Are we declaring any person or group kill on sight yet?

[Dhurandal]

Mind you, I'm not volunteering for this. Sometimes I think I'm getting to into The Venture Co. and trying to help promote an atmosphere, but some people get rubbed the wrong way by that. I apologize ahead of time if you think my viewpoint about this is wrong.

Guild Name: Flawed

Say hello to the group that has become the "villains'' for my character. Not good villians either like the Joker was to Batman or Lex Luthor was to Superman or Megatron was to Optimus Prime. These are the everyday common street thugs that need to be beat down on a daily basis.

These guys are griefers. A pure PvP guild that has chosen to grief the opposing faction because they're bored with the fact that no-one is queueing for 20-29 BG's when they're all 29's. Check the WoW forums. They're going intentionally to Duskwood and the Wetlands where people quest to get to their 30's or higher up in their 20's to kill questing Alliance. Sure, people can call it one of those "Horde attacks on an Alliance town that I should just RP around".

Heck, no. They haven't even griefed me yet and I'm offended by their behavior. They aren't remorseful about it. In fact, they start several threads taunting the Alliance about their actions. Not RP, mind you. Pure PvP trashtalk threads. They're not getting BG dings so they're griefing and trying to goad people into BG's to "teach them a lesson". I find that attitude deplorable.

If you see one around, remember that they're the worst of the Horde. Their guild marker should tell you that they deserve neither pity nor respect. Do your utmost to disturb their activities without hindering your own fun...because you're here to have fun!

Personally, if I can...I'd have a lot of fun getting on them.

Oh...For those of you that roll Horde, try not to help these guys either. The harder these guys have to work for anything, the better the realm will be. If you know an Alliance guild that does equivalent actions, do let us know so I know not to heal them, buff them, or to believe them when they say "they were ganked".

Rant over. Whee. I'm full of these.

[Teelia]

He's right. If you play horde, please do everything you can not to let these dick-cheese's succeed.

We don't need an Echelon on this server too.

[Tarlithion]

Put me on your KoS list. Because I'll eat your brains! YAAAAR BRAINS

Riltennor Stonehoof, Tauren Warrior of Asskickage

[Noury]

Flawed...

Those are the same guys who were camping Moonbrook last night.

Same guys who had 2 lvl 28 guys repeatedly attack a lowly lvl 12 gnome warlock who was flagged for defending his lands against Horde aggression (and ended up being the only one flagged in the area for a time.. everyone else split on me! =(

These guys were also killing off the Defias Messenger non stop..

Yeah... KOS IMHO.


Except, thats probably part of their aim...

[Abric]

I've always had an aversion to KoS Lists. Typically... if you are on somebodies KoS list, that means they did something 'bad.' Typically, a 'bad' thing is game related... not roleplaying related.

- Non-Rpers
- Griefers
- Stupid Guild, in all definitions of Stupid

By giving them a coveted position as a "KoS" you are giving them credit... acceptance... a larger life than what they should be given.

Do what you got to do; this is just my opinion on things... and what do we do with opinions?

Spread them around without regard to who is listening, if its on topic, or even if it's a good one!

*Smothers everybody in his opinion*

[Hifazat]

Righto they die.

[Dhurandal]

I've always had an aversion to KoS Lists. Typically... if you are on somebodies KoS list, that means they did something 'bad.' Typically, a 'bad' thing is game related... not roleplaying related.

- Non-Rpers
- Griefers
- Stupid Guild, in all definitions of Stupid

By giving them a coveted position as a "KoS" you are giving them credit... acceptance... a larger life than what they should be given.


Flawed.

Non-RPers? Check! Look at their guild listing on the WoW thread where they make several mentions as to how they rank their guild:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-theventureco&t=3053&p=1&tmp=1#post3053

They had to mention it twice! First time they say PvP: 5, RP: -6. Second time they say "RP: Yeah, right. PvP: 2,000,000.

