And The Dark Lady has fallen.

[Kyrion]

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[Kyrion]

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[Izrail]

In before "doesn't count unless it's peak time."

Grats. But seriously, did you do this just now?

[Kyrion]

Yeah. We tried doing that the other day....The lag is unbearable to the point of being impossible.

[Bir]

Grats?

...Too bad world leaders don't drop epic loot. It would certainly make things a lot more interesting on every server.

[Skafloc]

Hmm well. Don't we feel foolish for playing WAR Beta last night. :rolleyes:

[Malebrignon]

* insert obligatory "Where's My RP?" post *

Another opportunity wasted. Or have I missed something?

*wanders off to check Nether Legends*

[Vilmah]

I'm sorry, if Illisade did this IC, then he got some 'splanin' ta do.

[Nadea]

Sigh... I didn't even log in yesterday because my head hurt like a bitch..

...guess that'll teach me :(

[Keraph]

....


I'm having trouble with my response....What you did was impressive, even if it was on off hours, just because everyone knows she's not easy. So, grats, I guess.

I feel something though, inside. Emptiness, anger, regret.....is this what failure feels like?

[Yemana]

I'm sorry, if Illisade did this IC, then he got some 'splanin' ta do.

This sentence hurts my soul. Not you, Vilmah, but the fact that - I mean, why wouldn't it have been IC? *RAWR, RP RANT GOES HEEEEEEEERE*

[Vilmah]

I feel something though, inside. Emptiness, anger, regret.....is this what failure feels like?

It should be vaguely reminiscent of that feeling you got the first time we met.

[Yemana]

....

I'm having trouble with my response....What you did was impressive, even if it was on off hours, just because everyone knows she's not easy. So, grats, I guess.

I feel something though, inside. Emptiness, anger, regret.....is this what failure feels like?

I don't know. For me, it's the knowing that there was no way that I could have done anything about this that really gets to me. Not because I don't PvP, and not because I'm not in a guild that wouldn't hesitate to try and repel an attack like this - because I am - but because I WASN'T EVEN AWAKE WHEN IT HAPPENED.

[Vilmah]

I imagine everyones' character is gonna be paranoid of sleeping, now.

"Can't rest.. must fight.. can't rest.. MUST DEFEND.."

[Keraph]

I imagine everyones' character is gonna be paranoid of sleeping, now.

"Can't rest.. must fight.. can't rest.. MUST DEFEND.."

That was supposed to be Infection ANYWAYS >.<

[Vilmah]

Maybe Keraph was too busy having gay sex in Silvermoon.. I smell a PLOT TWIST!!

[Moknim]

Grats guys. Sylvanus/Varimathras isn't really EZ-mode even when defenders don't show.

But is that your clock that says 3:43? I am more impressed that you are awake at 4 am.

[Kyrion]

I'm sorry, if Illisade did this IC, then he got some 'splanin' ta do.

Oh it definitely wasn't IC. Basically I fell asleep then woke up to log back in the game, and within 5 minutes Naam whispers me if I wanted to take down The Dark Lady. I was like hell yeah. They took down every other boss too, I just had to go back to sleep after they killed Cairne >.<.

[Karkarov]

well unfortunately for the mods I feel to repost. Killing a racial when no one is around isnt really a big deal. Grats and all, but sorry I dont consider it a big accomplishment as any decent good group of 70's with good gear can do it if no one of the other faction shows up. However had any real force of horde shown up you admit yourself you would have been killed by them or the lag, so it is as I said before a double edged sword because if the horde had been there your chances would have been nil but with them not there it isnt really a big deal.

[Kelven]

Good job on the PvE part, the Banshee Queen is no slouch.

Although I have to admit, I saw the thread, perked up with a "Oh, really? Finally?", looked at the SS, and saw the clock: 3:43. "Oh, not really."

[Keraph]

Maybe Keraph was too busy having gay sex in Silvermoon.. I smell a PLOT TWIST!!

Or you know, sleeping, cause I work XP

[Tillna]

Well, considering how bad lag can be in UC to just get in there...

And then to actually be qable to heal/tank/DPS her, this seems that it was more a nessecity.

And so far no one seems to be waving it around going "HAW HAW WE IS BETTER"

[Keraph]

I'm just bummed ;o; I'm gonna crawl up in my sock drawer and sleep for days

[Kyrion]

Lets be realistic here. Last time we had a real shot at her during prime time after the hillsbrad war. They knew we were going to head for her so Advurb bottled everyone up in the room and just had everybody spam their most laggy spell to make everything so unbearable to the point of not being able to function.

[Chikt]

Killing a racial when no one is around isnt really a big deal.

Killing her with ANYBODY around is impossible, this really is the only way.

But I agree. It's an achievement, it's a server first, but it's a server first kill at nearly 4AM. We 3 manned the Gnome King at 4AM.


If lag wasn't a factor at that point, our force would have decimated them just like they did at Hillsbrad.

That, I don't agree with. The force we had down in the throne room alone easily matched the force you guys had on the day of that war.

[Keraph]

If lag wasn't a factor at that point, our force would have decimated them just like they did at Hillsbrad.

You forget, most of Infection wasn't AT hillsbrad. One Infection = roughly 3 normal horde, and at least twice that among the alliance X3

Edit: Also, as a warning, since I am a gracious warlord. That first screenshot, with the raid? That's my new hitlist. And don't you worry, I won't miss a single one.

[Kyrion]

Yeah I just looked over some of the SS's and I just realized we didn't have many alive by the time they got there /sigh

[Kyrion]

But you all gotta admit.....She looks a lot more adorable dead, its almost like shes sleeping very very comfortably. ;)

[Keraph]

THE BANSHEE QUEEN OF THE FORSAKEN, THE DARK LADY SYLVANAS, IS NOT ADORABLE >.<

[Agnarr]

She'd give a dog a bone?

[Villayna]

You know, I just don't understand why everyone poo-poo's EVERY SINGLE FRICKING faction leader kill. I hate it. I deleted your post Kark, because if it was "SOOOOO easy..." then it would be happening all the time. But it's not. Probably because people know when they do it, everyone's just gonna do the passive aggressive "soo..I coulda done that if I WANTED to.."

If someone were to come here and post "Kara down go our (little/new) guild!" Most of the people around here would go "hey, grats!" Yes there would still be the spoilsports who'd post "welcome to 2007!" or "I could do Kara naked..lulz" but you know, most people would be cool about it.

What is it about faction leaders that brings out the hate? Is it just because it's considered a "PVP" thing, and everyone turns into mini-Enheilras's when they put their PVP hat on?

Grats to Illisade, and I'm proud of the 2 or 3 of you that didn't dismiss someone else doing something they apparently had fun doing.

Game people. It's just a game.

[Keraph]

Not sure if you deleted any of my posts, but I do want to clarify that I'm very impressed that they did what they did, regardless of time.

Just realize that Infection has always been sort of proud of Sylvanas's untouched nature, so much so that it's a point of pride for us. It's all IC stuff, PvP rivalries, nothing personal of course. What they did was impressive, but they'll certainly pay is all :3

[Moknim]

Yeah I just looked over some of the SS's and I just realized we didn't have many alive by the time they got there /sigh

And there were a lot more Horde - I know our raid wasn't there until you attacked UC.

Man that was awesome...I wish Advurb hadn't tried to lag it out, but doubt the servers would have been able to handle it anyway.

[Yatokth]

HO JAYSUS.

Every faction leader been killed now? I think so.

...too bad you get jack shit for doing it. D:

[Grainia]

Ok, I agree with everything that Keraph said. Damn me for having to sleep! *shakes fist*

I need a mod that will wake me if there is a raid on UC.

[Vilmah]

THE BANSHEE QUEEN OF THE FORSAKEN, THE DARK LADY SYLVANAS, IS NOT ADORABLE >.<

*bounce bounce bounce!*

[Chikt]

HO JAYSUS.

Every faction leader been killed now? I think so.

...too bad you get jack shit for doing it. D:

ACTUALLY.

If you kill world bosses you DO get gold. Or you used to. When Xara, Thor and myself all killed the Gnome King we got something like 25g each for it. It was pretty fantastic.

Or did they remove that?

In any case though, the amount per person in a raid is negligible really.

Killing world bosses is fun. I'd love to see you guys make an attempt near 4AM with less people on any of the Horde bosses, just to see who you can take down with as few people as possible (Obviously our little group to kill the Gnome King was a Hunter, Warrior and Shaman, I'm not sure you could do it any less than that - DPS, tank and healing).

