Another twist on a DK

[Zya]

I just realized this!

Blood Elf DKs resemble High Elves.


In World of Warcraft high elves have glowing blue eyes. Elves seen with green eyes are usually blood elves, who feed upon fel magic.

Now I see this, I am thinking of CHANGING (I know again... sigh) my Forsaken Death Knight for a BE DK and claiming she is a High Elf.

Would that work or is that a viable concept?

that means I must re roll my priest to be undead. >.<

The pains I go for an original idea.

[Vilmah]

..huh. You know, I don't see why that wouldn't work. Except for like, her actual powers and stuff. She certainly could APPEAR to look like a High Elf.

[Taknar]

I know I'd question it personally, but it seems to be good.

The last person to do the "I'm a high elf!" thing was Naheal I think, only I believe he RPs having gotten the blue eyes back after serving the Naruu for awhile and used engineering goggles to cover them up. He doesn't seem to have gotten much flak for it, so I say go nuts.

[Grayslin]

Well.. consider that the majority of the remaining high elves are still siding with the alliance. At least, as far as I'm aware.

So you'd need a compelling reason to be horde to go along with that.

[Zya]

Well.. consider that the majority of the remaining high elves are still siding with the alliance. At least, as far as I'm aware.

So you'd need a compelling reason to be horde to go along with that.


I did think of that... but my belief is they are shunned like the other Blood Elves by the Alliance based on this (WoWWiki):


It would not quite be correct to say that the high elves rejoined the Alliance. To many high elves, they never left.

Nevertheless, they are often aloof and distant from their allies. They keep to themselves and enjoy wandering forests alone or in small groups. They also maintain the Quel'Danil Lodge, an outpost in the Hinterlands which pursues their diplomatic interests and Quel'Lithien in the Eastern Plaguelands near the gateway to ruined Quel'Thalas.

and...


The destruction of the Sunwell has forced the high elves into decline, causing them to doubt the future of their once-proud race and drawing animosity toward them from other races who feel that the high elves have betrayed the Alliance. Most of the high elves have placed themselves under a self-imposed exile, ashamed of the damage that they have wrought upon the world of Lordaeron with their abuse of arcane magic. While humans still accept the high elves because of the aid that both races provided each other during the most recent attacks of the Burning Legion, many of the other races will only deal with the high elves if absolutely necessary. This is especially true after the acts of Kael’thas Sunstrider. The night elves in particular do not care for the company of high elves (as they have personal memories of the war that spawned them) and in some cases can be openly hostile toward their sun-blessed brethren.

Not trying to prove you wrong... but I hope that the neutrality is what I will work with to explain her choice to ally with the Horde.

[Taknar]

The windrunner faction in Dalaran, the one that represents a good number of High Elves, only allow Alliance into their area of the city. That's a pretty strong tie in my eyes.

[Zya]

The windrunner faction in Dalaran, the one that represents a good number of High Elves, only allow Alliance into their area of the city. That's a pretty strong tie in my eyes.

Hmm... That is true.

I do not think it’s entirely inconceivable to have a character that has not fallen to using fel magic but wishes and hopes that by allying themselves with the Blood Elves (thus allying herself with the Horde) she might teach her magic addicted cousins how to combat such cravings… as High Elves themselves do. Her motivations canrange anywhere from family that have fallen etc to thinknig she can make a difference in helping combat the addiction. I think it opens a realm of possibilities.

I understand most of the comments thus far though, thank you all for posting.

[Zya]

Ok... I did more reading of High Elf Relationships. This somewhat throws a wrench in my idea:


TheramoreThe high elves of Theramore are perhaps the most isolated. Having left mostly before the destruction of Dalaran and Quel’Thalas, they have formed a significant community in the city. They spend a great deal of time hunting the few Undead forces in Kalimdor. Their exposure to the night elves has caused them to develop a great interest in Moon Wells, which they seek to find an alternative solution to their addiction. Even the presence of a hidden Moon Well 50 feet away is enough to replenish their mystical energies and makes meditation unnecessary.

Theramore high elves also have another interest in the continent. They have discussed privately the creation of their own realm on Kalimdor. The northern forests, full of moon wells and lush greenery are most attractive, but their control by the night elves is overly frustrating. High elven expeditions, claiming to be tracking undead, often search for suitable sites.

Wildhammer dwarvesWith the Quel'Danil Lodge nearby the dwarven keep of Wildhammer of the Hinterlands, it can be assumed that the high elves have maintained their alliance with the gryphon riding dwarves since the Second war. Wildhammer share the high elves respect for the wilds and nature, and carry a long history of good relations and trust.

HumansThe high elves have also upheld their initial alliance with the human nations since their call for aid in the Troll Wars and the Second war. High elves can even currently be seen occupying the human city of Stormwind.

GnomesAlthough physically disparate, gnomes share the elves' natural affinity to magic, and many gnomes and high elves used to work together in Dalaran before its fall.

Half-elvesHigh elves are often prejudiced towards half-elves, though this is starting to change as their presence is becoming more common.

Night elvesHigh elves get along quite poorly with night elves due to their complicated and turbulent past. As the night elves hold disdain for the arcane using blood elves, so they hold disdain for their high elf cousins. This argument is questioned, though, by the fact that Tyrande had no problem whatsoever working with the blood elves and Kael'thas when she hunted Illidan in the Plaguelands. Kael'thas seemed to feel honoured by the night elves' presence. This one instance of smooth cooperation between the races might be an exception caused by each party's need for survival in Silverpine and Dalaran.

The years of conflict between the night elves and the high elves number so many that they make the Alliance and Horde conflict look like children arguing over a toy. When the high elves lost their immortality, they eventually forgot their brethren as generations lived and died, creating legends of histories. The night elves remembered the damage the Highborne brought to the world, and view their descendents as time bombs. When the high elves encountered the night elves, they realized the legends were true and began to resent the fact that the night elves had access to so much power that they refused to use — not to mention the whole matter of exile. Many plot to retake the magically imbued forests for themselves, regardless of the fact that both races belong to the Alliance.

The creation of a Moonwell in Stormwind's Park District is likely to cause further tension between the two races, as night elves fervently guard them against approaching high elves.

Auberdine is one of the few night elf settlements that will tolerate a high elf's presence.WRPG 193 They have allowed high elves since after the Third War. So its no surprise that Fiora Longears can be seen on the pier in Auberdine.

Ironforge dwarvesHigh elves have an awkward and somewhat distrustful relationship with the Ironforge dwarves, but they do rely on each other in times of war, and have common ties to the Alliance.

HordeApart from the tauren, with whom the Highborne had had some ancient historical contact, high elves loathe the majority of the Horde's races, having fought against trolls, orcs, and undead in recent wars (though not the same trolls, orcs and undead that now make up the Horde). The recent entry of the blood elves into the Horde has likely made relations worse.

Blood elvesThe path by which Prince Kael'thas has chosen to lead the avenging blood elves is one the high elves view with utter disgust and resentment. They strive for disassociation with the blood elves, such as by hiding their magical addictions and avoiding wearing red.

Shoot. I will have to work around that information...

[Taknar]

That information regarding the Moon Wells and their intregue from the Theramore Elves gives me some cool ideas. Nice find!

[Zya]

That information regarding the Moon Wells and their intregue from the Theramore Elves gives me some cool ideas. Nice find!

Thanks! I think I have a way around it. I just hope that it will be accepted by the general community. I am going to need some help.

Anyone have a history that a sibling that did not sucumb to the craving for magic could fit into? I am a new Rper, but I would like to think I have some imagination and I would be ok with molding this charater to fit the story.

Anyone interested? :D

[Athin]

Thanks! I think I have a way around it. I just hope that it will be accepted by the general community. I am going to need some help.

Anyone have a history that a sibling that did not sucumb to the craving for magic could fit into? I am a new Rper, but I would like to think I have some imagination and I would be ok with molding this charater to fit the story.

Anyone interested? :D

I don't think that any blood elf or high elf can escape the magic addiction.

Though that brings me to a question that's been bugging me a bit: how does M'uru's rebirth of the Sunwell play into things? From my understanding, Blood elves aren't addicted to the arcane anymore, they've been infused with the Light.

Here's the shady area: what if you haven't completed those events? Are you, and the rest of the elves cured still, or do you have to run through and defeat Kil'jaeden? Kinda like that phasing wonky stuff?

[Zya]

I don't think that any blood elf or high elf can escape the magic addiction.

Though that brings me to a question that's been bugging me a bit: how does M'uru's rebirth of the Sunwell play into things? From my understanding, Blood elves aren't addicted to the arcane anymore, they've been infused with the Light.

Here's the shady area: what if you haven't completed those events? Are you, and the rest of the elves cured still, or do you have to run through and defeat Kil'jaeden? Kinda like that phasing wonky stuff?

