Nether Council communications channels

[Brakogar]

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These are the chat channels used to communicate with the wider Horde RP community. Everyone that RPs is welcomed to join them.

RP channel: /join thehorde

ooc channel: /join councilooc

Please keep in mind that everyone RPs in a different manner and that there are different forms of RP. If you feel that the OOC chat is too excesive then simply ignore or leave the ooc channel.

If you see the RP channel going a bit dry, then try feel free to bring live to it by starting something yourself

You can also use the channels to look for groups, trade or general reasons.

All Horde RPers are welcome to join the channels at their leasure as they are a "safe" alternative to the standard ones.

Remember that a weekly meeting will be held every Saturday at 8pm.

Meetings will be shorter than last Saturday as that was only the initial meeting used to get some facts straightened.

But please remember the golden rule of the council during the meetings:

POLITICS MUST BE KEPT OUT! :twisted:

[Bini_The_Mute]

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But please remember the golden rule of the council during the meetings:

POLITICS MUST BE KEPT OUT! :twisted:

((There was nothing but political scheming and veiled name calling. Ripping factions, races and guilds is not political? Calling people Children, Fools, etc. was rather disappointing. Topping it off with seeing Enheilras drop the F bomb in say and Zusteakai cuss in yell..

No thanks. I really went to your meeting with an open mind hoping to see a difference. I didn't. In fact, it was worse. I tried to give it a shot, but that is not at all what I want to be involved in. After watching that, it seems like you want to be able to say whatever you want about who ever you want but don't want to be held responsible for it. "Nothing the members do who are involved in this council are held accountable IN the council".

It's a mix of OOC and IC and that's too difficult for me to keep separate. I give you a ton of credit for being able to do it.

I wish your council the best of luck. I won't be interjecting my thoughts on the matter any further. You play your way, I'll play mine. It's all good.

[Brakogar]

No one forces you to be a part of it, and yes there was some name calling and the odd agenda there but that is too be expected as each individual is different and I dont have a magic wand to control people's personalities and attutudes. Those who wanted to say something spoke, and that is what the council was all about to maintain communications. However the council was not made into a political force and remains open for everyone to use as they please and that is why for this week at least, it succeeded.

I believe that you are exagerating a bit on the "Ripping Factions and insults" thing since it was comments made by random people shouting out and this was only done by 3-4 people out of 20-30 people or more present.

What is important is that the lines of communication are open again and that is what matters.

What is said IC always has consequences and if someone "insults" you during a meeting it is up to you and that individual or guild to sort it out. What I mean by keeping politics out it means that you dont mix the council in them by creating it part of your RP hatred to another guild as it was done before. I have said this before and I will say it again I am not expecting everyone to be "friends" I am expecting the council not to be portrayed as a political entity in IC conflict between guilds (and they say that I should stop repeating things, geez.)

If it is not your type of RP then dont attend the meetings, it is as simple as that, but the council will never turn you away if you wish to join it to communicate with the rest since it is for the entire community not just a select few. We all have our own style of RP and we are making the council is flexible enough to address that. If it was only for hardcore or a particular type of RP then it would not be open for everyone.

[Longcat]

Erm, it was all a bit iffy for me. I personally don't see much unity in the whole of it, or much control either.

First of all, all the random shouting against so-n-so like "BANSHEE LADY BAD!" or whatever shouldn't even be there. Isn't the council suppose to be completely neutral about if your leader is a stoner or a ghost or guy that has a big hammer? The same should go for regarding all guilds no matter if they're good, neutral, evil, RP all the time or don't even RP at all. There was a lot of negative opinions being thrown around during the meeting.

Making discussions do not feel very possible at all during a meeting without every random person shouting "NO! DAT BAD, MON!" in the middle of a proposal before someone finishes. There were many interuptions during multiple times in the meeting, especially near the end.

The end of the meeting was where it got really ugly... with insulting the guy who left and then trash talking another guild. I don't think it really showed anything of hosting RP events or aiding each other in just simple matters. Sure, a bit of helping each other in MC was said in the beginning, but after that... I don't believe much else was said for events besides the proposal of guild merges that only fell on angry ears. The same deal went to another proposal of a PvP leader.

