Those Who Hate Deathknights

[Niethan]

I'm pretty sure my thoughts on Blood Elves is rather well known-- I dispise them, not for the lore but for the fact that they stole all the best rpers I knew and, subsequently, their characters. How many souls were laid low by the invasion of The Prissy? We may never know exact numbers, but for many, the cost was too high.

Now, with Wrath on the horizon and more and more people starting to write up stories for thier DKs, I dread the coming of the next wave of character abandonment. Why must this be? We used to have a server full of colorful, unique characters on both sides of the fence. Then BC hit, and we had a wave of "oooh I'm pretty and arrogant and evil! tee hee!" Now it's gonna be "ooh I'm dark and scary and eeeeevil, tee hee! I mean, muahahaa!"

I weep for the death of countless.

[Taknar]

Well, what can I say? Sometimes sticking with the same character is boring. I've played the cackler for 4 years. New class is new, and nice.

There are also a lot of people I know who are bringing old characters back as Death Knights, as I'm doing.

[Tirralys]

Meh. I mean, not everyone is ditching/switching characters just because it's new and shiney.

I made a BE Paladin because...well...I like paladins. I had a level 60 Paladin on CC (before we moved to TN) and then got Tirralys up to 70. If there were and ogre paladin, I would have done it. Paladins, along with Death Knights, are my thing.

I was hoping that Ogres would be the new Horde race, and that Death Knights would be released as a new class in TBC. Niether of which happened. So, my character abandonment has been coming pre-TBC. Ela'Jinn is fun, I love priest healing, but I really can't do much other then heal...

With the DK's coming out, this will be my first chance to play a DPS class I don't fully blow at. My first TN character was a Rogue, and I went to priest when I first saw a really cool Troll Priest (who did eventually cause much drama and leave the guild, but besides that he was cool) and the fact that my DPS blew the big one compared to other rogues, prompted me to change classes and race. Then TBC came and I had the ability to become a paladin on horde side, so I took it.

Now, I suck at most DPS classes. They're either too squishy for me, or the bulk of my power ends up being in a pet. Shaman wasn't bad persay, but I knew I'd end up just becoming a shaman healer in the end so I never got past 45. Death Knights, on the other hand, are anti-paladin, in that the bulk of my power still lies with my character, though I do have a meager ghoul pet as backup! I'm not squishy, and I can wield a big sword (or a shield!) which makes me happy. I leveled both of my paladins as Protection spec - people might say I'm crazy, but I love it. I levelled my first War Prot too. My second I went Arms/Fury for Hammer Spec, but now that that's being ripped away from me...T_T QQ etc etc. I will miss being able to heal myself with actual healing spells, but I think I can get over that.

All in all, DK embodies what I like about all the classes (because they're overpowered? That's simply a coincidence) so it should be the optimal choice for my personal play style. Especially since I like Paladins so much, and spreading diseases does make me feel giddy (not to mention Lichborne, I'm putting 11 points in frost just for that, and I'll be getting toughness too, and then going up the unholy tree) so...don't feel bad that Tirralys/Ela'Jinn/Licidion are gone, but view them as potential stepping stones to a greater good. A more refined character. A better RPer. They were fun while they lasted, but just like Jack Nickelson and Heath Ledger, my characters thus far have either been too silly or too dark. It's time for me to aim for the Mark Hamill kind of Joker, that's just the right mix of the two.

At least, that's my excuse. So don't hate me because I chose to become, nay, evolve to a DK. I was just drawn that way.

Edit - P.S. Mark Hamill makes one badass joker.

[Nadea]

At least some awesome Undead RP will become of some of the DKs...

[Keraph]

What if your DK IS your original character? >.>

[Raziel]

THE ENHEILRAS WAS BEFORE
THE ENHEILRAS WILL BE AFTER
THE ENHEILRAS IS NOW!

[Pyrisath]

I slightly share your view, Niethan. Blood Elves are not really supposed to be -- Evil, if anything they are Chaotic Good or Lawful Neutral. But yes, there are a lot of Blood elves running around. The only thing one can do is make an orc or troll or tauren, but only the orc appeals to me as a player. Tauren are too ancestor base, trolls are too tall, but orcs just have a nice backstory, and are just the right size. Blood Elves and undead, however, allow me to play a race that I can 'relate' to, persay, while still allowing me to be on my preferred faction. All of the above, however, is irrelevant to the original topic, so I will return to what is at hand.

Deathknights are evil. They live by natural selection. People will get bored of their DK's after the initial rush, when they find that their new casting system is teh shit for them. Thus the strong shall survive and triumph, and the weak shall be trampled underfoot. I will make it a point of dueling every DK I see, just so I can prove that I am the superior. If not? I need more power. But that is on an RP level.

On a player level, DK's are everything I wanted in a class. Dark-based, reckless, no reason to wear any shield. They have a kick-ass back story that allows me to enjoy story lines previously unavailable simply because my priest never had any reason to hate the Scourge besides killing him. Now I have a character who is mostly wrapped around the Scourge story line, which I have always been attracted to in the first place.

TL;DR DK's live by natural selection, don't hate me 'cause I'm dead and stronger.

[Advurb]

Hate DKs? That's okay, you'll have more reason to hate me later when I farm your arena teams.

[Thalarios]

Hate DKs? That's okay, you'll have more reason to hate me later when I farm your arena teams.

Roll Alliance come Wrath and carry me in 2s please.

[Advurb]

ORC DK = OP

[Thalarios]

Uh...Roll Draenei and get an OP heal imo.

[Advurb]

Haha Gift of the Naaru is garbage!

[Taknar]

Haha Gift of the Naaru is garbage!

It's going to scale with AP. Don't shrug it off.

[Advurb]

Stun reduction and blood fury > gift

[Naheal]

It's going to scale with AP. Don't shrug it off.

What? Like AT and MT scaling? Lol?

[Thalarios]

Haha Gift of the Naaru is garbage!

Hey! I've seen a plenty of people in the 1500s casting it instead of CCing me and running!

Garbage my tush.

[Advurb]

Yeah, and I got carried to Duelist by Codeo and Chudly. I think I know what I'm talking about. >.>

[Thalarios]

Yeah, and I got carried to Duelist by Codeo and Chudly. I think I know what I'm talking about.

Ack, I was foolin' around. Nobody loves Draenei racials.

Roll a Dwarf.

[Advurb]

Meh if I was alliance I'd probably go Human. But I'll stick with orc :P

[Thalarios]

You suck!

[Okhu]

Don't Worry Niethan.. Okhs coming back in Wrath.. and she's going to give behind your ears cold undead touches.... *Plots*

[Kaliera]

For me, I lost all faith in Blizzard having half a clue what they're doing with the druid class. They botched it in vanilla, they botched it in BC, and I'm willing to bet they'll botch it in Wrath.

With the storylines Kaliera is currently a part of, I'm given an opportunity to still play Kaliera while not being forced to deal with blizzards back-and-forth class raping stance on the druid class. Instead, I get to play a class that has had a whole development team carefully watching the numbers and tweaking them as such, and it's rather fun to boot!

I get my original (and favorite) character back without dealing with a shitty class. To hell with anyone who hates her (or me) for the choice.

[Anthek]

For me, I lost all faith in Blizzard having half a clue what they're doing with the druid class. They botched it in vanilla, they botched it in BC, and I'm willing to bet they'll botch it in Wrath.

With the storylines Kaliera is currently a part of, I'm given an opportunity to still play Kaliera while not being forced to deal with blizzards back-and-forth class raping stance on the druid class. Instead, I get to play a class that has had a whole development team carefully watching the numbers and tweaking them as such, and it's rather fun to boot!

I get my original (and favorite) character back without dealing with a shitty class. To hell with anyone who hates her (or me) for the choice.

I wouldn't be so concerned. At least, with Anthek in level 80 blues and heroic gear, he's doing more damage than any spec of my warrior, as both Balance and Feral. -_-

Healing's a complete different situation, but I don't think it's so off or above any other healers right now.

[Tillna]

Thal almost had a d-d-d-d-derailment

[Kaliera]

I wouldn't be so concerned. At least, with Anthek in level 80 blues and heroic gear, he's doing more damage than any spec of my warrior, as both Balance and Feral. -_-

Healing's a complete different situation, but I don't think it's so off or above any other healers right now.

Same thing happened in the BC beta, then Blizzard saw fit to neuter the class as a whole aside from restoration. This time around, they seem quite eager to fist restoration as well, though I doubt it'll be nearly as severe.

The problem with blizzard and the druid class is that they make these small tweaks that blow certain parts of the class either way over the top of way below par, and they have yet to find a middle ground for over four years. Frankly, I'm tired of waiting in good faith.

[Boulderdash]

In terms of getting back to the original post...

If you really think about it, when considering the people who bailed on their normal characters to play a blood elf (for reasons other than to play a paladin, since there wasn't really any choice there)... are those really the people you want to RP with anyway?

From what I've seen, most of the people who play BEs and who role-play are overly sensitive, overly dramatic, and completely vapid.

Note: I said most, not all.

Death Knights will obviously see a large surge in popularity to start with... but to be honest, I think people will start returning to their mains after awhile. Everyone likes the new flavor, but unless it's something truly spectacular, you tend to go back to ordering your usual.

[Leyujin]

Heh... when I first heard about DKs being in the expansion, I had begun to plan just as a few others have done: bring back my main as a DK. Now, I've done a one-eighty, and going to stay as my warrior. Whether it's a trashy talent or not, the prospect of dual-wielding TWO HANDED AXES is just too great to ignore. I think DKs open up a lot of interesting RP storylines, but I won't deny that there'll likely be a lot of undesirables. I think that, overall, the positives outweigh the negatives, but we'll see.

[Agnarr]

Maybe I need to roll a druid to see how they suck, because all I see from them now is my face getting owned when fighting one.

[Kaliera]

Maybe I need to roll a druid to see how they suck, because all I see from them now is my face getting owned when fighting one.

It's an arena/raid thing. As far as PvE goes, feral tanks are only wanted as OTs, cat DPS is abysmal at best, and moonkin are a laughing stock when compared to the other caster classes. In high-end arena, anything a feral or moonkin can do, a rogue or (insert caster here) can do it better, and generally without needing to spend precious mana on shapeshifts to boot.

One on one, a druid can outlast many different classes. I have no issue with their one on one prowess. When the game is designed around group content, I want to play a class that isn't put to shame in group environments.

[Islefr]

I've kind of got a story set up for a death knight, but he won't exist for at least a month after launch, 'cause I want to explore the territory where the story's taking place.

Also, I don't understand the hate towards blood elves. Maybe that's because I didn't join WoW until about 6 months after the opening of Burning Crusade.

[Taknar]

Also, I don't understand the hate towards blood elves. Maybe that's because I didn't join WoW until about 6 months after the opening of Burning Crusade.

I can't speak for everyone but I can list my reasons why I dislike the addition.

1) The introduction of vanity as an RP niche

Before blood elves joined the Horde, we were all concerned with power, tradition, survival or sucking up to Jaina and Co. (I <3 you Sanctuary!) When people started coming over from Alliance to play Blood Elves, and dropping other characters to become blood elves, these RP strains took a bit of a backseat to society changes, romances and other Blood Elf specific things. As an elderly troll cleric, how do I RP with people who are all concerned about who loves who, who betrayed who, or who insulted what lord? I really don't.

2) The shift in identity for the Horde

In game I see more Blood Elves than any other race. When grouping in instances, 3 out of 5 of the players are generally Blood Elves. The Horde that I joined, one of a tribal people ekking out a place for themselves in a world that considers them to be the same as the wolves you clear out of your backyard doesn't exist anymore. It's been replaced by this new Horde, which a large portion of the time I don't identify with anymore.

3) TBC Lore was almost entirely wrapped around Blood Elves

Blood Elves were all anyone cared about in the expansion. Help us save this, we need to stop sucking magic out of this, our king is awesome, our king betrayed us, this plate makes me look fat. The expansion should have been as much about Orc as it was about Blood Elves, or moreso, but all Orc Lore stopped in Nagrand. Nothing endgame at all. Trolls got a dingy hellhole outpost in Zangarmarsh, and Tauren and Forsaken weren't even given that.

4) Adding a "civilized" element that already existed in the game

I don't want to have lords. I don't want to have knights. I don't want to have grand magestic cities. If I wanted those, I would have been Human.

[Rand_Shea]

I'm pretty sure my thoughts on Blood Elves is rather well known-- I dispise them, not for the lore but for the fact that they stole all the best rpers I knew and, subsequently, their characters. How many souls were laid low by the invasion of The Prissy? We may never know exact numbers, but for many, the cost was too high.

Now, with Wrath on the horizon and more and more people starting to write up stories for thier DKs, I dread the coming of the next wave of character abandonment. Why must this be? We used to have a server full of colorful, unique characters on both sides of the fence. Then BC hit, and we had a wave of "oooh I'm pretty and arrogant and evil! tee hee!" Now it's gonna be "ooh I'm dark and scary and eeeeevil, tee hee! I mean, muahahaa!"

I weep for the death of countless.

It's assumptions like this that have, honestly, made me really not like horde side RP much anymore. I'll probably dislike it more so come Wrath because I can just see the constant and never-ending wave of complaining about how there are "Too many death knights!" running around.

I suppose I could just ignore threads like these, but it's really difficult to when they're being posted every other week, and the 'elitism' that people seem to think is a good thing, when it's really doing nothing but destroying the RP horde side, and is starting to threaten doing the same to alliance side again as well.

Is it really a new and strange concept to give things a chance, and not making blanket assumptions about people and what they choose to play? Given this thread, I suppose it is.

[Cpike]

If there are too many DKs running around, I'm sure alot of rpers will end up giving their own twist in their DK persona, or go back to their previous class. This isn't the SWG Starsider server, I have hope in people acting different among this place. Even if I'm not playing anymore. ...The game would need a complete "un-biased PVP revamp" (Meaning nomore power trio running majority of it. Equal for all.) for me to go huh wha!?

As for the other thing I seen on this topic..right, druids need pve buffs. At the same time, PVP Resto druids need way more than a fisting and neuter. Perhaps more than any class and spec in the pvp universe.

[Lascivious]

there cant possible be as many DKs as rogues and hunters.

could there?

[Niethan]

The majority of rogues and hunters aren't rpers, I'm sorry to say. And that's who I'm concerned about-- all the rpers and characters that are essentially going byebye by being swept up into the latest trend.

And Rand, I could care less about the actual numbers of DKs running around. What I'm dreading is the sudden seismic shift in rp. Horde rp is interesting because the races are so different and each player took something from that race's culture to present interesting and unique characters. When BC hit, most of those characters vanished under the heels of Silvermoon.

Now I'm worried that come November, half of the characters I know are suddenly going to all turn evil, bloodelf or otherwise. How... quaint.

I can't help but feel like Dks are going to be an amputation.

[Vaande!]

Those wanting ot drop their mains so quickly obviously haven't played too much beta. Xenaken myself, and a fw other members of Underground wnated to jsut for the thought of it being OP, but then.. we played Beta. and we realized that the starting classes are pretty damn good in BC. Hunters & Mages are still powerful, if not a bit better with some of the new tricks (Master's call, anyone?). As well as some of the buffs to other classes. Ele shaman is gonna be a monster.

I give these people only a short time before they go back. Sure, some might stay, but most just go where they think the op is. And beleive it or not, it isn't with the Death Knights.

[Lascivious]

I give these people only a short time before they go back. Sure, some might stay, but most just go where they think the op is. And beleive it or not, it isn't with the Death Knights.

i believe it.

[Keraph]

I can't with all my strength manage to see this as some sort of problem. If people are ditching their original characters for DKs, maybe they're just BORED of their original characters? That does happen after YEARS of playing them. I think that getting angry at people for trying something new, or at Blizzard for GIVING players something new to try, is a very selfish attitude.

So people are gonna try it for a month or so. Many will get bored of it and go back to their original characters. So woo, a few weeks without a certain character in RP, not the biggest loss. And those that stay with DK? If they were any good at RP to begin with, they'll be introducing a new character with a new story to our RP, so either way it's a win win.

People need to stop going crazy over change, and just let things happen as they happen.

[Broxigan]

^ QFT

Just, do what I do. Avoid the generic/clich&#233; characters who is the daughter of Jania and Thrall and go on. If someone ruins it for you...don't RP with them? /ignore them?

I like Xenny, I will play him, probably alot, but I have fun with the RP character he is.

I love Brox. I have alot of plans coming up for him RP wise. Am I going to abandon him for my DK? Nope. Brox is my first love.

People will do what makes them happy. -shrug.-

[Alana]

Brox is my first love too!

/pant

[Broxigan]

Brox is my first love too!

/pant

AS IT SHOULD BE

[Kelven]

I'm going to play a Death Knight alt and enjoy it.

Go ahead. Try and stop me.

[Raziel]

I can't speak for everyone but I can list my reasons why I dislike the addition.

1) The introduction of vanity as an RP niche

Before blood elves joined the Horde, we were all concerned with power, tradition, survival or sucking up to Jaina and Co. (I <3 you Sanctuary!) When people started coming over from Alliance to play Blood Elves, and dropping other characters to become blood elves, these RP strains took a bit of a backseat to society changes, romances and other Blood Elf specific things. As an elderly troll cleric, how do I RP with people who are all concerned about who loves who, who betrayed who, or who insulted what lord? I really don't.

2) The shift in identity for the Horde

In game I see more Blood Elves than any other race. When grouping in instances, 3 out of 5 of the players are generally Blood Elves. The Horde that I joined, one of a tribal people ekking out a place for themselves in a world that considers them to be the same as the wolves you clear out of your backyard doesn't exist anymore. It's been replaced by this new Horde, which a large portion of the time I don't identify with anymore.

3) TBC Lore was almost entirely wrapped around Blood Elves

Blood Elves were all anyone cared about in the expansion. Help us save this, we need to stop sucking magic out of this, our king is awesome, our king betrayed us, this plate makes me look fat. The expansion should have been as much about Orc as it was about Blood Elves, or moreso, but all Orc Lore stopped in Nagrand. Nothing endgame at all. Trolls got a dingy hellhole outpost in Zangarmarsh, and Tauren and Forsaken weren't even given that.

4) Adding a "civilized" element that already existed in the game

I don't want to have lords. I don't want to have knights. I don't want to have grand magestic cities. If I wanted those, I would have been Human.

Perception is reality, for our reality is based on perception.

[Keraph]

I'm going to play a Death Knight alt and enjoy it.

Go ahead. Try and stop me.

STOP RIGHT THERE YOU FIEND! I'LL NOT LET THE DARKNESS CLAIM ANOTHER!

Or maybe I will. Do what you WANT, what you ENJOY. That's the whole point of the game!

[opalexian]

I can't speak for everyone but I can list my reasons why I dislike the addition.

1) The introduction of vanity as an RP niche

Before blood elves joined the Horde, we were all concerned with power, tradition, survival or sucking up to Jaina and Co. (I <3 you Sanctuary!) When people started coming over from Alliance to play Blood Elves, and dropping other characters to become blood elves, these RP strains took a bit of a backseat to society changes, romances and other Blood Elf specific things. As an elderly troll cleric, how do I RP with people who are all concerned about who loves who, who betrayed who, or who insulted what lord? I really don't.

2) The shift in identity for the Horde

In game I see more Blood Elves than any other race. When grouping in instances, 3 out of 5 of the players are generally Blood Elves. The Horde that I joined, one of a tribal people ekking out a place for themselves in a world that considers them to be the same as the wolves you clear out of your backyard doesn't exist anymore. It's been replaced by this new Horde, which a large portion of the time I don't identify with anymore.

3) TBC Lore was almost entirely wrapped around Blood Elves

Blood Elves were all anyone cared about in the expansion. Help us save this, we need to stop sucking magic out of this, our king is awesome, our king betrayed us, this plate makes me look fat. The expansion should have been as much about Orc as it was about Blood Elves, or moreso, but all Orc Lore stopped in Nagrand. Nothing endgame at all. Trolls got a dingy hellhole outpost in Zangarmarsh, and Tauren and Forsaken weren't even given that.

4) Adding a "civilized" element that already existed in the game

I don't want to have lords. I don't want to have knights. I don't want to have grand magestic cities. If I wanted those, I would have been Human.

Taknar, I love you. Please wrap this up with a (shredded, dingy, dusty) bow and send it to Blizz. <3

PS-Imma play a death knight right off the bat. I've been playing since beta, I think I deserve a break (death knights=McDonalds? o_O)

[RavenReverend]

I'm pretty sure my thoughts on Blood Elves is rather well known-- I dispise them, not for the lore but for the fact that they stole all the best rpers I knew and, subsequently, their characters. How many souls were laid low by the invasion of The Prissy? We may never know exact numbers, but for many, the cost was too high.

Now, with Wrath on the horizon and more and more people starting to write up stories for thier DKs, I dread the coming of the next wave of character abandonment. Why must this be? We used to have a server full of colorful, unique characters on both sides of the fence. Then BC hit, and we had a wave of "oooh I'm pretty and arrogant and evil! tee hee!" Now it's gonna be "ooh I'm dark and scary and eeeeevil, tee hee! I mean, muahahaa!"

I weep for the death of countless.


As always Nie I think your post is pretty bang on as far as RPers go. XD They want they new, the dramatic etc and thus they abandon loved characters for the new and ultimately droll. As far as RP elitism? It's not really RP elitism. It's the same thing people encounter when they try to RP with one of my level 20 alts.

There's no real in depth story to them that makes them unique or attractive and chances are about a week later when I'm bored and sick of dying horribly because they're not a Shaman I go back to playing Feralmoon, or lately Twostrike my warrior ; ) (Yes Brox, it was me that unfed your face in Orgrimmar. I am proud of this X3 ).

I will miss alot of the characters that I -know- are going to roll their DKs and not going to play their mains until they have a level 80 DK. Bluh. I am however looking forward to ganking the DKs straight out of the starting zone ^^

This thread doesn't strike me as being angry or anything with Blizzard or others, it just sounds like the beginning of mourning the loss of more RPers to the allure of something darker and sexier than the Horde or the Alliance atm ; ) Say what you will, but I'll probably roll a Deathknight somewhere around the time where we get an announcement for another expansion and everyone's bored with 'em X3 C'est la vie.

[Anthek]

I can guarantee that there won't be quite a discrepancy as there with blood elves compared to the rest of the Horde, simply because it's a class and not a race. 1 vs. 9 rather than 1 vs. 4.

Of course, we're bound to see more high level ones because of how they start off, but it's still not much compared to all the undead rogues and hunters running around. The playstyle will likely put off more players from playing one for too long.

[Taknar]

The playstyle will likely kill off many players from doing much from it.

Death Knights: When Carpal Tunnel becomes a class mechanic ;D

[Anthek]

Death Knights: When Carpal Tunnel becomes a class mechanic ;D

I phrased that really badly...

[Kaliera]

The playstyle will likely put off more players from playing one for too long.


Aye, this. Most of the DPS classes in the game currently can be played to their full potential with like...3-4 buttons, or in the case of hunters, a single macro. Going from that sort of playstyle to juggling rune cooldowns, managing timed cooldowns, and making timely use of Runic Power as well will turn a ton of people away.

Whether it's due to the class being "too hard" (it isn't really hard, persay), too complex (more work for the same reward), or just the thought of trudging through Outland once again to reach new content, many people will shelve their DKs after going through the initial quest chain.

[Taknar]

I phrased that really badly...

I wasn't joking around. Well, not entirely. Did you see the thread someone started about how it hurt them to play the class?

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956647683&postId=99553819651&sid=2000#0

[Swerto]

Outland never really bothered me... I shot from 60-70 really fast once I hit outland (Wouldn't touch it til 60)

I also got to 70 by the time I hit BEM

I'm not going to say I played non stop, because I did take a huge break midway through (at 64 in Terrokar) for 2 months and didn't play much during that time.

I don't mind shooting through outland for a THIRD time.. especially on the DK I always wanted to make even before they announced it (Securo was originally going to be a BE pally who was just rping a DK then they announced it and I was like "FUCK YEAH!")

[Yatokth]

I can't speak for everyone but I can list my reasons why I dislike the addition.

1) The introduction of vanity as an RP niche

Before blood elves joined the Horde, we were all concerned with power, tradition, survival or sucking up to Jaina and Co. (I <3 you Sanctuary!) When people started coming over from Alliance to play Blood Elves, and dropping other characters to become blood elves, these RP strains took a bit of a backseat to society changes, romances and other Blood Elf specific things. As an elderly troll cleric, how do I RP with people who are all concerned about who loves who, who betrayed who, or who insulted what lord? I really don't.

2) The shift in identity for the Horde

In game I see more Blood Elves than any other race. When grouping in instances, 3 out of 5 of the players are generally Blood Elves. The Horde that I joined, one of a tribal people ekking out a place for themselves in a world that considers them to be the same as the wolves you clear out of your backyard doesn't exist anymore. It's been replaced by this new Horde, which a large portion of the time I don't identify with anymore.

3) TBC Lore was almost entirely wrapped around Blood Elves

Blood Elves were all anyone cared about in the expansion. Help us save this, we need to stop sucking magic out of this, our king is awesome, our king betrayed us, this plate makes me look fat. The expansion should have been as much about Orc as it was about Blood Elves, or moreso, but all Orc Lore stopped in Nagrand. Nothing endgame at all. Trolls got a dingy hellhole outpost in Zangarmarsh, and Tauren and Forsaken weren't even given that.

4) Adding a "civilized" element that already existed in the game

I don't want to have lords. I don't want to have knights. I don't want to have grand magestic cities. If I wanted those, I would have been Human.

You are 9001 different kinds of pure win.

[Advurb]

You are 9001 different kinds of pure win.

My scouter has made known to me that the number you have entered is greater than the number commonly referred to as nine thousand.

[Agnarr]

I wasn't joking around. Well, not entirely. Did you see the thread someone started about how it hurt them to play the class?

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956647683&postId=99553819651&sid=2000#0

The only thing I got out of that thread is that as a protection warrior, I should have no problem playing a death knight.

[Pyrisath]

The playstyle will likely put off more players from playing one for too long.


Deathknights are evil. They live by natural selection. People will get bored of their DK's after the initial rush, when they find that their new casting system is teh shit for them.

Sorry, just had to quote. NOW, WE WAIT FOR THE PROPHECY TO BE FULFILLED!111!!!!oneeleventyone!!!311212

I played a DK in beta, and yes, there are many buttons to click. Icy touch Plague strike Icy Touch plague strike blood strike blood strike LOL. Its new, its different. I still haven't tried out one of the rune timer mods, but spell cool downs are generally based off of the next restoring rune, so you can go anywhere from 1-10 secs on a icy touch for cooldown.

[Taknar]

I played a DK in beta, and yes, there are many buttons to click. Icy touch Plague strike Icy Touch plague strike blood strike blood strike LOL. Its new, its different. I still haven't tried out one of the rune timer mods, but spell cool downs are generally based off of the next restoring rune, so you can go anywhere from 1-10 secs on a icy touch for cooldown.

Oh, but that is just the tip of the ice burg. When you get more abilities you have 20 second long chains that you have planned out in your mind. The first cycle to set up diseases and create death runes (As frost it's Icy Touch, Plague Strike, Blood Strike, Blood Strike, Obliterate, Frost Strike). Add to that the need for a) keeping all runes on cooldown as much as possible if you are a tank so that you get your extra 10% parry, b) not wasting Runic Power by making sure that your bar is never full and c) adjusting rotation for things such as misses, immunities, horn of winter falling off, or targets being out of range.

The mind reels. But it's so much fun.

Just to get back on topic: Niethan, I think it's going to be alright.

[Advurb]

I'm going to playing and pvping on a death knight as my main character. Why?

Because the rune system adds a new element to the "global cooldown" melee gameplay, and makes the game more based on skill and less on "I can't spam fast enough"

Also I've always wanted to play a melee class with spells to back him up, but seriously, ret paladins are boring "My main attack is hemo!" "Mine is mortal strike!" "Mine is auto-attack!" WTF?

Also DK voices own. Ever played Starcraft? Basically run any race/gender voice through a dragoon vocoder/filter and you got DKs.