High Elves supress their cravings only through hours of meditation (a great way to exit an RP in my opinion).

You are correct, they are not above it. They have learned to control it outside the means of using fel magics, sorry if I mis spoke.

In answer to your question, I have not the slightest idea. :confused: sorry.

[Zya]

Here is a brief and hurried sketch of what I would play. I am hoping someone would like a family member that is not approving of the lifestyle her family has made but tolerate her nonetheless because of their blood.

http://www.wow-tng.org/showthread.php?p=248505#post248505

[Swerto]

Securo is Quel'dorei, true story.

He was when he was a Paladin too, he had red eyes then.

[Vilmah]

My BElf has red eyes. I just try to keep her PVP hood on as much as I can. >_>

[Gorymoru]

My BE DK is pretty stereotypical at first glance. Somewhat insane, giggles alot, cackles too, but giggles a fair amount ((rawr Feral =P)). Horribly addicted to sadism, and is something of a masochist as well. She practically worships Baron Rivendare, as they share the same interests, and she sees him as her tutor.

For her deeper side....FIND OUT YOURSELF YA HARPIES!!! I never have flat characters with just one personality. Honestly, if I could deal with having more than one personality myself, I'd make them all schizo. Oh well.

[Keraph]

...I liked the part where you said you'd roll your priest undead.

>.>

[Zya]

...I liked the part where you said you'd roll your priest undead.

>.>


Ha! I am glad. Yes, Stane is no longer a girl... but a guy (a much more appropriate name for a male character I felt).

I will probably play him a majority of the time if my "Hig Elf" idea is not well received. We shall see. One day Stane's typist hopes he will encounter Infection.....

[Taknar]

We shall see. One day Stane's typist hopes he will encounter Infection.....

Did he need a map? =D

[Zya]

As a typist it is never good when your character knows more than you, :rolleyes: so I suppose he would. I am new to this server... and I have been meaning to get on this server, but never had a solid idea of what characters to play until now (I love having balance... one male, one female.... a pacifist and a sadist an ugly one and a pretty one, etc.). It fits my duplicitous mentality.

I have received no interest in my High Elf having family. This is disconcerting, but I understand of such things need to be “felt” out. Therefore, I will focus on my Forsaken Priest for now, and perhaps that will show my skills (or lack thereof) with RPing.

Then individuals may make a more informed decision.

[Vilmah]

I wouldn't mind being a family member. You can always be related to Catalinetta... XD!

[Lascivious]

I'd like to see less finding excotic backgrounds stretching lore as an attempt at being "original" and more good old fashioned quality RP. That's what makes a character.

[Zya]

I'd like to see less finding excotic backgrounds stretching lore as an attempt at being "original" and more good old fashioned quality RP. That's what makes a character.


I totally understand... that is why I asked before following through with it.

I do not think it is stretching lore to say a High Elf would still sympathize with what was once their people. Especially considering the Alliance hated the blood elves for allying with the Naga, despite having driven them to their arms in the first place.

I can easily see a High elf with family that are blood elves stay and fight for the blood Elves.

I just thought it would be original, while not outlandish. There were some High Elves that did not ally with the Alliance, but remained neutral.

Is it just me, or does any one else finds that concept resonable? If not, I will not create the character, but I would like to know.


Could blood elves rejoin the high elves?

With the recent developments of the banishment of Kil'jaeden and the restoration of the Sunwell, one could argue that the blood elves have in effect been restored to high elves or could return to being high elves. The elves no longer have to turn to fel magic to feed their addiction, and it has been speculated that the Sunwell's energies can reverse the physical changes that come with fel consumption (although there is not yet any evidence to support this), hinting at the possibility of reconciliation.

At this point, however, there are many cultural differences between the high elves and the blood elves, and there are probably only a handful of blood elves who would even choose to revert. On the flip side, most high elves regard the blood elves as traitors, and would not take them back. This is later confirmed with Wrath of the Lich King, where in Dalaran, a faction of high elves, the Silver Covenant stand as direct opposition of the blood elves, the Sunreavers in Dalaran despite the fact that with the Sunwells return the blood elves no longer have to consume fel energies.

I always see the words that make this character resonable. ...most high elves regard the blood elves as traitors, and would not take them back.

Most. Not all.


I wouldn't mind being a family member. You can always be related to Catalinetta... XD!

