Execute damage and you.

[Fhenrir]

Attempt to finish off a wounded foe, causing 600 damage and converting each extra point of rage into 15 additional damage. Only usable on enemies that have 20% or less health. (http://thottbot.com/?sp=20662)


Executes are not gear dependant, and saying "I hit for so and so with execute" is completely pointless. You can hit as hard with execute with any equipment, and the only things that would make it hit harder are things that increase your damage given directly (like the Berserking chests in BGs, Death Wish, etc).

Comparing your execute damage to try and brag, to make a point about gear, or anything else is completely irrelevant.

So... stop telling me how hard you hit with execute!

Fhenrir
~I hit as hard as my executes with Mortal Strike

[Tarlithion]

What about Execute Crits, Fhen?
:P

[Cedes]

Ummm....i smell a DEBATE! :o


ok, cow bell... what happens when you got 80 rage, use exicute on a naked priest?

that equals 1800? and 100 rage seems to only do 2100?

well how can a warrior using the TUF with 61.8 dps 2handed mace with 80+(-) rage hit over 2100 or rhit a record ( i keep a lil index card for my records XD) of 3300-something?


my guess is that what ever damage your weapon hit does that swing is added to the exicute regardless. because about everytime i hit a clothie with exicute i only got 20-30 rage on me and its always over 1300.

[Cedes]

i understand wher eyour coming from. Its kinda hard at times to see or know what mood or way one is trying to say somehting when all u see is whats writen in text. theres time when people have blown up in my face cuase they think im flexing my mucles. :(

[Abric]

Whenever a warrior uses execute on me, I know I win a little. Just like a paladin bubbling.

Because... you suck.

... though a 800 overpower is acceptable. A little annoying, but acceptable.

AbricOOC
~Fhenrir smells like cow pie

[Fhenrir]

No, Cedes... it says right in the description. That's why it's a link, click it.


causing 600 damage

It's a flat attack damage. There is a difference when hitting someone naked VS hitting a warrior because a warrior has more armor, so they absorb more of the execute damage. Because it's physical damage.

Also, Abric, my overpowers are a bit higher these days... usually at least over 1k. :twisted:

[Tarlithion]

To elaborate on what Fhen means: Execute Damage is fixed. 1 Non-crit full rage Execute at level 60 = 2100 damage. Then you have damage mitigation. So of course, hitting a naked Priest is going to do more damage than hitting a Prot warrior with full Wrath armor and an Elementium Reinforced Bullwark. Or a Feral druid in Dire Bear form, 'cause they have infinity jillion armor. Which is what that damage mitigation thing means.

So the next time somebody says, "Hey, Dude, what does this damage mitigation thing when you highlite your armor mean?" you can tell them, "SHUT THE FUCK UP, COMMUNIST!" and hit them in the face with a rotten potato. Because that's what commies get. Potatos.

[Karkarov]

I agree with Fhenrir. As I said somewhere else warrior damage is not about gear in so much as it is about spec. That said though a good helps alot. Execute while the most flashy cool thing a warrior gets is still just one part of the warriors melee damage. Remember they have to get to 20% first.

[Cedes]

No, Cedes... it says right in the description. That's why it's a link, click it.

then 15 damage for each additional rage...


then can someone answer my question?


if 100 rage using exicute is only fixed at 2100 max damage, how can i hit over 2300 on someone using only 20-40 rage?((and im not talking about nakiness))


EDIT- nvm Tarlithion post kinda answered my question. Thank you...glad to see someone saw what i was tyring to say lol. Anyways, now that i think abotu it it kinda makes since. Attacking at such a strong force using that move causes a sort of impact in which someone liek a druid in bear form or a warrior can asorb the impact of the hit, unlike a warlock or rogue. So when i got 20-30 rage doing 750 to a prot warrior and 2300 to a mage, that must be it. I just figured that my crit% is included with exicute swings...maybe it is....maybe it isnt.

