability to hit their "Purge" hotkey.

[Sanrin]

It wont be a big deal for us...remember, we're used to fighting our own class now and then. Plus look at the priest "mass dispell". gg bubble if they wanna spend 1k mana. I intend on only inviting a maximum of...4 shamans to Empyrean Dawn. Maybe...

Maybe they'll be alts too. I really cant see them being useful.

[Emmons]

You can have our shammies.

We just don't want yer stinkin' bubble boys.

/rude Sanrin

[Sanrin]

Bwahaha!

[Emmons]

Nagga Please

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/MattManv2/NagaPally.jpg

[Kaliera]

Blessing of Freedom's effectiveness has an inverse relationship with the opposing faction's Shaman's ability to hit their "Purge" hotkey.

Quite true, but this is also affected by a priest's single target dispel, which both sides have access to. Sadly, many priests forget they even have dispel when it comes to PvP. :/

Edit: Emmons, your icon is the best thing I've ever seen. Ever.

[Cedes]

Nagga Please

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/MattManv2/NagaPally.jpg


no...


FELORCS FTW!!! :twisted:
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4324/screenshot103yi1.png

[Vilmah]

FELORCS FTW!!! :twisted:
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4324/screenshot103yi1.png

HAAAAWT!!!

[Shadowspeak]

Blessing of Freedom's effectiveness has an inverse relationship with the opposing faction's Shaman's ability to hit their "Purge" hotkey.

Quite true, but this is also affected by a priest's single target dispel, which both sides have access to. Sadly, many priests forget they even have dispel when it comes to PvP. :/

Edit: Emmons, your icon is the best thing I've ever seen. Ever.

not me!

[Kaliera]

Blessing of Freedom's effectiveness has an inverse relationship with the opposing faction's Shaman's ability to hit their "Purge" hotkey.

Quite true, but this is also affected by a priest's single target dispel, which both sides have access to. Sadly, many priests forget they even have dispel when it comes to PvP. :/

Edit: Emmons, your icon is the best thing I've ever seen. Ever.

not me!

/lick

[Castor]

I'm rolling a BE pally. There's a few reasons behind my decision:

1) Out of all the classes I've ever played, I am the best at paladin. They are extreemly overpowering when played correctly and I have fun playing them that way. I miss my other two pallies, but not so much their servers.

2) My partner in crime (some of you know him as Polluxx) is loving his Orc Warlock, the toon he wanted to be since the game was released but I wanted to be pally so bad that he gave in and went human warlock. This was pre-TN days.

3) I feel that Warlock/Pally is going to be the best all around 2 vs. 2 arena team there is, so Polluxx and I will be owning all face in that capacity.

4) I lead a successful horde guild with about 40 people who are all extreemly active and will continue to lead it when the expansion comes out.

I am not choosing blood elf paladins for any other reasons then they are paladins who are Horde. Their Anime characteristics and "beauty" have no input in my decision. It's all about them being paladins and being Horde.

Although I do think that there will be a lot of people rolling BE's and BE pallies for the wrong reasons, but what are you going to do? They may attract a certain type of person, but those people are playing the game somewhere, at least now they'll all be in one place so we know who to avoid. ; )

[Shadowspeak]

I will be grinding to 70, pronto.

[Danyxandra]

Ya know, I never ever considered playing a pallie before....was planning on a rogue. *ponders*

[Daala]

Ya know, I never ever considered playing a pallie before....was planning on a rogue. *ponders*Hehe, Kirtar's going to be one.

[Tarlithion]

Although I do think that there will be a lot of people rolling BE's and BE pallies for the wrong reasons, but what are you going to do? They may attract a certain type of person, but those people are playing the game somewhere, at least now they'll all be in one place so we know who to avoid. ; )

I plan on rolling a Blood Elf Paladin on VCo myself. Why? To show those freaking Allies just how irritating it is when somebody bubbles at 19%.

That, and Paladins are boss.

[Fhenrir]

Nagga Please

That paladin has an Ashkandi.

You fail!