I would LOVE to! I will PM you so we can get to work on it. I read her bio... I assume she is a DK now? tsk tsk.... :)

[RavenReverend]

My BE DK is pretty stereotypical at first glance. Somewhat insane, giggles alot, cackles too, but giggles a fair amount ((rawr Feral =P)). Horribly addicted to sadism, and is something of a masochist as well. She practically worships Baron Rivendare, as they share the same interests, and she sees him as her tutor.

For her deeper side....FIND OUT YOURSELF YA HARPIES!!! I never have flat characters with just one personality. Honestly, if I could deal with having more than one personality myself, I'd make them all schizo. Oh well.

/tackle /maul /snarl /drool /foam at the mouth! @.o I'm seriously going to track you down and chew on your head!

[Taknar]

I just thought it would be original, while not outlandish. There were some High Elves that did not ally with the Alliance, but remained neutral.

I believe the point being made was that too many people are using their orginal backstory, be it original or not, to prop up their RP instead of making engaging characters with deep personalities in the current timeline.

Do whatever you like regarding background, just don't focus on it for your RP. RP who you are, not who you were kinda thing.

[Zya]

I believe the point being made was that too many people are using their orginal backstory, be it original or not, to prop up their RP instead of making engaging characters with deep personalities in the current timeline.

Do whatever you like regarding background, just don't focus on it for your RP. RP who you are, not who you were kinda thing.

QFT. Words I shall live by.

Thank you Taknar.

[Xaraphyne]

On the note of playing a High Elf and difficulty about being Horde vs. Alliance...

Sure, you can't walk into Alliance cities without getting attacked or teleported out... but who says your character has any reason to go there? The game mechanics are inconvenient, but they don't have to be "proof" or anything. For a long time all of Raven Cross were, in roleplaying, pretty much KoS in Silvermoon, but they couldn't make the guards attack them. Did that make their story invalid?

But as for actually playing a high elf, you've got some things in your favor. One, there are plenty of neutral factions with all races. And even besides that -- there are so incredibly few high elves left that they can arguably be not considered to have an "official", race-wide faction at all. They cut loose from the blood elves and are really fit to follow whatever path they choose, whether that's sticking with the Alliance or not.

They wouldn't necessarily be KoS in Horde cities either. Even if arguing that they could pass as blood elf DKs seems cheap, how many regular members of the Horde are going to be well-enough versed in Quel'dorei history to understand the fine difference between blood and high elves, especially with so few high elves about? If they even know the significance of the eye color? Or, why wouldn't they think that your character could possibly belong to a neutral faction?

Roleplaying that your character is greeted by some mistrust from most NPCs who know better seems fair. Saying that it deviates so far from what's possible in-game or in lore doesn't seem true to me at all.

And don't forget that statements like "The path by which Prince Kael'thas has chosen to lead the avenging blood elves is one the high elves view with utter disgust and resentment. They strive for disassociation with the blood elves, such as by hiding their magical addictions and avoiding wearing red." do not have to be strictly followed in roleplay. While parts of your character's history are dictated by official lore (hopefully), you are allowed to decide how your character reacted to and developed from them.



Anyone have a history that a sibling that did not sucumb to the craving for magic could fit into? I am a new Rper, but I would like to think I have some imagination and I would be ok with molding this charater to fit the story.

And now to completely ruin my above argument, I offer my own high elf character if you like. Yes, I play one. ;) Naheal's not the only one about. Mine is Tassha, there's also Jazziks and Sinaku, and one other I know of though I'm not sure he wants it spread around.

[Vilmah]

I would LOVE to! I will PM you so we can get to work on it. I read her bio... I assume she is a DK now? tsk tsk.... :)

Tooootally not her fault. >_> Yes, PMs!

[Zya]

Tooootally not her fault. >_> Yes, PMs!
I will, but I am a little busy at work :(


Xaraphyne,
Your post is wonderful. I am thankful for it, and I will certainly wish to meet your character. I am formulating a PM (when I get a chance), to pick your brain.

Thank you again.

[Naheal]

One other possibility is that your elf could've fallen during the third war (prior to the Sunwell blowing up) and, therefore, would have never delved into the fel magic that the rest of the Blood Elves did. Physiologically, he/she would appear High Elf. Psychologically, though, he/she would probably be best played as a Blood Elf.

Edit: This would be a good person, actually, for my own character to "wake up" to. Your own profile says you're looking for a family member, right? How about a cousin? The other "black sheep" of the family. PM me if you want to discuss it.

[Zya]

One other possibility is that your elf could've fallen during the third war (prior to the Sunwell blowing up) and, therefore, would have never delved into the fel magic that the rest of the Blood Elves did. Physiologically, he/she would appear High Elf. Psychologically, though, he/she would probably be best played as a Blood Elf.

Edit: This would be a good person, actually, for my own character to "wake up" to. Your own profile says you're looking for a family member, right? How about a cousin? The other "black sheep" of the family. PM me if you want to discuss it.

Sorry guys. I have been putting 15-16 hours in (over the weekend) at my job. I have not had time to even THINK, let alon PM both you guys.

I will soon though. Wish me luck.

[Lascivious]

Xara has a good point. all you elves look alike to the rest of us. i won't give high elfs to hard a time though considering I accidentally made Las a half elf in her DK story and she slept with all the adult males in her family.

i wonder if a high elf, dispossessed somehow to end up leaving her/his community be with blood elves would react after a while. maybe indulging with them in the consumption of magic there-by making their eyes green? Hm. Cmon Zya just do one line, you'll love it!

[Zya]

Xara has a good point. all you elves look alike to the rest of us. i won't give high elfs to hard a time though considering I accidentally made Las a half elf in her DK story and she slept with all the adult males in her family.

i wonder if a high elf, dispossessed somehow to end up leaving her/his community be with blood elves would react after a while. maybe indulging with them in the consumption of magic there-by making their eyes green? Hm. Cmon Zya just do one line, you'll love it!

HAHA! Give in.... Take one hit of Fel... what harm could it do?

Heck, "Fel" sounds like a drug.

Thanks Lascivious for the post.

One more question: I was thinking about what spec to go for DK that would be the least "DKish". I was thinking unholy is just out of the question, as is blood. What do you think about frost?

I haven't played much with frost, but It would look more "pure" as far as magic goes... and it can be explained by whee she exiled herself to.

Thoughts?

[Lascivious]

I'm frost. I like its approach to mitigation. They talents all designed to resists spells or make the opponent miss. Like ha ha you can't hit me. I think I actually know more Unholy and Frost guys than Blood. I think there is a thread here somewhere asking people what their spec is. i was raelly tempted to go Unholy, but Las is cold-blooded. Seemed to fit her style more.

[Keraph]

(I love having balance... one male, one female.... a pacifist and a sadist an ugly one and a pretty one, etc.). It fits my duplicitous mentality.

Clearly I win at responding to things in a timely manner. Anways, I'm exactly the same. My two main characters, Keraph and Cerryan, could hardly be more different. Ker being my evil Forsaken warlord (With a heavy focus on PvP), with Cerryan being my almost naively good 'knight in shining armor' (Who almost exclusively PvEs). It's really refreshing to swap back and forth between the two, and see just how different their RP styles are.

[Taknar]

I'd say the least DKish spec is blood. When people think about Death Knights they either think about evil unholy corrupting power, or the fact that they are all from the north. Blood also has a playstyle that is so different from the other two, relying mostly on physical attacks and sustained damage rather than burst.

[Zya]

Clearly I win at responding to things in a timely manner. Anways, I'm exactly the same. My two main characters, Keraph and Cerryan, could hardly be more different. Ker being my evil Forsaken warlord (With a heavy focus on PvP), with Cerryan being my almost naively good 'knight in shining armor' (Who almost exclusively PvEs). It's really refreshing to swap back and forth between the two, and see just how different their RP styles are.

I agree completely. I am leveling my undead Priest up... and I will have a Dk to do just as you do.


I'd say the least DKish spec is blood. When people think about Death Knights they either think about evil unholy corrupting power, or the fact that they are all from the north. Blood also has a playstyle that is so different from the other two, relying mostly on physical attacks and sustained damage rather than burst.

If Lascivious says its about damage mitigation, that seems more passive than blood. On my other server I am unholy (moved from blood), and blood feels very.... redundant. Also Blood spec just reminds me of Blood elves, something I am trying to get away from more so than the DK image.

Thank you for the posts. I have some thing more to consider.

[Lascivious]

If Lascivious says its about damage mitigation.

keep in mind i was talking about tanking talents as that's where most of my interests lie. i don't tank now ias a warrior because warrior tanking is a struggle for me. so i made a druid to tank, but i'd rather play Lasicivious as a tank so i made her a DK and hoping am hoping for better results. :-)

you know, if you're not sure what you want to do you could just forget about it for a while. my druid's character rolled around in my head for a year before i settled on what i wanted to do with him. and my hunter for about 6 months or so.

[Zya]

Heh. I do that a lot...

Yea I still have time to think on it.

THanks again.