I wonder how small a group you could kill Sylvanas with at 4AM... >_>

/rerollAlliancetofindout

[Roth'rili]

Vilmah wins right there though come next patch the bouncing will be gone and replaced with the sneering over the shoulder look. Grats guys and I'm not sure if it be for nothing. You never know what might be tracked there are achievements for killing faction leaders and all, maybe that will cross over or maybe you will all have to do it again =/

[Kelven]

You know, I just don't understand why everyone poo-poo's EVERY SINGLE FRICKING faction leader kill. ...

What is it about faction leaders that brings out the hate? Is it just because it's considered a "PVP" thing, and everyone turns into mini-Enheilras's when they put their PVP hat on?

Possibly for the same reason people will boo a foul or a dirty play at a sports event. It's poor sportsmanship. I'll give people credit for triumphing over a difficult PvE encounter, but as for the PvP aspect - come on, 4am attacks are not sporting and we all know it.

Of course, deliberately lagging out your competition is probably also not good manners.

[Vilmah]

I'd prolly whine more if it were Thrall.. XD Well, prolly not.

[Chikt]

Possibly for the same reason people will boo a foul or a dirty play at a sports event. It's poor sportsmanship. I'll give people credit for triumphing over a difficult PvE encounter, but as for the PvP aspect - come on, 4am attacks are not sporting and we all know it.

Of course, deliberately lagging out your competition is probably also not good manners.

I think we'd all have been lagged out, no matter WHAT happened. Particularly when the Alliance forces made it down to the actual throne room. My god, I'd hate to imagine. It was bad enough with them just inside the city.

[Acherontia]

You know, I just don't understand why everyone poo-poo's EVERY SINGLE FRICKING faction leader kill. I hate it. I deleted your post Kark, because if it was "SOOOOO easy..." then it would be happening all the time. But it's not. Probably because people know when they do it, everyone's just gonna do the passive aggressive "soo..I coulda done that if I WANTED to.."

If someone were to come here and post "Kara down go our (little/new) guild!" Most of the people around here would go "hey, grats!" Yes there would still be the spoilsports who'd post "welcome to 2007!" or "I could do Kara naked..lulz" but you know, most people would be cool about it.

What is it about faction leaders that brings out the hate? Is it just because it's considered a "PVP" thing, and everyone turns into mini-Enheilras's when they put their PVP hat on?

Grats to Illisade, and I'm proud of the 2 or 3 of you that didn't dismiss someone else doing something they apparently had fun doing.

Game people. It's just a game.

I think it's because of the nature of the server. We're an RP server, so killing a faction leader isn't just a PvE kind of thing. A lot of our characters are personally invested in our leaders - Infection, for example, and their reverence for the Dark Lady. We're also a PvP server - you can't hide from the war (unless you unflag yourself in your home areas). We picked this server because we want to LIVE these particular facets of the game when we log in, not just mash buttons and look at the pretty cartoons. Personally, I'm all about boss kills - murdering a faction leader is good for RP, and attacking them is a good way to stir up some trouble and get some PvP going.

However.

The manner in which this kill (and the first Bolvar one, IIRC) was done feels, to me, like "cheating" given the nature of this type of server. It was done in the middle of the night when most of us weren't even on to get involved and defend, and it was done just for the heck of it, with no RP or IC motivation (as has been admitted by Illisade). On a normal, PvE server, yes, this would be something like any other PvE encounter, with tactics and PvE elements handled effectively. We aren't a normal server, though - we're RP-PvP, and this kill was executed without RP motiviation and in a manner that intentionally tried to avoid as much PvP as possible. That's why they're getting pooh-poohed. They took the easy way out, and it feels like cheating. It's great that they had fun with it, and I believe that it's a challenging encounter and they deserve congratulations for navigating those waters successfully. But because we're a server that is supposed to embody all facets of game play, and that there are many, many people here who enjoy and revel in them all, it gets more complicated than just "killing a faction boss".

EDIT: Or what Kelven said.

[Raziel]

What is it about faction leaders that brings out the hate? Is it just because it's considered a "PVP" thing, and everyone turns into mini-Enheilras's when they put their PVP hat on?

...wha...?

..Hey!!

I always have my PvP Hat on, because it's a cool-ass hat. But I've never taken WoW Boss Kills seriously, because it's a silly thing. It doesn't really accomplish anything. it doesn't give you honor points. it doesn't affect the game in any way, shape, or form. Hell, split 40-ways it's not even worth the money. It's one thing I've never twisted panties about because the first boss kills have always been when no one else was around. Every time. And we go through the exact same spiel from the exact same personalities. Every time. It's a circus, so dance clowns dance!!

but seriously, look how cool my hat is.

[Kaldore]

Grats to everyone that killed Sylvanas!

She was the only Faction Leader I never was able to see go down, and if I'm not mistaken, You accomplished what an A-Team raid of First Legion failed to do. So big grats!

As for everyone talking shit about the time of day, the weak defense, that you "cheated?" Ignore it. You earned a server first and that's awesome, don't pay attention to the bitching and complaining.

When First Legion finally killed C'thun in pre-bc we celebrated by taking down Thrall and the Troll leader. Naturally we heard the exact same excuses and criticism, even some contradictory bullshit where people made the accusation that our 10pm kill was either "No fair, you killed him in the middle of the night" or "No fair, you killed him while everyone was raiding!"

So the next week we posted "WE WILL BE KILLING YOUR FACTION LEADERS DURING PRIMETIME ALL WEEK." The only one we failed to get was Sylvanas, but naturally we were told by dozens and dozens of people that we were terrible scrubs, we sucked at everything, we lived chaste existences in our mothers basements.

The moral of the story is this: No matter what you manage to do in WoW, someone is always going to whine and bitch. Fuck them, keep up the good work!

[Karkarov]

Like i said in my post when no one is there to stop you it takes away a big part of the challenge. People are SUPPOSED to show up when you attack a faction leader. Thats the whole point.

However you know I didnt say anything about how I could do it if I cared to. fact is I dont care to these days. I am not in a guild anymore and I am certainly not going to attempt to pug a bolvar (or any other racial leader) attempt at 3am. So all things said I can safely say I am not very capable of doing this type of thing.

[Kethryvaris]

What?

5AM my time?

Yeah ok; I like this game; but I am so not logging on for defending UC at 5AM.

I'd say grats; but; uh...You didn't do anything; really. Non-peak hours. Totally. Try it at 10ish server when most of the Grim is still around; then see what happens.

That I might congratulate you for.

[Nadea]

What?

5AM my time?

Yeah ok; I like this game; but I am so not logging on for defending UC at 5AM.




See...if I had KNOWN, I would have logged in to defend. Yep, woken up, and parked my cute little butt in the Throne Room.

While I say grats for you guys accomplishing a rough PvE encounter (I'm a raider, I understand!), the fact that it was a 5am kill sort of takes away the excitment.

I'm dissapointed. Not neccesarily in the people on the Alliance who went out and killed her when nobody was around to defend. It just really bums me out, because Infection prides ourselves on defending our leader, and the fact that she had been the only leader left standing was a big deal for us.

Im also conflicted. You folks did it at 5am, and it wasn't an IC thing. So technically, Infection could just ignore this and we can go on our merry way-- but then again, we can't say that she's the only one never to have been taken down any longer. And it was under the circumstance that most of our guild has a job in the morning to head to OOCly. Just sort of sucks.

[Villayna]

Possibly for the same reason people will boo a foul or a dirty play at a sports event. It's poor sportsmanship. I'll give people credit for triumphing over a difficult PvE encounter, but as for the PvP aspect - come on, 4am attacks are not sporting and we all know it.

If it weren't for the lag factor I'd agree. But with the lag factor? I don't really consider it a PVP thing. When Blizzard figures out a way to let several hundred PVPers exist in the same enclosed area without it being a complete lagfest, then I'll be right there with you poo-poo-ing 4am faction leader kills. Until then, kudos where deserved.

[Grainia]

I'd say grats; but; uh...You didn't do anything; really. Non-peak hours. Totally. Try it at 10ish server when most of Infection is still around; then see what happens.


fixed

[Villayna]

...wha...?

..Hey!!

I always have my PvP Hat on, because it's a cool-ass hat. But I've never taken WoW Boss Kills seriously, because it's a silly thing. It doesn't really accomplish anything. it doesn't give you honor points. it doesn't affect the game in any way, shape, or form. Hell, split 40-ways it's not even worth the money. It's one thing I've never twisted panties about because the first boss kills have always been when no one else was around. Every time. And we go through the exact same spiel from the exact same personalities. Every time. It's a circus, so dance clowns dance!!

but seriously, look how cool my hat is.

Thank you for showing a prime example of what I mean by making an Enheilras post.

"I am god. Not only that, I'm a sexy god. I can kill anyone with my left pinky. Why I don't bother killing faction leaders? Because it's lame. LAME LAME LAME. Why would I even WANT to kill one? pffft. And obviously since I think it's lame, then anyone who actually DOES that is LAME. It's EnheilRas logic. Which is sexy."

[Evanthe]

"I am god. Not only that, I'm a sexy god. I can kill anyone with my left pinky. Why I don't bother killing faction leaders? Because it's lame. LAME LAME LAME. Why would I even WANT to kill one? pffft. And obviously since I think it's lame, then anyone who actually DOES that is LAME. It's EnheilRas logic. Which is sexy."

This nearly made me spit water over my keyboard.

Congo-rats on the kill, guys. Wish I could have been there to stop it. ;)

[Keraph]

I'd say grats; but; uh...You didn't do anything; really. Non-peak hours. Totally. Try it at 10ish server when most of Infection is still around; then see what happens.

fixed

Quoted for true facts >:3

[Lisbet]

MEH I SAY. POO ON ALL OF YOU. You can not be all "grats for killing Bolvar " durring alliance's lull hours in one thread, and then WHINE when alliance kills sylvannas at 4am. Just like our thrall kill "Oh everyone was raiding". So what? Its either "Everyone was sleeping" or "no one plays at 1pm in the afternoon on a wednesday" or "its raid time". FEH I SAY, FEH ON YOU ALL.

SURE, it was 4am, but come on did you ever try to kill the Dwarf king pre-ah move? Yanno, when alliance actually HUNG OUT in Ironforge all the time? Yea. You couldn't even go in there as an alliance, let alone as horde trying to kill a faction leader. Flashforward two years, and people on hordeside actually HANG OUT in undercity quite often still. UC has a sucky layout and if you put 20 or more of the opposite faction in there, its outright game breaking during peak hours.


Not to mention that there are TWO bosses and SEVERAL battlemasters hanging out in there.


Its been attempted at all hours of the day before, and if they managed to do it at all, I'm impressed.. and slightly pissed they didn't wake me up to come play ;p

[Lythas]

MEH I SAY. POO ON ALL OF YOU. You can not be all "grats for killing Bolvar " durring alliance's lull hours in one thread, and then WHINE when alliance kills sylvannas at 4am. Just like our thrall kill "Oh everyone was raiding". So what? Its either "Everyone was sleeping" or "no one plays at 1pm in the afternoon on a wednesday" or "its raid time". FEH I SAY, FEH ON YOU ALL.

SURE, it was 4am, but come on did you ever try to kill the Dwarf king pre-ah move? Yanno, when alliance actually HUNG OUT in Ironforge all the time? Yea. You couldn't even go in there as an alliance, let alone as horde trying to kill a faction leader. Flashforward two years, and people on hordeside actually HANG OUT in undercity quite often still. UC has a sucky layout and if you put 20 or more of the opposite faction in there, its outright game breaking during peak hours.


Not to mention that there are TWO bosses and SEVERAL battlemasters hanging out in there.


Its been attempted at all hours of the day before, and if they managed to do it at all, I'm impressed.. and slightly pissed they didn't wake me up to come play ;p

...b-but I could have SWORN there was some wank over Bolvar cause that One Guy Who Must Not Be Named was the ringleader of -that- circus and nobody likes him. Ever.

[Yatokth]

Thank you for showing a prime example of what I mean by making an Enheilras post.

"I am god. Not only that, I'm a sexy god. I can kill anyone with my left pinky. Why I don't bother killing faction leaders? Because it's lame. LAME LAME LAME. Why would I even WANT to kill one? pffft. And obviously since I think it's lame, then anyone who actually DOES that is LAME. It's EnheilRas logic. Which is sexy."

His logic is undeniable.

