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Vuudu
07-28-2006, 03:30 PM
When I played the Star Wars Galaxies MMORPG, several players created a system that allowed characters to "bounty hunt" each other for in game rewards. Since the mechanics of the game did not allow Bounty Hunters to actually take bounties on other players (thanks SOE!) we had to create it ourselves. It was pretty simple:
(1) We had a website where people signed up as either Bounty Hunters, Marks, or Both (BHs had to be marks too).
(2) People would post how many credits (gold) they were offering as a bounty on the head of a certain player.
(3) Since SWG was strickly PvE, hunters had to announce that they were attempting to collect on a bounty when they approached a target. The target was then obligated to turn on PvP so they could fight.
(4) If the target was killed, the hunter posted a screenshot on the webpage to collect the bounty. The person who took out the contract was obligated to pay what was offered. The target was then immune to future contracts for 2 weeks.
(5) If the target killed the Bounty Hunter, that BH could not take a contract on the same person again for 2 weeks.
(6) Violating any rule (refusing to fight, hunting an out-of-bounds target, failure to pay the reward) was grounds for removal from the Bounty Hunting group.
I'm wondering if we could do something like that here. For cross-faction bounty hunting, it would be really easy, since we are a PvP server. For same-faction bounty hunting, we would have to have a rule like that in SWG, that when approached by a BH, you must consent to a duel.
What do you all think? Would this add some interesting roleplaying, assuming we mandated that this is a roleplay group (not a group for the gank-happy non-RPers)?
Redburn
07-28-2006, 03:45 PM
((Hrm... Interesting...
I like the idea.
By the way. 600g bounty on all Crimson Watch Leaders. Go.
(Kidding. XD I'm poor enough already. XD) ))
((Hehe, For 600g I would take you up on that :P ))
Leyujin
07-28-2006, 04:50 PM
Does sound interesting, especially as it's consensual. Would like to ask though... in cases where the bounty is hit 2+ on 1 (the fight begins and someone of the opposing faction comes to help the bounty hunter) or vice versa, what happens? I doubt you can prevent those encounters, so I guess you'd just have to deal with the drama as it came... dunno. Guess we'll see who else is interested?
((Hrm... Interesting...
I like the idea.
By the way. 600g bounty on all Crimson Watch Leaders. Go.
(Kidding. XD I'm poor enough already. XD) ))
http://objection.4camp.net/go.php?n=466579
I'm in on that I think it is a great idea!
Redburn
07-28-2006, 05:23 PM
bah, sneaky rogues :oops:
Karkarov
07-29-2006, 02:20 PM
Sounds good, but there is alot of potential for outside interferance.
Chavie
07-29-2006, 08:49 PM
Sounds good, but there isoutside interferance.
s going to be a chance for outsidehen it comes to things like this
why do you quote pretensious bastard face waaahhh
Sounds good, but there is alot of potential for outside interferance.
Yeah, but there's always going to be a chance for outside interference when it comes to things like this. The thing is to use the interference as an excercise in creativity, rather than let it get in the way of something fun and exciting. :)
I agree it would just add to the entire experience and also add a bit to the RP as well!
Daala
07-30-2006, 10:56 PM
I would be behind it 100%. I'd also be happy to help set it up, run it, any way I can lend a hand, if need be.
Lupen
07-30-2006, 10:58 PM
I wanted to make one of my alts a bounty hunter.
LOVE the idea, not for Lupen, but OOC-ly. If I can help, I will, just contact me.
Noury
07-31-2006, 06:33 AM
Would this be open to all levels? If so, a rule should probably be considered for a minimum "mark" level per hunter lvl. Obviously no need for a maximum mark level. If Nouri can take out that lvl 40 mark then he deserves not only the posted bounty but a nice, fat bonus cheque!
Vuudu
07-31-2006, 09:36 AM
Would this be open to all levels? If so, a rule should probably be considered for a minimum "mark" level per hunter lvl. Obviously no need for a maximum mark level. If Nouri can take out that lvl 40 mark then he deserves not only the posted bounty but a nice, fat bonus cheque!
Very good point. We'll need to work something into the rules that you cannot take a bounty on a target that is ... what ... more than 10 levels lower than you? 5 levels?
I would think 5 levels would be good. In regards to a hunter, what if there would be a rule that anyone over 10 lvls higher (mark) the hunter can get assistance from another hunter around the same lvl and split the reward. Or something like that.
After thought: Course that would be difficult with those of the same faction. hmmm...
Daala
07-31-2006, 10:29 AM
I believe that issues such as 2v1, as well as the level discrepancy, would be remedied by a code of honorable conduct. I vividly recall the Three Musketeers, when you'd see four men against one, but they would wait their turn and never break a 1v1 pattern.
It helps that three of the four Horde races possess codes of honor. Not sure how much Alliance emphasis is placed on chivalry.
Vuudu
07-31-2006, 10:37 AM
I believe that issues such as 2v1, as well as the level discrepancy, would be remedied by a code of honorable conduct. I vividly recall the Three Musketeers, when you'd see four men against one, but they would wait their turn and never break a 1v1 pattern.
It helps that three of the four Horde races possess codes of honor. Not sure how much Alliance emphasis is placed on chivalry.
You read my mind. And even if the races don't hold to honor, the BH group will have to. Or else, you risk losing your right to place/hunt bounties.
Jaeus
07-31-2006, 07:56 PM
You guys covered all the things I would say, and I'd like to be in one this, so if I can help anyway feel free to message me anytime.
Chingaso
07-31-2006, 08:08 PM
Can Chingaso place permanent bounty on Prathe? :twisted:
Niethan
07-31-2006, 09:14 PM
I would totally support this. Bounty Hunters = teh awesome.
On a side note, is there any way to put yourself on a KOS list?
Vuudu
07-31-2006, 09:17 PM
On a side note, is there any way to put yourself on a KOS list?
Well ... based on the Code I am working on for the bounty hunters ... screwing over the organization is punishable by repeated executions. :)
Daala
07-31-2006, 09:18 PM
Now, by registering as a hunter, you also add your name to the list of POTENTIAL candidates. So, you should be able to send a friend some gold for the bounty, and ask him to put a hit out on you.
*grins* Or just screw us over, like Vuudu said.
Niethan
07-31-2006, 09:49 PM
Well, that works too. I'd prefer the hire-a-friend-to-hire-a-hitamn approach more. That way I burn fewer bridges.
So, is this always a kill, or is there a "capture alive" option as well? It would take more work and the grace of the defeated to know he's down, but it would open up much in the way of interrogation plots.
Daala
07-31-2006, 10:40 PM
Well, that works too. I'd prefer the hire-a-friend-to-hire-a-hitamn approach more. That way I burn fewer bridges.
So, is this always a kill, or is there a "capture alive" option as well? It would take more work and the grace of the defeated to know he's down, but it would open up much in the way of interrogation plots.I don't have any problem with that. Can't speak for Vuudu, but I think that would fit nicely!
Vuudu
08-01-2006, 10:04 AM
Vuudu IC: *grunts* If dere be someone dat wants a Mark captured alive ... so much de better. Dey taste better when boiled alive radder den dead.
:)
Anyway, there seems to be some enthusiam for this idea, so we're going to move forward with it and see what happens. To start with, I'd like to work with two other people to help flesh out this idea - one from the Horde and one from the Alliance. When the organization rolls out, they will be the Master Slayers for the group. Daala has already taken the roll of Horde Master Slayer ... and now I need someone for the Alliance side. Anyone interested?
Oh, and this is not a guild. No one needs to leave their guild to be part of this. This is a neutral, cross-faction organization to support vengeance through bloodshed. :)
Grats to Daala. I will help in anything I can on the Horde side if needed. Actually, anything at all. Let me know.
Chavie
08-01-2006, 02:03 PM
fuck me fuck you fuck the two of us together in a great big whale of an ice cream suit
Daala
08-01-2006, 04:15 PM
Grats to Daala. I will help in anything I can on the Horde side if needed. Actually, anything at all. Let me know.Thank you!
At the moment, Vuudu and myself, as well as an Allied MS will be hammering things out in the Sang. forum to get more of a cohesive presentation. Then, we'll open things up for open suggestion/discussion.
At least, I think that's what's happening. In any case, glad to hear some interested folks!
Burgam
08-03-2006, 09:36 PM
Sounds good. I love the interogation RP that can come about once somone is captured alive. I was thinking if you bring a person down to a certain amount of health, then the bounty hunter would be able to capture tehe victim. Or you can fight to the death and have the victim respawn and follow the bounty hunter if s/he loses. And as I'm brainstorming here, there could be a way for there to be "Good" bounty hunters. Bounty Hunters who are paid to capture the enemy and then escort them through dangerous land. I'm sure there will be leet pvp-kiddies or othe rRPers who want to free their captured fellow and will try to slay the Bounty Hunter.
And the plot thickins. I like
Vuudu
08-04-2006, 09:45 AM
Daala and I have been doing a lot of work on the bounty hunter organization lately. I would expect that we are about 1-2 weeks from being able to roll it out to the TNG population. Here's a few things we've come up with.
The organization will be call The Sanguinary. Sounds a bit like Seminary, except the word literally means "bloodthirsty". It is going to be a cross-faction organization. Alliance can take out bounties (Blood Contracts) on Horde, Horde can take them out on Alliance, Alliance can take them out on other Alliance, and Horde can take them out on other Horde. The organization is going to be 99.9% IC. The only time OOC discussion on the forums is allowed is if it is a game mechanic that cannot be described any other way.
The Sanguinary will not use an in-game chat channel. All "messages" will be posted here in a forum that Mortica has set up for us. There will occasionally be in game secret meetings of the Sanguinary ...
Since it is an IC organization, all payment of bounties, disputes between members, and enforcement of rules will take place in an IC fashion. This means that members should be prepared to resolve issues in character, not with out of character complaints. For example, if a Vengeant fails to pay a bounty ... you can kill them. You can stalk them. You can take the matter to the Sanguinary Leaders and demand retribution. But you cannot go OOC and ask that someone be banned from Sanguinary.
So we are about 2 weeks away from getting started. In the meanwhile, we really need someone from the Alliance to help out with this. In order to make the organization truly cross-faction, we need Alliance representation! If someone is interested in helping out, let me or Daala know.
Dewce
08-04-2006, 11:50 AM
this is a totally sweet idea and i'd be for it...
we can have like non participant marks too???
like someone gets ganked and like like xxx amount to the first person to bring me his head.
screenshot, post it. done.
Daala
08-04-2006, 12:07 PM
If you refer to an entire guild acting as a Blood Vengent, I don't see any problem with this. I can't imagine every guild member financially contributing to a bounty, but I see no issue in a consortium Vengent.
Daala
08-04-2006, 12:09 PM
this is a totally sweet idea and i'd be for it...
we can have like non participant marks too???
like someone gets ganked and like like xxx amount to the first person to bring me his head.
screenshot, post it. done.Almost surely not. This is about roleplay, not cash, and if a person isn't participating, then they're either disinterested or they don't know about it. Inform them, by all means, but I highly doubt we'd ever sanction a non-paricipant mark because it'd be dragging them into it, and the entire organization would get flak for it, not just the hunter.
Dewce
08-04-2006, 12:13 PM
understood...
I got to say that I am excited about this. Both of you are doing a great job of putting this together and once we find a willing Alliance participant and will really come together. Thanks for getting it going, and as I said before, if there is anything I can do to help(other than rolling an alliance) I will.
Vuudu
08-04-2006, 12:28 PM
I think we need to discuss non-participant marks internally a bit. Seeing as how this is a PvP server, the mechanism is already there for killing someone from another faction - and you certainly don't have to have a reason to do it. I think i am KOS to Micro for my habit of Viper Stinging their Priests and Paladins mercelessly in the BGs. How is this any different than having a bounty on your head? However, we always need to be careful about crossing the boundary between RPing and harassing someone. Sanguinary is for mature RPers only, since this sort of RP does have the potential to become uncomfortable if not handled properly.
And the bounties can be placed by individuals, guilds, groups, etc. You can also increase and add-on to an existing bounty. Let's say I put a price on Daala's head for 20 gold. After two weeks, no one has collected. I up it to 30 gold. Someone else has a problem with Daala, and they add 20 more gold on top of my 30. Now she has a 50 gold bounty on her head, making her worth that much more in money and reputation to the Slayer.
Lupen
08-04-2006, 04:15 PM
Let's say I put a price on Daala's head for 20 gold. After two weeks, no one has collected. I up it to 30 gold. Someone else has a problem with Daala, and they add 20 more gold on top of my 30. Now she has a 50 gold bounty on her head, making her worth that much more in money and reputation to the Slayer.
... Consider it done.
Dewce
08-04-2006, 05:20 PM
I think we need to discuss non-participant marks internally a bit. Seeing as how this is a PvP server, the mechanism is already there for killing someone from another faction - and you certainly don't have to have a reason to do it. I think i am KOS to Micro for my habit of Viper Stinging their Priests and Paladins mercelessly in the BGs. How is this any different than having a bounty on your head? However, we always need to be careful about crossing the boundary between RPing and harassing someone. Sanguinary is for mature RPers only, since this sort of RP does have the potential to become uncomfortable if not handled properly.
And the bounties can be placed by individuals, guilds, groups, etc. You can also increase and add-on to an existing bounty. Let's say I put a price on Daala's head for 20 gold. After two weeks, no one has collected. I up it to 30 gold. Someone else has a problem with Daala, and they add 20 more gold on top of my 30. Now she has a 50 gold bounty on her head, making her worth that much more in money and reputation to the Slayer.
i agree... since it is a pvp server why not? i mean if some one of the opposite faction does something to you why not put a hit out on him... as long as the bounty hunter isn't like camping their body and/or griefing them in any way why caint the mark no realize he's a part of some RP thing?
Daala
08-05-2006, 12:06 AM
That's fine, if it's cross-faction. However, things become alot stickier in the same faction. I originally included that consideration when you asked your question. If it's not an issue, I see no problem, barring griefing.
Niethan
08-05-2006, 10:30 AM
Reputation was mentioned- in that case, couldn't we keep track of who collects how much in bounties? I mean, if you're out to be a feared bounty hunter, you want a way to prove it rather than just saying "I am fearsome."
Daala
08-05-2006, 11:26 AM
That'll be handled in-house, on the forum.
Vuudu
08-05-2006, 12:05 PM
Yes, definitely planning to work reputation into it. Similar to the way that Blizzard works reputation, except this will be a gold-driven system. So for example (this it NOT the final system or titles):
Neophyte: 0-100 gold
Slayer: 101-500 gold
Predator: 501-1000 gold
Master Slayer: 1001+ gold
As you advance in the Sanguinary, more privaledges will be given to you, including, ultimately, a voice in the leadership.
Daala
08-06-2006, 04:13 PM
Vuudu deserves the majority of the credit, I'm just helping where I can.^^
I'd like to remind everybody that we're still looking for a dedicated Ally to help run things.
Jorah
08-06-2006, 06:55 PM
I would think 5 levels would be good. In regards to a hunter, what if there would be a rule that anyone over 10 lvls higher (mark) the hunter can get assistance from another hunter around the same lvl and split the reward. Or something like that.
After thought: Course that would be difficult with those of the same faction. hmmm...
Maybe with same faction hits, the Mark would be obligated to fight consecutive duels, accepting the next duel immediately and using only the intervening time to bandage, heal or regenerate naturally, depending on whatever rules are adopted - as potting during a duel is generally frowned upon, so maybe drinking a potion between duels should be a no-no in this case as well - by the way, if Vuuduu and Daala are still looking for an Alliance bod to help flesh out the system I'd be glad to put the effort in, assuming Kurohane or the other usual suspects (Hifazat, Barke, the IFR lads) haven't volunteered.
Faelen
08-07-2006, 06:30 PM
This is a very interesting idea and I'd love to be a part of it in any way I can, if you need any assistance or help, even a different perspective of ideas, let me know! Great work so far. :D
Darkblade
08-09-2006, 12:28 PM
This idea sounds awesome, and I only wish I could join in on it.
Zuhkinjo
09-03-2006, 03:34 PM
This is very interesting, especially for Zuhkinjo's situation. His robot, Zuke, has recently been distributing wanted papers for him. The problem is that it's not asking for him to be killed, but to be found and subdued.
Does this organization only deal in killing? Otherwise this would be great to move Zuhk's storyline along.
Daala
09-03-2006, 03:48 PM
Does this organization only deal in killing?Absolutely not. Just about any form of bounty will work as everybody involved is in accord. If a vengent wants a kidnapping, fine, but the vengent, slayer, and target have GOT to be on the same page, and all say it's okay.
The entire point of this is to encourage RP, above all else.^^
Shadowspeak
09-03-2006, 04:13 PM
Allright! I want some assassination attempts at the ol' shadowspeak.
Where do I sighn?
Lelenia
09-03-2006, 04:20 PM
...has anyone on the Alliance side stepped forward to assist? If not, I'd be glad to offer my aid in this...facinating endeavor.
Daala
09-03-2006, 04:32 PM
...has anyone on the Alliance side stepped forward to assist? If not, I'd be glad to offer my aid in this...facinating endeavor.We do have an Alliance Blood Master. That being said, we'd love to have you with us!
We're not live just yet, Shadow. We'll let everybody know when we are, should be very soon.
Rajjah
09-12-2006, 11:57 AM
Oh yes! I absolutely love this idea. This is a good place for rogues to excel and use their gifts the way they were meant to be used, especially in relation to RP. Damn i wish i had my rogue on this server. How exciting for you rogues out there, i always wished for this sort of thing on mine.
Daala
09-12-2006, 06:07 PM
Oh yes! I absolutely love this idea. This is a good place for rogues to excel and use their gifts the way they were meant to be used, especially in relation to RP. Damn i wish i had my rogue on this server. How exciting for you rogues out there, i always wished for this sort of thing on mine.This is for all classes, not just rogues.
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