I don't believe I'll be going to the next meeting. If I want to see if any RP events are coming up, I'll look on this forum instead of trying to pick them out of all the interuptions, emote spamming, idle chatter, and insults to others.

[Brakogar]

To make it more simple than it can possibly be I will say this.

The back bone of the Council is not how meetings go, its keeping us talking. The meeting is just an extra thing to relay information in a more face to face environment. It is not an obligation to attend.

If you dont like meetings then dont attend them and just use the chat channels if you still wish to have some kind of communication with the greater community within the game. The Nether council is just a custom chat tool nothing more (Why do I have to keep repeating myself? :cry: )

If you dont like the meetings then dont attend, but if you want to keep in touch with the wider community use the chat channels.

[Soraxis]

If everyone could hold their judgements on the council for just a minute here, the meetings are not all that goes on in the council...thats just planning things, addressing problems, RPing while doing it etc. etc.

This meeting was especially long and rowdy, mainly because we havent had one in a while and there are quite a few people who hadn't been to one before and didn't quite know what to expect, thats alright but the next one will be better :)

On the insulting topic, this meeting was one just to get everything out into the open, we hadnt had one in a while and lots of pent up stress and such between lots of guilds...after talking for so long it was going to happen eventually. Like I said though, the meetings rarely go on that long...I think the only meeting in council history that did go that long was the one where I stepped down as spokesperson (for personal OOC reasons) so it really shouldn't happen again :)

Even if you don't like the council meetings for whatever reason, thats cool...all that means is that you won't have as much a say in when events are planned, how they are planned etc etc. but you'd still be welcome in the council

I guess I ranted a bit there but I think most of it was relevant or will become relevant soon, I'll stress again...if you didn't like what you saw here, give the council a second chance to get back on its feet :)

[Jawa]

I wonder if this is really the only thing out there. Sorry guys but trying to organize through chaos is an oxymoron. What this server needs is a council with the gonads to actually accomplish something (besides fueling personal egos). Does absolutely no good to have a Council and allow destructive (name calling, guild bashing etc) behavior go unchecked. If you are serious about having a working council then you need to insist those who come do so with respect for others coming.

If this is not possible then we need someone who is willing to step up to the plate who can do it.

[Longcat]

I think questions or saying you wish to speak should be sent in tells to whoever is being the main host while another is speaking to keep from interupting the speaker. At least a line was made for the speakers after a few finished talking.

[Brakogar]

That's more like it! Constructive discussions on what is wrong and what should be fixed. No inmediate "I didnt like this today so that is it!" talk.

No social body has ever taken off on the first go without mayor initial problems.

As long as we discuss what is wrong and how we can make it better instead of declaring it on the first day as failure or boycotting it because you did not like how it went.

[Longcat]

Just don't ignore the things that were said that people did not like.

[Brakogar]

No one was ignored, everyone was given an equal opportunity to speak some even spoke twice.

Look, I cant magically change the community's attitude. We are trying to give the community a choice and/or an opportunity to have a better environment to RP in. If they dont take it or wish to sabotage it due to their attutudes, RP doctrines or whatever then that will be it.

At least it will be in our conscience that we made an effort to make the community a better place, if the community does not want to take it then I cant force them to.

However you can be sure that if this fails and someone else comes up with a similar or different idea but with goals to better the community as a whole, I will do my best to assist them.

[Lupa]

I think Soraxis made a valid point when suggesting that a lot of the things folk took exception with last night won't rear itself as much, if at all, at future meetings. Sooner or later these meetings will cease to be as "entertaining" to many as mundane business and guild reports start to be delivered. Thats when the thrill seekers will stop coming.

Lets be honest, a lot of the folk who came out last night were there as gawkers and rubberneckers only. The Council meeting to them was a curiosity and a diversion. So long as the meetings remain "open attendance" we will have to expect that not everyone who shows up will be serious about playing the meeting RP as we would hope. I'm not suggesting we turn the meetings into an invitation only thing, but we must accept that some might even show up with the expressed intention of causing a disruption, for no other reason than to see the chaos.

The key will be identifying those early on and not giving them the podium. Won't stop the random /tells and /yells I know.