Griefers? Listen to Nouri. Listen to their own words.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-theventureco&t=3885&p=1&tmp=1#post3885

Because we're too busy RPing to queue up, they're going to grief us because they need something to do. Roleplayers wouldn't have that problem, right? So they go to high population areas where they can disturb players purposefully. Kill the Defias in Moonbrook, go to where people they can slaughter at their level en masse. "So Until you guys grow a pair and start queing, we aren't really wasting our time, we are wasting yours, which is totally fine with me."

Not only are in this thread, they taunt on this one:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-theventureco&t=4098&p=1&tmp=1#post4098

Then, one of them posts proof of their activities on this one:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-theventureco&t=4184&p=1&tmp=1#post4184

Sure, she mentions they are bots. However, there are all those testimonials from other people saying they were griefing in some other threads. That and the fact that so many of them are actually in Duskwood? They're obviously not there to grind for levels.

Stupid guild? There's way too many things to link for that.

Oh. I give them credit. I give them credit for being asshats that shouldn't be on this server. I accept them as people that need to be rejected. "KoS" is a coveted position between roleplay guilds. This is cleaning up the realm for gameplay.

[Abric]

... you missed the point, chuckles.

[Fhenrir]

Abric's point was that, in his personal opinion, they don't deserve the attention you're giving them by putting them on a "KoS List".

[Dhurandal]

I got his point. I illustrated why I thought otherwise. If you put your point on here, you should be prepared to address people that state otherwise. I placed an opinion down, Abric addressed it, then I addressed it back.

He mentioned a few things and I pointed it out for other people reading this thread to see where I'm coming from.

You'd prefer that we don't do anything about non-roleplaying griefers? I thought that was doing something bad in terms of gameplay, but maybe I'm wrong to think that and these guys should be left alone to do as they damn well please and allowed to thrive without a community response.

I absolutely contest the concept that by killing these guys whenever you run across them on the field and telling people to refuse aid, that I'm "validating their existence". By that assertion, I should simply ignore botters, gold farmers, people with bad names because I'd be "validating their existence".

I never once said anything to say he wasn't entitled to his opinion. I was just strengthening mine. Telling me that I missed the point of his response is insulting my intelligence.

The retort in simplified terms for those that seem to like them is this...

My argument.
Flawed = Bad people + Do bad things = Should not be tolerated.

His argument.
Flawed = Not worth our time.

Or maybe I'm wrong? Maybe "KoS" is so special for us that we should only reserve it for roleplaying guilds who don't grief!

Edit: Well, this seems to be less of a "KoS" point and more of a "do not help". Flawed folded and apparently decided to roll Alliance so they get insta-queues. Huh.

[Castor]

FYI all of TNG is on my KOS list. :twisted:

But don't take it personal. Everyone on alliance is on my KOS list. My goal is to have the most kills on the server.

PvP, world or otherwise, here I come!

[Dhurandal]

Were you the Castor that was around Lakeshire earlier? Jeez. I was fighting him and Polluxx...Well, not so much fighting until I got some decent reinforcements. The idiot priest kept making me use all my mana healing him when he kept charging in without any help. Should stop being a hero and let people die.

[Zasu]

FYI all of TNG is on my KOS list. :twisted:

But don't take it personal. Everyone on alliance is on my KOS list. My goal is to have the most kills on the server.

PvP, world or otherwise, here I come!

Awesome!

[Castor]

Were you the Castor that was around Lakeshire earlier? Jeez. I was fighting him and Polluxx...Well, not so much fighting until I got some decent reinforcements. The idiot priest kept making me use all my mana healing him when he kept charging in without any help. Should stop being a hero and let people die.

That was us! Yeah we like to go there and pick on the highbies :P

I had a lot of fun last night. You guys finally started to work together and then it became hard for us to do anything. It was about 3 am by then so we decided to call it a night.

Don't worry, we'll be back. :D

[Chingaso]

The idiot priest kept making me use all my mana healing him when he kept charging in without any help.
LeeRoy Jenkins is a Priest? 8O

:twisted: