Congratulations Kirin Tor ((SPOILERS OMFG RUN))

[NotMaithanet]

Last chance to turn away!














Congratulations dumbasses of the Kirin Tor, you're the cause of the death of the first Aspect of the World.

R.I.P Malygos (http://www.wowwiki.com/Malygos_%28tactics%29). I would have sided with you.

[Sanrin]

The fact that you can even kill those things is a little silly >>


edit- On another hand if you can kill it, it kinda deserves to die.

[Lisbet]

WELL YOU KNOW:

1. Dragons, even aspects, aren't Immortal. They're Eternal, but not immune to death. I'd expect the only one impossible to kill by mortals would be Norzdomu only because he's capable of changing time at a whim, and would just make it so you never even showed up. Deathwing wouldn't be a walk in the park, and neither would Alextrezza I'd expect. Ysara is weakened by the sickness in the emerald nightmare, and Malygos is weakened by the insanity brought on by his brother. He might not be "insane" now, but he's sure as hell not stable.

2. If they decide later that they want Malygos back, all they have to do is have Norzdomu rewrite the encounter, so.. yea ;p

[Pyrisath]

You will find out later that the Dragon Aspects are not god-dragons, but rather just dragons separated from a single patriarch, and that their powers are only gifts of the Titans who created them. Even the largest dragon dies eventually, and Malygos had it coming when he declared war on the mortal races instead of just going, "Guys, I'm older and far more experienced than you. If you keep using magic like you are, the Burning Legion will be back." At which point, he can have the other Aspects back his claim. Then we dance in circles with a dead Lich King, and everything is happy! But no. Malygos is an idiot.

Also; Nozdormu is 'missing', and when you go to the Bronze dragon Shrine in Dragonblight to "Find out who the leader of the Infinite flight is", you are shown Nozdormu fighting infinite dragons. While the bronze dragons take this as a malfunction, I assume we all know what's going on here.

[Visca]

Yay! Dragon lore!

[Malethia]

Actually, the act that turns the Red dragonflight against the Blue is Malygos's interference with Azeroth's ley lines. By doing so, he's causing natural disasters that are increasing in severity and would eventually result in widespread destruction. The Reds move against the Blues to preserve the countless lives that would end should the plan continue.

[Anthek]

The last phase of the fight actually has the raid use red dragons to fight, so it's really Alexstrasza and the Red Dragonflight that kills Malygos.

[Jeedup]

Plus, Malygos has been weakened since his last encounter with Deathwing, and his Flight incredibly fractured. So, Aspect or not, he is sorta the weakest link of the chain.

[Emmons]

Also, their numbers are thinned by people farming for blue whelplngs.

[Grayslin]

Err, just being nitpicky, but before deathwing was deathwing, he was an aspect, Neltharion the Earth-warder or something. And isn't he dead? That would make malygos #2.

Feel free to correct me, I'm not 100% on my dragon lore.

[Tirralys]

Why are we killing cool dragons? WHYYYY!?

This sounds like a human plot to commit genocide on races which are not like them! You're next, Draeni!

[NotMaithanet]

Err, just being nitpicky, but before deathwing was deathwing, he was an aspect, Neltharion the Earth-warder or something. And isn't he dead? That would make malygos #2.

Feel free to correct me, I'm not 100% on my dragon lore.

/correctsyou

The other Aspects wouldnt kill Deathwing out of fear for what it'd do to the World.

[Pyrisath]

Err, just being nitpicky, but before deathwing was deathwing, he was an aspect, Neltharion the Earth-warder or something. And isn't he dead? That would make malygos #2.

Feel free to correct me, I'm not 100% on my dragon lore.

Deathwing also has that uber adamantium armor all across his body. Even if we were to have an encounter with him, he'd be nigh impossible to kill.

[Anthek]

/correctsyou

The other Aspects wouldnt kill Deathwing out of fear for what it'd do to the World.

Killing Deathwing wouldn't affect the world at all, seeing as he's trying to do it more harm than help it. The Aspects don't have some mystical control over the responsibilities they were given by the Titan's. Powerful, yes, but killing Malygos doesn't make all the magic in the world disappear.

[NotMaithanet]

I didnt say they did. But that was the reason given for not killing him.

[Anthek]

I didnt say they did. But that was the reason given for not killing him.

No, the reason they couldn't kill him was because of the Demon Soul, with all the Aspects' powers but Deathwing's being halved by it. Once it was destroyed, they did try to kill him, and it's unknown if he survived, although there's been several clues to show that he has.

[Taknar]

I think that this is the fitting conclusion to come to. Malygos had to do *something* to curb magic use. Considering how the elves came to magic in the first place, and how they clung onto it, I couldn't see them just giving it up because a Dragon Aspect asked nicely. Hostility is still the most effective option among all available to Malygos.

Of course, breaking the world leylines in order to funnel more magic to his flight wasn't the brightest move either, since it got the reds involved. Either way, I look forward to killing him. He will be the Vashj/Kael of Wrath, and I intend to see that point in a timely fashion this time around.

[Agnarr]

Either way, I look forward to killing him. He will be the Vashj/Kael of Wrath, and I intend to see that point in a timely fashion this time around.

Yay for every raid having 10 and 25-person difficulties. I may get to see all the content.

Assuming fuckers actually do it late enough so I can join in. Tired of being all "nope, can't join, you guys are starting while I'm still at work" all the time. T.T

[NotMaithanet]

The dragons chased him, but could not find him. Wherever he escaped, they are sure he would not be able to attack in a long time until he is fully recovered. Alexstrasza returned to find Korialstrasz alive. She had thought him dead long ago, when the orcs infiltrated her lair to kidnap her and the eggs.

From the plot synopsis on Blizzplanet. However, it was WoWWiki that said:

The other Aspects might be loathe to eliminate him, as the consequences are unforeseeable.

Assuming that came from somewhere, but might lead to me being mistaken somewhere. It's been a long time since I read Day of the Dragon, and I hated it.

[Imara]

For related perusal ;)

http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/681/

[Rai]

R.I.P Malygos (http://www.wowwiki.com/Malygos_%28tactics%29). I would have sided with you.

but he still would have killed you

[NotMaithanet]

I should clarify, I'll kill him, but after he finished off Rhonin and I got to watch him swallow him whole.

[Taknar]

I should clarify, I'll kill him, but after he finished off Rhonin and I got to watch him swallow him whole.

Wait, does he seriously kill the guy? I would be so happy if this was the case.

Then the Naruu can come and take over the Kirin Tor like they took over Shattrath! ALL HAIL OUR WINDCHIME OVERLORDS!

[NotMaithanet]

Alas, it is but me dreaming.

[Raziel]

2 Points:

Neltharion is alive

Norzdormu has always been able to foresee his own death and knows it's an inevitability. He knows how he will die, when he will die, and what will destroy him.

[Swerto]

On WoW.wiki there is speculation






POSSIBLE SPOILERS








That Norzdormu is the actual leader of the infinite dragonflight and that theya re just the future versions of the bronze dragonflight that went insane (much like Deathwing's did)

[Raziel]

Speculation != Spoilers

[Aquizit]

Speculation != Spoilers


That expression has a value of 1.

-just took programming final-

[Sinthe]

He will be the Vashj/Kael of Wrath, and I intend to see that point in a timely fashion this time around.

More like Gruul/Mags. As far as I know, it's t7 and right after Naxx.

[Keraph]

More like Gruul/Mags. As far as I know, it's t7 and right after Naxx.

He's sorta right on that, in the sense that Malygos is a single-boss raid, as opposed to Kael and Vashj, which are the end bosses of larger raids. It's it's right after Naxx (the Kara of Wrath), then yean, he'd probably still fall in t7 content.

[Visca]

Hopefully I'll actually get to see Something this time >.>

Question, who's going to take place of Malygos lore wise as the leader of the Blue Dragonflight? Or are they done?

[Rai]

That expression has a value of 1.