[Chingaso]

Pfft, cousin Danlily was submissive to that smelly undead....thing. I'm too pretty to be in a cage, no matter how golden. *fluffs hair*
*looks around for Chingaso* Little help here??!
Here! :P

((IC))Only good elf dead elf. Not want sneaky high elfs in Horde. Chingaso not trust. Chingaso never trust elfs.

You can have our shammies.

We just don't want yer stinkin' bubble boys.
((OOC))Now that's what I'm talkin' about! :evil:

[Vilmah]

Pfft, cousin Danlily was submissive to that smelly undead....thing. I'm too pretty to be in a cage, no matter how golden. *fluffs hair*
*looks around for Chingaso* Little help here??!
Here! :P

((IC))Only good elf dead elf. Not want sneaky high elfs in Horde. Chingaso not trust. Chingaso never trust elfs.

You can have our shammies.

We just don't want yer stinkin' bubble boys.
((OOC))Now that's what I'm talkin' about! :evil:

YEAH!! See THAT's why we're related!!

[Danyxandra]

I've never considered playing a paladin because I'm a horde mentality through and through and there weren't pally's on horde side... and I've never liked the way paladins were RPed (quite often as self righteous sanctimonious hollier-than-thou cardboard heroes). Right now I'm playing on Venture Co (alliance side), trying out different classes so I'll know for sure what I want to play when the bloodelves come out and I come back to TN full time, because I know I've played hunter to death and need a change.

That being said, I'm trying rogue and paladin over on Venture Co. (the paladin with Lovely/Beauty's wonderful encouragement...YAY BEAUTY!!), and I'm finding I really, really like paladin. My favorite classes in other games is always tank class, I like being up in the mobs face and smelling the blood on their lips watching the life drain out of their eyes close up...er, *cough* yea, sorry, enjoying that description a little too much. Anywho...*checks nails*...I'm really really liking paladin so I'm seriously considering playing one.

I don't know what is motivating others to plan on BE pally's, so I don't understand why so many people are dissing and hissing about "so many people are going to roll BE" and "everyone and their kid brother is going to roll a BE pally". I don't mean to be one of the so-despised crowd, but I pay to play and I'm excited about the bloodelves, it's what's bringing me back to the game, to play a new race. I've played tank through so many mmorpgs in other games and thoroughly enjoyed it so I'm pretty sure I'm going to go pally with my bloodelf. Does that make me one of the bad kiddies that everyone is thumbing their noses at?

[Sanrin]

I dunno what kinda paladins you're looking at but most of the ones alliance side that DO rp are pretty mean. Most paladins lore wise have had global understanding to every living being really...they can even sympathize with the undead. But a lot of paladins I've run into Alliance side have had an agenda (my character included). Its pretty sweet.

[Danyxandra]

The paladins I was looking at were all those paladins from other games. One of them followed the hubby and I to WoW to the first server we landed on and he was a perfect example of the pally's I'd known in other games and described (sanctimonious blah blah blah).

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't play Alliance very long when we got to WoW and then quickly went horde, so I've really had no contact with paladin RP in this game, since we can't cross faction interact RP and all. So sorry for that bit of confusion, my RP experience with those that play pally are restricted to the other mmorpgs I played because since being horde I never interacted with any pally's here but for Lovely....that's why I've ignored the class up to this point. Now that I'm trying it out, I'm finding I really like it.

[Vilmah]

My only paladin character was a former brothel whore.

In retrospect, she was kind fun!

I just couldn't lvl her past 8...

[Dewce]

How about the Bug Bunny type with a slight mana addictions?
*smiles coyly and bats eyes*

Definately not. My type of men like eerily submissive girls with big... boobies.

QFT

[Jobolg]

Honestly, I have little to no problem with each faction gaining access to the other faction's unique class. What I have a problem with is the race Horde is recieving to utilize that class.. Blood Elves? GAH! I haven't really looked into them too much, but I pray to all that is holy the rumors of them being able to be hunters are horrible and odious lies. I'll be reporting a name every two minutes!

I would have been happiest if that one little rumor going around for a while was true. You know.. Pandarens. Pandarens would so be FTW. I'd roll one instantly.

[Keraph]

Still, it does make sense that they can roll hunters (And they can, it's true). Hey, it's a hell of a lot more lore-compatable than paladins!

[Sulajin]

The problem I'm having with Blood Elves is, mostly that they don't seem at all close to the rest of the Horde. The Horde are the monsters, plain and simple. The Trolls are scary as shit, the Orcs have been the humans foes for at least 3 major wars, and the Tauren are cows.

They all seem to be united in a certain primal feeling, or a beastial aspect to their natures. Blood Elves don't really mesh with any of that. They aren't primal, they're fel magicians. They aren't beastial, they are the epitome of beauty. What?

Although I must say I'm even less pleased with the Alliance race (who's name I can not remember.... off hand.). Basically, they're demons. They are Archimmonde and that crowd. So to be in the Light nuts alliance? Seems more like someone the Pallies would be more likely to call a crusade against than anything. And somehow during the transition to not a demon they got really really in tune with the spirits and Light? Pft. Next they'll be joining up with the Cenarion Circle.

[Keraph]

You seem to be conveniently forgetting the Forsaken, who are mostly humans that have been at WAR with the Horde for quite some time. And mind that it is through Sylvanas, our leader, that the Blood Elves are joining.

[Daala]

Blood Elves are a very muddy race. They've been blood enemies with trolls for centuries, but not the specific tribe that is a part of the Horde. The difference between the Orcs of the First and Second Wars and the Orcs of the Third War is comparable to the difference between the High Elves and the Blood Elves.

One big problem is that I can't see much of a reason for the Alliance to have reservations with the Blood Elves, no more of a reason than the Orcs would distrust Warlocks. But we have Orcish Warlocks. I can see alot of reasons why the Blood Elves would want no part of the Horde.

My biggest problem is the linguistic system. Did every single Blood Elf suddenly forget how to speak Common and learn flawless Orcish? The other stuff is murky, but this is just flat-out stupid.

I don't know. I'm just going to roll with it.

[Sulajin]

I wouldn't say that I forgot about the Forsaken. I'd just lump them under the "Beastial" description I mentioned. THough I can see why that would be very easily argued against. Fact is that they are monstrous frightening things. So they could fit in with the monstrous frightening horde. At least in appearance.

As for Orcish Warlocks... well based on what I see in game, there aren't a lot of them, and they are struggling to prove that they aren't out to summon the Burning Legion or whatever. Just playing through the Valley of Trials showed me that much.

[Daala]

I could just as easily see the Blood Elves struggling to prove the same thing to the Alliance. But instead, the "irreconciliable differences" card's been played.

[Fallacy]

Blood Elves speak Thelassian. Lordaeron had it's own dialects of common, which is why Gutterspeak is different as well.

[Keraph]

It's a matter of pride, something the Elves have a lot of. The Alliance betrayed them and treated them like second-class citizens at best, and even worse, abandoned them in their time of greatest need. The Alliance (Other than the Night Elves) is not particularly opposed to the Blood Elves, but the Blood Elves choose to regard the Alliance as their enemies for past unforgivable transgressions.

[Sanrin]

When it comes to languagues....I remember in the actual game...every race could speak with one another...


Hmmm...

[Keraph]

That's a whole different issue that I'd wish they'd resolve.

By the way, thanks for your understanding a few days ago Sanrin! Couldn't have someone gank my party member, and I'm glad you didn't....wreck me afterwards!

[EnheilRas]

which is why I don't let the language barrier be of any context in my stories.

It never did in the games.

[Keraph]

Right. As far as Keraph is concerned, he can write and understand perfect common. He just doesn't care about whatever the Alliance has to say as he's killing them.

[Fhenrir]

The language barrier didn't exist in the original Beta, either. At least not in the beginning. It was implemented because of people flaming eachother.

The Alliance and the Horde could group together too. So much for that.

Thank stupid/immature people for the language barrier.

[Danyxandra]

The language barrier didn't exist in the original Beta, either. At least not in the beginning. It was implemented because of people flaming eachother.

The Alliance and the Horde could group together too. So much for that.

Thank stupid/immature people for the language barrier.

Yea, that. It's really too bad too because the RP here instead of being awesome would be absolutely phenomenal.

[Nadea]

wow, immature people lose. That really makes me sad, the fact that I could have actually been able to talk to the alliance! Would make the RP around here perfect.