Personally, I had a hoot!

[Bini_The_Mute]

I am not like people who just view the world through the tube of their own agendas.

You sure about that?

You make a LOT of these kind of comments. I wish you would just say what you mean insted of tossing out insinuations.

I hate generalizations. You really should just speak what you feel.. you might get better results.

[Brakogar]

Yes that comment was too obscure and open to the wrong interpretation and I retracted.

What I mean is that some have "insinuated" that I am only doing this for my own personal benefit. Another feeling behind that comment was about those who attended the meeting as agitators or "thrill seekers" as Lupa puts them.

Its been a very stressing week for me and part of my frustration came out in that line and I apologize.

[Malebrignon]

I have a suggestion for all member guilds.

Make sure your leader/council rep joins the "officer" channel for the Council and uses/watches it. Some communication issues we've had could've easily been prevented if guild officers kept in touch. This really needs to apply to all who consider themselves member guilds.

This channel is IC or OOC as necessary. It's not published here as the channel name is not considered public knowledge.

Anwyways, just a thought.

[Darkblade]

I have a question about the RP channel.
How is this realistically supposed to work? Magic psychic link between everyone across the world?
I'm all for RPing (it why I'm here, after all), but this seems to be just like RPing in General Chat. Makes no sense.

[Brakogar]

It works in a similar manner as the RP guild chat. You can simply ignore the fact that its a channel and RP as if the person was infront of you speaking or you can be creative and say that we are speaking through enchanted stones given to each member in a similar way as Talvash's Phial of Scrying works.

[Soraxis]

The way my character explains it is we are all given a [Goblin Soundblaster 2000] and you tune it to different channels like a radio and...yeah :) don't know how many other people follow that though

[Malebrignon]

I've always just treated the "magical" communication as another function of our hearthstones.

"New and improved Azerothian hearthstones! It's a device for transportation, communication, and just about anything else you need.

Friends far away? Call 'em up on your hearthstone!

Priest left your group and you're in deep water? Concentrate on the letters "LFG" and announce what you need!

Back hurt? Azerothian hearthstones can help even the beefiest Tauren pop those vertabrae back into place.

Best of all: IT'S A BELT!

Get your Azerothian hearthstone today for the low, low cost of nothing!
*whispered* Except your soul, of course. "

[Longcat]

Lol, thinking they're all right in front of you? Now that's a bit farfetched when you're chatting to a crowd while you're off grinding on who knows what. I picture it more like the linkshell pearls from FFXI. You just kept the pearl in your inv and I suppose you chatted through it. I like the Goblin Soundblaster idea tho.

[Brakogar]

Lol, thinking they're all right in front of you? Now that's a bit farfetched when you're chatting to a crowd while you're off grinding on who knows what. I picture it more like the linkshell pearls from FFXI. You just kept the pearl in your inv and I suppose you chatted through it. I like the Goblin Soundblaster idea tho.

Dont laugh at other people's style of RP. Making fun, criticising and trying to change the way people RP is not correct and that is how ill feelings are created. You dont like it then dont RP that way and keep ot to yourself, we are all different.

I personally use something similar to Malebrignon's method when I have to involve the communication method in the RP.

[Danyxandra]

Most of the Grims communicate via the hearthstone ala walkie-talkie, which does have a precidence in the game. The goblins at the zeps have walkie talkies so radio-waved communication is a game standard.

That being said, I also enjoy the Rest in Peace, or /join RP. We use this as a tavern called the Rest in Peace inn and it's just like AOL's Red Dragon Inn type of chatting. It doesn't make sense intellectually, but this is fantasy and I can RP however I please.

The more RP chats rooms, the better, I say.

[Nadea]

I verymuch enjoy the Rest in Peace, though I haven't really spoken much. I'm still working on being able to quickly reply in an RP fashion, since Nadea is a very different character than I've ever played before, I'm not always sure what to say.

But I digress.

RP channels, in my opinion, should be treated like you're actually there, in the room with the other people talking. It helps pass the time while you're off leveling your character, which sometimes doesn't feel very "in character". I mean, we've all had those moments.

and I agree. The more RP channels, the better!