-just took programming final-haha, you nerd
I understand tho >.>

[Visca]

For related perusal ;)

http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/681/

As for this article, they make some good points... but my theroy on Deathwing is not on the list!

I think he either is, or is going to be, in the Emerald Dream come the expansion After Wrath.

[Pyrisath]

Hopefully I'll actually get to see Something this time >.>

Question, who's going to take place of Malygos lore wise as the leader of the Blue Dragonflight? Or are they done?


(somev variation of the words 'blue', or 'cold')-gos(a)

Just a guess.

[Swerto]

Speculation != Spoilers
It's speculation based on the fact when you do the quest that is supposed to reveal who the leader of the infinite dragonflight is the quest giver shows you an image of Norzdormu. I don't think she was expecting that.

[Jeedup]

I was under the impression that one possible leader of the Infinate Dragonflight was Deathwing, as an attempt to take over the Bronze using their own mojo.

Or hell, some other pissed off dragon, not really an aspect, but with a Titan sized stick up his scaley rump.

[Visca]

Deathwing being the leader of the Infinate Dragonflight? That would be amazing!

From what I've heard, it's supposedly Norzdormu fighting alongside the Infinate Dragonflight in some scryed image of some sort...

But, can't really say anything... not in beta, only see the rumors... Guess we'll find out soon enough?

[Necroxis]

A little clarification:

Nozdormu himself hasn't foreseen his death, Aman'thul (The Titan's leader) SHOWED him his death, the time, the place, who kills him, and why. He did this to show Nozdormu that he isn't as all powerful that his abilities might make him think he is.

Also:

I'm gunning for Kalec or Tyri to take over as the next "Aspect" (If that is how it works). I'd actually go more towards Tyri since she showed some initiative and brought some Netherdrakes back to Azeroth to try and help Malygos, while Kalec kind of just strutted around Azeroth looking after Aveena until the whole Sunwell thing.

[Taknar]

I'd actually go more towards Tyri since she showed some initiative and brought some Netherdrakes back to Azeroth to try and help Malygos, while Kalec kind of just strutted around Azeroth looking after Aveena until the whole Sunwell thing.

To be fair, babysitting the incarnation of the greatest source of arcane power Azeroth has ever seen is a pretty good use of a Blue Dragons time. I mean, it is his shtick.

My hope is that he doesn't get replaced. Even with a new leader, the blue flight will still have the responsibility to make sure magic isn't being abused and Dalaran is fucking floating. The mortals of Azeroth aren't going to stop doing dangerous things with magic. I mean c'mon, they're still summoning demons and shit after having brought the ultimate evil to the world THREE TIMES. They aren't going to learn their lesson. The only logical conclusion in my eyes is the eradication of the blue flight, followed by the next expansion having magic do something crazy and the spirit of Malygos appearing in <insert sanctuary city here> and yelling "HA! I told you so! Fuckers..."

[Zephrythos]

I mean c'mon, they're still summoning demons and shit after having brought the ultimate evil to the world THREE TIMES. They aren't going to learn their lesson.


Damn warlocks ruining everything..

[Raziel]

There can be a new leader, but not a new Aspect. You'd have to have the Titans return for that.

[Necroxis]

To be fair, babysitting the incarnation of the greatest source of arcane power Azeroth has ever seen is a pretty good use of a Blue Dragons time. I mean, it is his shtick.

I know, I know. Maybe I'm a little prejudiced against Kalec because the majority of the people I talk to about him act as if he is a god. And true, he did protect Anveena (incarnation of the Sunwell), but I guess it depends on who "picks" the new Aspect.

From the Mortal (And other dragonflights' perspective):

Kalec would be the choice seeing as he DID protect Anveena and helped reestablish the Sunwell thus "purifying" the Blood Elves of their taint, for the most part. This could be seen as helping all the races, so I would guess they would pick him.

From the Blue Dragonflight's perspective:

Tyri was the one who helped Malygos regain a great deal of his sanity. While we as the mortals/players see this as aiding Malygos in beginning the War on Magic Users. She really did have good intentions of bringing the Netherdrake's back to heal him. And since the Blue Dragonflight revere Malygos, they probably revere Tyri for helping him more than any of them could. I would also assume that some or all of the Blue Dragonflight could get the impression that Kalec left selfishly to protect Anveena, not because she was the Sunwell reincarnate, but because he grew to love her.

My guess is that if a new dragon MUST be chosen as the "aspect," it will either be decided by Alexstrasza and the other Aspects, or the Blue Dragonflight themselves if they distance themselves from the other flights after this.

Of course this whole situation could also go completely the other way. Who do we know that is good at manipulating lesser or downtrodden beings who also has a connection with the Blue Dragonflight. I'm talking about Deathwing. While at first you might say "But, Necroxis, Deathwing destroyed the majority of the blue dragonflight so why would they go with him?" However, the remainder of Malygos' flight, for the most part, have been imbued with magic to become more powerful. I'm potentially seeing a Blood Elven-esque thing happening. Deathwing is extremely powerful and cunning, promising the Blue Dragonflight that they can have however amount of magic they wish, if they follow him.

Seeing as Alexstrasza said she and her flight would take up Malygos' responsibilities temporarily, the Blue Dragonflight would have no obligation to stay allied to the Green, Red, and Bronze flights. I suspect they will also hate Alexstrasza and the Red Dragonflight as much as (or even moreso) than Deathwing's Black Dragonflight.


My hope is that he doesn't get replaced. Even with a new leader, the blue flight will still have the responsibility to make sure magic isn't being abused and Dalaran is fucking floating. The mortals of Azeroth aren't going to stop doing dangerous things with magic. I mean c'mon, they're still summoning demons and shit after having brought the ultimate evil to the world THREE TIMES. They aren't going to learn their lesson. The only logical conclusion in my eyes is the eradication of the blue flight, followed by the next expansion having magic do something crazy and the spirit of Malygos appearing in <insert sanctuary city here> and yelling "HA! I told you so! Fuckers..."

I don't know about this, Alexstrasza basically ended the whole "war" by killing Malygos, so I doubt the Blue Dragonflight will even be a threat, on their own, anymore with no leader as powerful as the other aspects.

All I know is, BC kind of failed in terms of bringing us into the lore (Unless you were deep into raid content), but WotLK is just throw lore at us left and right.

Awesome

[Naheal]

Killing Deathwing wouldn't affect the world at all, seeing as he's trying to do it more harm than help it. The Aspects don't have some mystical control over the responsibilities they were given by the Titan's. Powerful, yes, but killing Malygos doesn't make all the magic in the world disappear.

Some would argue that the initial destruction of the Well of Eternity was what spread magic around the world.

However, I have nothing solid to back that up.

[Abric]

All I know is, BC kind of failed in terms of bringing us into the lore (Unless you were deep into raid content), but WotLK is just throw lore at us left and right.

Because... fighting Malygos isn't going to be a raid? That's just silly talk, son - silly!

Wrath of the Lich King is bringing us a lot of closure on things that have been up in the air since the RTS. Burning Crusade? Just closed down storylines from Frozen Throne; i.e. Illidan and justified the existence of Blood Elves and Draenaei, past being the pretty race for Horde and the shaman's for Alliance.

Time of the dragons is going away! Metzen is just steering it the same route as most other high fantasy settings. Dragons are old school - the humans are new school. RACIST!

[Necroxis]

Because... fighting Malygos isn't going to be a raid? That's just silly talk, son - silly!

Wrath of the Lich King is bringing us a lot of closure on things that have been up in the air since the RTS. Burning Crusade? Just closed down storylines from Frozen Throne; i.e. Illidan and justified the existence of Blood Elves and Draenaei, past being the pretty race for Horde and the shaman's for Alliance.

Time of the dragons is going away! Metzen is just steering it the same route as most other high fantasy settings. Dragons are old school - the humans are new school. RACIST!

Ok...the actual FIGHT with him is a raid...but you see Malygos out and about in Northrend. Considering you get the key to the Eye of Eternity, you can consider him T7+ content. My comparison is: Did you ever see Lady Vashj or Kael actually out in the world where you could interact with them without fighting them? No, not really. The same with Illidan.

And I really doubt dragons will ever go away in WoW...they play too big of a part.

[Visca]

Because... fighting Malygos isn't going to be a raid? That's just silly talk, son - silly!

Wrath of the Lich King is bringing us a lot of closure on things that have been up in the air since the RTS. Burning Crusade? Just closed down storylines from Frozen Throne; i.e. Illidan and justified the existence of Blood Elves and Draenaei, past being the pretty race for Horde and the shaman's for Alliance.

Time of the dragons is going away! Metzen is just steering it the same route as most other high fantasy settings. Dragons are old school - the humans are new school. RACIST!

Actually... Blood Elves had A Lot to do with lore pre-wow. It was about time they were implemented in WoW when BC came out. True Burning Crusade was a lore fest for Sin'dorei and Draenaei... but it had more than just that. The Burning Legion. The Orcs returning to their homeland. Reuniting with heroes of WC2.

And Wrath will not be the end of Dragons. Don't forget the Emerald Nightmare is still out there. This will have a fair amount of Dragon lore too. Atleast green, though I wouldn't be surprised if the other Dragon Flights came in as well... Deathwing is still out in the universe somewhere, and I belive it is in the Emerald Dream... might even be helping whatever it is thats Causing the Emerald Nightmare. Think he's gonna be the Illidan of EN.

Anyways, that is far off...Atleast a year after Wrath... perhaps more... The point is, Dragon lore is in this one as well as other aspects. We have the obvious encounters with the Lich King, we have this war with the Blue Dragon Flight, we have nerubs worshiping an old god (something I think is bigger than mentioned...) We have more creation lore with the titans... We have the whole Varthismas betraying Sylvanas, we have the return of the king of stormwind... A Lot is happening.

I hated Arthas, wasn't that good a villain in my opinion... but I am happy to see that there is So Much More going on. I am interested in seeing what unfolds with this magic war...

[Abric]

Did you ever see Lady Vashj or Kael actually out in the world where you could interact with them without fighting them? No, not really. The same with Illidan.

Kael and Illidan had a good part in a lot of things outside actually fighting them; most of it in Shadowmoon Valley, but still present. Though, I believe that is a little unfair to make in any example - as Blizzard continues to make things more interactive and a better 'show' as they further their train along.

I haven't done much in the Dragonblight on beta, but I've yet to see Malygos. I've seen a lot of the Lich King, though - both visually and verbally. But Malygos? Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

Don't want to look like I'm raining on your parade Necroxis (except I don't like your name, because we have a priest Necrosis) ... but I think you may be selling Burning Crusade too short. I am not one to truly defend it, as I've had my own problems with it... but those are minor complaints of an RPer who thinks too highly of himself.

Wrath of the Lich King is not the Second Coming of Christ. It's merely a step back into Warcraft - a step we took away into "Metzens Magical Land of Space Invaders."

[Aquizit]

You know... if Metzen just went.. "It's my game, and I want space goats." .... Who would argue?

Ahem, -on- topic.. (considering I'm one of these crazy mods for this forum) I'm stoked. The screenies I've seen plus my first Warcraft experience -being- WC3 and Frozen Throne -- this is like Christmas.

One month early! Woo~

[Necroxis]

Kael and Illidan had a good part in a lot of things outside actually fighting them; most of it in Shadowmoon Valley, but still present. Though, I believe that is a little unfair to make in any example - as Blizzard continues to make things more interactive and a better 'show' as they further their train along.

I haven't done much in the Dragonblight on beta, but I've yet to see Malygos. I've seen a lot of the Lich King, though - both visually and verbally. But Malygos? Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

Don't want to look like I'm raining on your parade Necroxis (except I don't like your name, because we have a priest Necrosis) ... but I think you may be selling Burning Crusade too short. I am not one to truly defend it, as I've had my own problems with it... but those are minor complaints of an RPer who thinks too highly of himself.

Wrath of the Lich King is not the Second Coming of Christ. It's merely a step back into Warcraft - a step we took away into "Metzens Magical Land of Space Invaders."

I'm talking about interacting actually WITH the character's not doing quests like "Oh *insert bad guy* is causing trouble, he did *insert bad thing* Go fix it!"

Because even when you complete the quest and you "fix" the *insert bad thing* that they did, nothing really happens. The exceptions that I can think of off hand are: The one quest in HFP where you stop that elite crystal giant and then Panthelon the Calculator yells at you. And in SMV where Illidan spouts a few things after 3-4 hard chains completed.

And I never said BC didn't work. The Burning Crusade brought a whole new spectrum of ideas and concepts into WoW that redefined the word "Awesome" in terms of WoW. I actually loved BC, it was insane.

What I meant by my comment is that Burning Crusade had a lot of high concept ideas lorewise that they basically threw at us in Frozen Throne all at once (Cept the BEs, but we didn't know they changed into BEs until FT), and then they resolved almost every conflict within the same expansion. I really didn't like that. Now that's not to say that there weren't some cool lore things. "Pure" Draenei I thought were awesome, despite some other people's opinions. Bringing Lady Vashj back into the game made me happy because she's my 2nd favorite lore character (Kel'Thuzad is/will always be #1 MY CHILDREN!). The Kil'Jaeden and Sunwell events were badass too.

WotLK is bringing us WoW (Which we love) in the setting of Northrend from FT( Which we loved), so naturally, unless they sat on their ass and did nothing, is going to be better.


Ahem, -on- topic.. (considering I'm one of these crazy mods for this forum) I'm stoked. The screenies I've seen plus my first Warcraft experience -being- WC3 and Frozen Throne -- this is like Christmas.

One month early! Woo~

Exactly supports my previous comment.

Plus there IS more interaction with the primary lore characters, several quest chains actually have the Lich King appear in front of you, and stuff happens. Not to mention important Lore-altering events such as the Wrathgate situation.


You know... if Metzen just went.. "It's my game, and I want space goats." .... Who would argue?

Exactly, but apparently that isn't a good defense because people can't argue against it. But I feel this way as well. WOO!

Also: Malygos flies around Borean Tundra and Coldarra on occasion, here is a picture of him out and about and not in the Eye of Eternity:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/8/89/Malgos.jpg

[NotMaithanet]

That dragon has one big beard.

[Taknar]

Yeah....Malygos is freaky.

SPOILER!!!


















In the nexus there is a questline where you teamup with a female red to piss off the blue flight that ends with you killing one of Malygos consorts in order to lead him out of the nexus. Red dragons are flying around everywhere when Malygos comes out, and he pwns them all. Then he lands right in front of you and the female red and basically says "You killed my woman. You're my bitch now." and runs off with the red. You then get to fight her as the last boss of the first nexus instance.

[Agnarr]

You know... if Metzen just went.. "It's my game, and I want space goats." .... Who would argue?

He did and we did, respectively.

[Necroxis]

Yeah....Malygos is freaky.

SPOILER!!!

In the nexus there is a questline where you teamup with a female red to piss off the blue flight that ends with you killing one of Malygos consorts in order to lead him out of the nexus. Red dragons are flying around everywhere when Malygos comes out, and he pwns them all. Then he lands right in front of you and the female red and basically says "You killed my woman. You're my bitch now." and runs off with the red. You then get to fight her as the last boss of the first nexus instance.

More like badass.

Honestly though, Malygos has a point in what he is doing. Perhaps he is going about it the wrong way, destroying the crust of the Azeroth's ground and all, but hes right. Reckless use of magic is what brought the Burning Legion here before, and it will probably be the reason of it again, now with the Sunwell reignited.

Although it would never happen, it would be pretty badass to be able to side with Malygos and then Rhonin/Vereesa would be the "end boss" of the dungeon "Dalaran." Definitely bring an insane amount of choice into the matter.



You know... if Metzen just went.. "It's my game, and I want space goats." .... Who would argue?

He did and we did, respectively.


Yes, and most people don't have a problem with it. :)