[Leyujin]

Are you asking if your crit from your gear increases the chance you crit on your execute, Cedes? If so, then yes. What Fhen is saying is simply that any amount of +strength, +attk power or weapon dps won't change how hard your execute hits. However, increased crit will make it more likely you hit for a bajillion too much damage.

[Fhenrir]

As I said somewhere else warrior damage is not about gear in so much as it is about spec.

Err... I didn't say that at all. I was merely speaking of execute damage.

Warrior damage (non-execute) is highly dependant on gear, where have you been?

[Karkarov]

Gear always factors in everything especially for a warrior. But you WILL do more damage as an arms spec warrior or fury warrior than prot if you wear the same stuff. And the difference will be obvious, not some tiny amount.

Keep in mind I am not talking about comparing warrior X who has level 50 greens to warrior Y who has tier 1 and saying the spec will make X hit harder. I am talking about two warriors with similar/comporable gear.

PS: Uh also yes your attack power etc DOES effect your execute. It includes weapon damage in the attack which is derived from the weapon, your strength, blah blah. Maybe it isnt the lions share of the damage, but it does help atleast a little.

[Chingaso]

Comparing your execute damage to try and brag, to make a point about gear, or anything else is completely irrelevant.
Uh, bragging about anything you do in WoW pretty much makes you a loser... :roll:

[Fhenrir]

Gear always factors in everything especially for a warrior. But you WILL do more damage as an arms spec warrior or fury warrior than prot if you wear the same stuff. And the difference will be obvious, not some tiny amount.

Keep in mind I am not talking about comparing warrior X who has level 50 greens to warrior Y who has tier 1 and saying the spec will make X hit harder. I am talking about two warriors with similar/comporable gear.

PS: Uh also yes your attack power etc DOES effect your execute. It includes weapon damage in the attack which is derived from the weapon, your strength, blah blah. Maybe it isnt the lions share of the damage, but it does help atleast a little.

Well, of course the spec makes a difference. Nobody was saying it doesn't, but what I was saying was that gear makes a huge difference for a warrior.

Also, execute isn't effected by AP or strength in any way. If the description of the attacks isn't enough, perhaps I should catch a screenshot of my execute hitting as hard naked as it does with my full equipment?

[Kaliera]

Also, execute isn't effected by AP or strength in any way. If the description of the attacks isn't enough, perhaps I should catch a screenshot of my execute hitting as hard naked as it does with my full equipment?

Fhenrir's always looking for an excuse to be naked.

[Fhenrir]

Especially when the wife is around.

*insert Quagmire-esque "Aaaaalright" here*

[Kaliera]

"Giggity giggity giggity giggity let's have sex!"

[Tarlithion]

Execute damage is not under any circumstances based on weapon damage. That's like saying that Hamstring is based on weapon damage. Instant attacks don't proc a weapon swing. And now that weapons can't proc off skills, no more Decapitate crits off of Hamstring ;_;

[Cedes]

ok, im laying the smack down on thsi heated topic.


Gear....ok this ones a biggie, but not the major deal. Yes a warriors weakness is that they are gear dependant. But anyone can beat anyone if you can mash the buttons hard enough. Gear does infact give warriors more of an edge then most any other class id say. The gear for warriors depends on our resistance, our attack power and our crit%. Without those we cant do a damn thing. Other classes can wear their pirate suits and still manage to hold their own. Not warriors :cry: ...

another thing that makes a life of a warrior rough is our 3 specs. Each have a gain and each have a loss. There really isnt a warrior in WoW in my opinion. You got arms spec'd warriors, fury warriors and prot warriors. Any other class with a spec just is a spec. WArriors spec's can be seen as a 2nd class kinda. Which ever we choose to be pretty much makes use totally different form the next warrior. This also effects warrior damage, etc etc :cry:

[Karkarov]

I agree Cedes... it is kind of funny but now that I think about it when people ask me my class I never say "warrior" I always say "prot warrior".

[Vilmah]

I recently respecced to protection stat because I felt it was more IC, and I wanted to try something new. So far it's God-awful boring. Any tips from you prot stat warriors on making it more fun? PVP tips?

[Tarlithion]

PvP with your Shield and 1-hander and never freaking die. No matter how many times I hit you.

Seriously, though. All you need Prot for is tanking, and unless you plan on doing that a lot, IE, Endgame raiding, I highly advise against Protection. However, I personally have tanked the Core, most of Blackwing Lair and all of Zul'Gurub with a 31/5/15 build and never had a problem.

Pfft. Protection. Some people.

[Vilmah]

Sorry, but tanking felt right for Vilmah. She's not one to go and pick a fight. Yet.

(Ohhhh... just wait and SEE what I have planned...)

[Cedes]

i joined Epug back in feb. when i was in the 20s and 30s. I was prot spec till liek lvl 51 when i got a polearm in ST.

anyways i liked it at first. Since i was always main tank and stuff the added stuff for prot spec helped. With epug i played pvp all day every weekend. Id rank liek every 1-2 weeks back then. Felt nice being a rank 6-7 at lvl 40 lol. Well i rolled horde in prot spec, but could never do it alone. Disarm and shield slam/bash are your key moves. Oh yeah, dotn forget Concussion blow. Those moves are your main moves. U can beat any caster with those moves lol.

heres how i see it,....
-Arms spec is all attacks and offensive
-fury is self buffs and some attacking
-protection is debuffs(to enemy) and some attacking...all defensive


EDIT- nice thing about shield slam is it does 750 damage like a MS. But cant crit :(

[Karkarov]

Shield slam crits for crap yeah, never seen it do more than 1k and that is VERY rare. I would add though Cedes is slightly misleading. You give a prot warrior a back up of some kind like a mage or a rogue, and they can pwn anyone. Alone though? They arent very good in pvp. One on one you will beat most warriors if you are good, maybe even some palys or rogues, but not much else. No mage/warlock, worth crap will lose to a prot warrior in pvp in a one on one with equal levels and comprorable gear.

[Cedes]

Shield slam crits for crap yeah, never seen it do more than 1k and that is VERY rare. I would add though Cedes is slightly misleading. You give a prot warrior a back up of some kind like a mage or a rogue, and they can pwn anyone. Alone though? They arent very good in pvp. One on one you will beat most warriors if you are good, maybe even some palys or rogues, but not much else. No mage/warlock, worth crap will lose to a prot warrior in pvp in a one on one with equal levels and comprorable gear.


i did my best as a prot warrior back in the day against warlocks and priests. bash em with m,y shield and concussion blow when they try to fear or heal(when the shield slam/bash was on cooldown). I did pretty good back then....but im way way way better now

[Fallacy]

Fhen's complaining about people bragging about Execute? I gotta start using Recklessness more often.

[Fhenrir]

PvP Prot? Run with a team.

Don't have a team? Prepare to die.


Sadly, PvP with Prot spec... doesn't really work. Like those two have already said, you'll do alright against warriors, rogues, and paladins (if they're retnubs).

Your offensive capabilities are nowhere near up to par with the other two specs. Most prot spec people tend to PvE more than anything else for a reason. :?


Err... and I personally would disagree with Cedes' assessment of the specs.

The way I see it?

Arms - Offensive capabilities, goes well with some Prot if you want a balance of damage and tanking abilities
Fury - All out offensive. Some people compare them to a rogue in plate, but there's nothing out there quite like a fury warrior.
Protection - Taking 15 points with a bit of arms up to MS is good if you want a bit of both, anything more is for all out PvE tanking ownage.

[Vilmah]

I was a fury stat warrior up until last week, too... what was I thinking! :roll:

[Marroc]

Also, execute isn't effected by AP or strength in any way. If the description of the attacks isn't enough, perhaps I should catch a screenshot of my execute hitting as hard naked as it does with my full equipment?