[Daala]

Blood Elves speak Thelassian. Lordaeron had it's own dialects of common, which is why Gutterspeak is different as well.That's not what I'm getting at. The Blood Elves were part of the Alliance. Can't have an Alliance without a way of communicating with all members within that Alliance. Common seems the best choice, due to the word "common." Regardless of the preferred language of each respective race within their established national boundaries, there had to be a uniform method of communication which is lacking in the expansion.

[Fallacy]

Blood Elves speak Thelassian. Lordaeron had it's own dialects of common, which is why Gutterspeak is different as well.That's not what I'm getting at. The Blood Elves were part of the Alliance. Can't have an Alliance without a way of communicating with all members within that Alliance. Common seems the best choice, due to the word "common." Regardless of the preferred language of each respective race within their established national boundaries, there had to be a uniform method of communication which is lacking in the expansion.

Except, only the leaders and merchants and such who actively interacted with the humans would have a need to. High Elves were always very xenophobic and secretive, and the common people never had a reason to learn it.

[Alucian]

The language issue is just best ignored. If you want your BE to speak fluent Common, then write the stories and RP him/her as such. Blizzard doesn't even adhere to these rules...or else Alliance couldn't take quests from orc/tauren/troll/Forsaken NPCs, and vice versa.

As far as lore is concerned, lore shmore. I love the Warcraft lore, but not so much that I can't accept the creators making changes. I also never cared that Lucas changed who shot first, so *shrug*. I guess, from a writer's standpoint, I'd rather that I be allowed to make changes to my own story to accomodate whatever ideas I have than have to listen to the teeming masses who bite my ass demanding I never change a thing. Ah, excuse me? I wrote this, thanks. I'll change it how I damn well please.

As far as the Horde getting a "pretty race" is concerned, I think a lot of people here are spoiled by the teetering balance in population TN has. On my old server, the Alliance to Horde population ratio was 4:1, and it wasn't because there were hawt cyberz every night in Ironforge...it's because it was a launch server, and when the game started, nobody wanted to play an "ugly" race, they wanted to play a Night Elf or a human they could identify with. This wreaked havoc with things like BGs and raid progression (it was a PvE server). The Horde were constantly behind the Alliance simply because they had so fewer players. So, to help balance this, the Horde got a "pretty race".

And also, Vilmah, I hope you'll forgive me...but it doesn't appear that you chose one of the ugly facesets for Vilmah. If you can make your orc pretty in the features, why can't someone else play a blood elf?

As far as the whole shaman/paladin bs, I couldn't be more fine with it. Not because we get squiddy shammies that can FROSTSHOCK!!1!11!!!1, but because Blizzard can now really have fun with their instances and do whatever they want to do with them. They had to meticulously balance each encounter before, but now they don't have to.

And our Ony chain is easy? wtf are you smoking? YOU try getting a group for Jailbreak. ><

[Sinthe]

It's still easier than the Horde Onxyia chain. Try getting groups for Test of Skulls or Warlord's Command.

[Sanrin]

Haha, no problem! I only attack big name horde guildies that gank non stop! My guild mates however...its hard to keep them under control.

[Abric]

Speaking from a "Shaman versus Paladin" conversation... a Paladin has far more group utility than a Shaman. There's lists on lists of why; and while it can be argued, it's mostly by people who want to lie to you. I have an Alliance Mage - I've done raid instances with it... and Alliance raiding doesn't impress me in the least; because it's like being the gun to a knife fight.

BUT, the shaman has its own bags of tricks. It's just a lot more restrictive, coming from an actual positioning. You stick by the totems... you fight by the totems... you live by the totems.

The thing that is going to be very 'bad' is having a Shaman/Paladin combo in the Arena fights and other PvP areas. It'll be as bad as seeing a resto druid and whatever paladin going at it... fighting between stuns, heals, bubbles, and roots.

[Fhenrir]

As far as the Horde getting a "pretty race" is concerned, I think a lot of people here are spoiled by the teetering balance in population TN has.

I myself am not spoiled by it, but rather incredibly grateful for it.

I come from a server that the was inbalanced over 7 to 1 in Alliance favor. The night elves alone outpopulated the Horde. x_x

[Daala]

Except, only the leaders and merchants and such who actively interacted with the humans would have a need to. High Elves were always very xenophobic and secretive, and the common people never had a reason to learn it.The same could be said of the Dwarves, albeit to a lesser extent. But the average Dwarf knows common.

In the end, whether the Blood Elves generally spoke Common or not, they speak Orcish now, and there simply isn't a good explanation for that by any standard.

[Vilmah]

Wait a sec wait a sec... BIG difference between picking a face for an orc and for a blood elf. A blood elf id gonna be "pretty" by human standards no matter what. Vilmah is pretty... for an orc. She's still got the tiny nose. Big teeth. Pointy ears. And the face I picked for her has a constant vacant look of shock. I didn't pick an older more mature looking face, because how in the heck would that make sense for her??

I'm not angry that we get a pretty race, anymore. I'm not even angry! I'm weirded out by the fact that these elves were the same guys I was using to swarm Horde bases with back in WC2. The blonde Legolas-lookalike bastards who always sounded like they were getting a massage while I commanded them. It feels strange to have them on our side, they just don't fit in with the brutal image that the word "Horde" brings to my mind. But like I said... it's fucking HAPPENING... so I'm not gonna complain anymore... I'm just not gonna show them any love OOC.

IC I have to. Goshdamn Vilmah.............

[Danyxandra]

No you don't have to show them any love IC. With Sanctuary being a more peaceful guild, perhaps only grudging acceptance. There's plenty of horde who only grudgingly accept undead. Undead only accept the other races on a temporary basis, mostly, until they can get the plague on everyone.

I've got a nightelf that doesn't like humans much at all on the alliance side. She's still xenophobic. And then there's Kittsu. She's an elf that doesn't like Alliance much at all and loves an undead chick.

As for Vilmah's looks, that's where I went with Danlily too. She's half troll, so she has tiny tusks and knows that among her troll side she is considered inferior and ugly because she has such tiny tusks. She also has very few scars, which makes her look like a coward because she hasn't earned many battle stripes (scars). Even though she's aesthetically pleasing to me, she's ugly to her blood-elf side of the family, AND ugly to her troll side of the family.

[Maegannon]

I was annoyed with the Paly/Shaman thing.. but mostly because its half the reason I like the game so much.. a specific class per side made the game unique...

But then I really thought about it.. really really thought (my brain smoked) and decided it wasn't a bad thing after all

I mean, really.. look at it this way:

Paly's and Shaman's were constantly nerfed due to having to keep them generaly "Ballanced" between each other. One couldn't have something that outshone something the other had.. like DI vrs Ahnk. Shamans can Self Res.. and Pallies can save a resser at the cost of their own life. Not identical, but gives the simmilar effect: Saves your group from a total run back wipe.

Pallies get increased run speed.. shamans get ghost wolf.

Pallies get reduced hearthstone timers... Shammies get a reduced hearthstone timer..

Pallies get 15 minute buffs.. shamans get totems.

All simmilar, not the same, not identical, but simmilar in proportion.

Now with both factions getting to play these classes, they can be tweaked and tuned so they do the things they should be capeable of.

[Chingaso]

It's still rape of the Lore so that they can rewrite the instancing rules.

BLIZZ FTL.

[Vilmah]

No no, Vilmah must love Blood Elves. Why? A few of her friends are Blood Elves. I refuse to allow my personal grudge against them to affect my character. It makes for fun gameplay being someone completely different from what I play.

And at the moment, Vilmah ain't so pretty. Even for an orc. She was NEVER pretty for an orc. She was skinny and wimpy. Now she's skinny, wimpy, and covered in burn scars. I -like- it. Gives her some freaking oomph.

[EnheilRas]

Oooh.. I read that Alleria is in the game.

Manus will, of course, be leading a party to kill her.

You Forsaken can even plague her for all I care. Bring her newly Forsaken corpse to Sylvanas as a Gift.

Manus has a very very bad scar from a fight with Alleria.

[Gavril]

Oooh.. I read that Alleria is in the game.

Manus will, of course, be leading a party to kill her.

You Forsaken can even plague her for all I care. Bring her newly Forsaken corpse to Sylvanas as a Gift.

Manus has a very very bad scar from a fight with Alleria.

Alleria and Teron Gorefiend had the two best voiceactors in Beyond the Dark Portal.

Period.

[EnheilRas]

Teron Gorefiend should return for Karazhan.

But yeah.. Alleria is gonna die.

Also the ALliance who leveled Fortress Auchindoun..

they're also going to die for the Honor of the Bleeding Hollow.

[Fallacy]

Teron Gorefiend should return for Karazhan.

But yeah.. Alleria is gonna die.

Also the ALliance who leveled Fortress Auchindoun..

they're also going to die for the Honor of the Bleeding Hollow.

Alliance didn't really do that. They blew themselves up trying to summon a demon. It's part of the whole story of the instance.

[Fhenrir]

Pallies get 15 minute buffs.. shamans get totems.

Ahaha, these are unfortunately uncomparable.

Totems only affect the group the shaman is in, and last for less than 2 minutes. Totems also disappear if the shaman dies.

Pally buffs are only limited by the number of paladins you bring to the raid. Basically, if you have 4 then you have a full raid buffed and ready to rock. The paladins can die and the buffs persist.

Infact, this right here is one of the biggest things that inspired this change if you ask me. Paladin buffs are more all-around useful, meanwhile most shaman totems are circumstantial. To make a fight where a shaman would have to drop a specific totem to do something cool (aside from resist totems) would nerf the Alliance progression effort. Meanwhile the Horde is also struggling through instances with nothing to show for it but a couple shamans dropping totems for their groups.

[EnheilRas]

Teron Gorefiend should return for Karazhan.

But yeah.. Alleria is gonna die.

Also the ALliance who leveled Fortress Auchindoun..

they're also going to die for the Honor of the Bleeding Hollow.

Alliance didn't really do that. They blew themselves up trying to summon a demon. It's part of the whole story of the instance.

Says Turalyon and Danath destroyed the Fortress first.

Then the whole Horde of Agony summoning happened after the Outland Sundering.

As such, Danath Trollbane will also be killed..

As will the Half-Elven son of Turalyon, Arator.

[Gavril]

Do paladins bless the entire raid?

Because that sounds ... painful.

[EnheilRas]

http://www.wowwiki.com/images/thumb/c/c0/Arator_the_redeemer.jpg/469px-Arator_the_redeemer.jpg

I'd say he's about 18ish..

[Shadowspeak]

The real differance is the decursing order.

Horde- Preists AND mages have to decurse the whole time of certain fights.

Alliance- paladins cleanse, giving the priests more time to heal, and mages more time to deal dammage.

And of course the buffs, and the fact that Paladin heals> Shaman heals.

[EnheilRas]

Haha.. Resto Shaman..

Hahahahaha...

[Gavril]

uh... 'Infection pidgeon hole?' Excuse me?

Play an undead. Then repeat what you just said.

The VAST MAJORITY of the undead QUESTS are based around converting the entire world into a plague-infested graveyard. Mostly the Royal Apothecary Society quests.

As a race, the Forsaken are not friendly to the Alliance, and accept the Horde for assistance, and nothing else. Hell, that's a part of the introduction.

How individuals RP does NOT change the 'most' in the concept.

P.S.: What the HELL is with this Italian-Jewish analogy? That doesn't make any remote contextual sense. If anything, it would be 'That's like calling all Jewish people Zionists!'

[EnheilRas]

Well.. You're forgotten Magatha Grimtotem Zusteakai.

Her link with Faranel (Supplied between the Shattered Hand Clan) is how it can exist.

[Gavril]

Their game.

Their rules.

Their world.

Blizzard>You.

Sorry. Have to make it playable, dear. =D

P.S.: The orcs accept the undead for the fact that their situations are somewhat parallel, with former slavery and all. More than one thread. May be loose, but that's half the point.

I'd say Admiral Proudmoore annihilated most possibility of Alliance-Horde... alliance.

[Gavril]

I'd prefer not to. If I'm going to read gaming literature, I'd rather read it in a history-text format.

[Danyxandra]

I wasn't talking about the player undead, Zust, but the NPC undeads. The NPC's in Undercity are evil and plotting to unleash the plague on everyone. That's what I'm pidgeon holing and that is my precedence for anyone who wants to hate their fellow hordesmen, they have every right to hate them if they so wish.

So your character can hate my bloodelf if you so wish. You don't have to like them just cuz Blizz flipped the lore over on it's back. I, personally love them, and I relish the idea of playing a beautiful on the outside/rotten on the inside character. Well, at least one of the twins will be like that. I've wanted a pretty race for a long time because I'm one of those female gamers with avatar vanity. And ya know what? I have four daughters and a step-daughter that are gamers. They also have avatar vanity. We have six women gamers in my family and we have avatar vanity. So what? No seriously, So what the fuck? No, I don't want to be alliance permanently. I want to be pretty horde. Really, REALLY sick of people knocking that, because despite wanting to play a pretty face, I am horde all the way and itching to get back to my horde account. I'm wearing a "For the Horde" t-shirt from Jinx as I write this now. I playfully argue with my patients who play WoW that horde kicks their alliance butt. I...LOVE...THE...HORDE. But I want my hordie to be well dressed, and pretty and all her accessories to match, dammit. So sue me. *flick!*

Did I start ranting? Sorry. I'm just really sick of the bitching about how bloodelves are going to destroy the horde and the game. I've read some people's posts on other boards that are swearing the apocolypse is coming to Azeroth over it.

[Fhenrir]

Zust, is seems like you're trying to force your opinion of the lore down everyone else's throats. Infact, you're calling people wrong and backing it up with nothing but simple opinion.

There is good and evil in all races of Azeroth, but the fact is that the Forsaken for the most part right now is not what someone like you or I would call "good".

Aside from the player base, you also have to consider the NPCs. The player base is only the "adventurer" class of the races as a whole, and most of the Forsaken NPCs at this point are fostering acts of evil and are less than receptive.

[Keraph]

Yeah, um...we based our opinion on standing lore in and out of the game, pointing to a generally not-so-nice view of the other races. Almost every quest we have is unarguably evil, and antagonizing to our own "allies" Face it. MOST, yes MOST of the Forsaken in the WORLD are on our side, and your little traitor friend is one of very few exceptions.

As far as World of Warcraft goes, in-game lore > your little book.

[Keraph]

I say nay.

[Gavril]

I'd like to see where Zust gets his 'mosts.'

Have you done a survey, recently, kiddo?

Anyway, I adore the idea of blood elves in the Horde. Not too fond of the concept that draenei have been turned into, nor the paladinship of the blood elves, but I am *really* excited to play a blood elf on TN.

[Danyxandra]

I actually don't understand the paladinship of the blood elves and where they are coming from as I haven't seen a single thing on it other than they get the class. As far as how they get their pally powers, etc, um, anyone got lore links or a run down on that? I'd really like to know since one of my twins will be a pally and I need to get informed on this stuff before it comes out.

[Gavril]

/...Strange. I know where it is, but every time I click a link in the BC part of the blizzard website, I keep getting "Service Temporarily Unavailable."

[Fhenrir]

As for the 'adventurous' type forsaken, MOST are hardly on your side and would not want to see their new found freind and brothers turned into mindless scourge.

Actually, the Forsaken despise the Scourge. Their goal is to plague the world and use it to kill off their enemies, not raise more mindless zombies than they already have to contend with.

[Gavril]

By the way, found the link to paladin reasoning and whatnot --

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/classcombo.html

[Vilmah]

They stole the light.

...

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lol... geez, Blizz.....

[Chingaso]

Kododung. :roll:

[Alucian]

They once had the capacity to wield the Light. Regardless of the reason, why is them wielding it now such an omg issue? So what, they subjugated crystal beings and took their power. Big whoop. Now people that intensely dislike slavery and subjugation of any species can hate any priest/paladin Blood Elf IC-ly.

Just roll with it, man.

[Chingaso]

Shut up, elf... :P :twisted:

[Fallacy]

Chingaso is secretly planning his belf warlock girl, and is using this thread to hide the fact.

Brought to you by GNN.

[Chingaso]

Hell noez, Paladin!