Fhenrir's always looking for an excuse to be naked.

you don't raid with him... :/


And execute = eviscerate in terms of mechanics. Currently max evis is 2.3k, yet can easily break that limit (any type of +dmg buff that modifies damage applied from all souces... FW banner, zerking, etc)

[Cedes]

PvP Prot? Run with a team.

Don't have a team? Prepare to die.


Sadly, PvP with Prot spec... doesn't really work. Like those two have already said, you'll do alright against warriors, rogues, and paladins (if they're retnubs).

Your offensive capabilities are nowhere near up to par with the other two specs. Most prot spec people tend to PvE more than anything else for a reason. :?


Err... and I personally would disagree with Cedes' assessment of the specs.

The way I see it?

Arms - Offensive capabilities, goes well with some Prot if you want a balance of damage and tanking abilities
Fury - All out offensive. Some people compare them to a rogue in plate, but there's nothing out there quite like a fury warrior.
Protection - Taking 15 points with a bit of arms up to MS is good if you want a bit of both, anything more is for all out PvE tanking ownage.

ive been running with epug since i was liek lvl 24. I was prot spec since lvl 51. I know prot spec now isnt pvp but i still did my part and averaged as many Killing blows and HKs as i do now. To think of it now, i must of been crazy.

See, your liek everyone else. You assume that each spec is has a purpose. But you never concider that you can take one spec and totally out due what its endented to be used for. Like becoming a PvP rogue twink killing in prot spec or stoping warlocks/ mages dead in their tracks.

Now when i see prot spec warriors in WSG they suck. They fight nothing close to how i faught when i was prot spec. They like avoid fighting and cant fight 1on1. I could kill 1on1 and prot warriors arnt supost to do that lol.

I cant even think of how i managed to pull it off back then. I rememer at lvl 49 i had the ageis of stormwind and the thrasher blade. Epug didnt have much healing back then, juts killing. I managed to finish in the top 3 with the most HKs and like 3rd on the chart(which dont mean anything i know). I never ran the flag, all i did was kill.


i miss those days. PvP as a prot warrior was fun and interesting. You should try it sometimes and see how good you are lol.

[Cedes]

i think ill take my brothers roc warrior, make her a prot spec and fraps it. To show you all how a prot warrior can be a pvp warrior as well....and not be used for a flag running bot. hehe *rubs hands together* :twisted:


i had alot of fun being prot spec. Seeing horde try to do magic and getting bashed was always fun to do. Fighting casters and them not able to get a cast off and eventualy having to fear or frost nova me inorder to kill me was always funny. I miss it at times. Hitting really hard in arms spec now is fun but mages kill me so easliy and warlocks can kill me as well. I do miss my imp shield bash and slam at times. Pummle just doesnt cut it lol. :?

[Fhenrir]

See, your liek everyone else. You assume that each spec is has a purpose.

Because... each spec is better at certain things than others?

I could dual weild with Mortal Strike and do alright, but that doesn't mean I'm getting the most from the spec.




P.S: Marroc rigs the DPS meters by making me tank. True story.

[Cedes]

Because... each spec is better at certain things than others?

well duh! lol.

Do what i said. Go prot spec and try to be as much as a threat now in arms. Its hard at first, many will laugh at you, but once you become a skilled PvP warrior in prot spec its really fun. Not to mention its completly unexpected :wink:

i think Ashryn-something went to prot spec. He was a GM once. Cant see why but he likes hit now. Im guessing he has tier 1 or working on 2 now. He's got the shield and sword for the job, thats for sure.




P.S: Marroc rigs the DPS meters by making me tank. True story.

marroc is a scrub

[Marroc]

P.S: Marroc rigs the DPS meters by making me tank. True story.

so you say...

Yet I put out more DPS with hemo when buffed than a combat sword rogue with 3/3 agression using the same gear.

That and fhen has to burn consumables to reliably beat me. :P