[Lisbet]

It was >.> but its not the point! *finger of doom!*

[opalexian]

You have aggro'd Kaldore! GG! >_>

Grats on the kill-she's the only faction leader I've seen fight and woo boy is she interesting O_O

[Broxigan]

Thank you for showing a prime example of what I mean by making an Enheilras post.

"I am god. Not only that, I'm a sexy god. I can kill anyone with my left pinky. Why I don't bother killing faction leaders? Because it's lame. LAME LAME LAME. Why would I even WANT to kill one? pffft. And obviously since I think it's lame, then anyone who actually DOES that is LAME. It's EnheilRas logic. Which is sexy."

DAMNYOU!

Rockstar Energy Drink + nose = PAIN! XD

...Siggied for future laughter.

[Visant]

*wipes juice off of keyboard*

Congratulations! I never really got to see her being attacked directly, just corpses galore. Wish I could have been there to throw my scrawny man elf body at you just to see it.

[Tillna]

Out of all of the bosses...shje was supposed to be the toughest.

And I can see why you are all "DUN COUNTS!"

Kind of like in tag when you count to ten in 3seconds and just beatthe crap outta thefirst guy. HE's still it, was cheap...

The kill is impressive. And With horde there to fight back..Well, lets see..."Okay guys, mages, spam Arcane,lets kill these hordies!"

*Mages have alllagged out*

Yeah...cause Blizz so made it so that Sylvanus has vanish back stab aimed shots AND AOE lag field

[Naam]

Naam, I knew we wouldn't be able to stop you guys from killing her normally. We weren't trying to kill your raid, we were trying to lag you out. I told everyone to spam whatever laggy spells they had like MD, blizzard, etc.

The Alliance completely rickrolllol'd the Horde in TN War 4 in Hillsbrad and we went to Undercity. We had two full raid groups and a third partially full raid totaling over 100 Alliance. We were lagging so much that I had crippling poison on me with 0 seconds left forever and I walked out of the Undercity through the sewers and couldn't do anything for another two minutes outside!

Anyways, we killed Sylvanas at around 4am server time then decided to kill every other Horde leader. You guys saying that there was noone around to defend? Nah, because they launched a 40 Horde raid on Stormwind just as we finished the Blood Elf faction leader. We only had 25 the majority of the time. We saved Bolvar at 41&#37;.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r117/naam1/WoWScrnShot_091108_025806.jpg

:D

[Raziel]

Thank you for showing a prime example of what I mean by making an Enheilras post.

"I am god. Not only that, I'm a sexy god. I can kill anyone with my left pinky. Why I don't bother killing faction leaders? Because it's lame. LAME LAME LAME. Why would I even WANT to kill one? pffft. And obviously since I think it's lame, then anyone who actually DOES that is LAME. It's EnheilRas logic. Which is sexy."

Holy shit..

I just got trolled by the Admin.
Bwuahahahahahaha!!

Made my day.

[Gorvena]

The moral of the story is this: No matter what you manage to do in WoW, someone is always going to whine and bitch. Fuck them, keep up the good work!
This.

Someone actually asked me why a T5 tank was doing Kara...I said that it was mostly for the badges but also for the people in the raid who were not even T4 yet.

Omigawd! I just agreed with Kaldore again... *scrubs hands until bloody*

[Gorvena]

"I am god. Not only that, I'm a sexy god. I can kill anyone with my left pinky. Why I don't bother killing faction leaders? Because it's lame. LAME LAME LAME. Why would I even WANT to kill one? pffft. And obviously since I think it's lame, then anyone who actually DOES that is LAME. It's EnheilRas logic. Which is sexy."
You forgot the part about the fish. And the bicycle...

[Malebrignon]

Still no RP and now one of TN's oldest griefers....

*sigh*

Couldn't you guys, y'know, at least try.... three sentences maybe?

WTF is "rickrolllol'd" anyways?

edit: See? I do this to everyone equally. If you want to brag on TNG, do it with RP's dammit!

[Riffs]

Possibly for the same reason people will boo a foul or a dirty play at a sports event. It's poor sportsmanship. I'll give people credit for triumphing over a difficult PvE encounter, but as for the PvP aspect - come on, 4am attacks are not sporting and we all know it.


From the RP aspect, 4AM makes perfect sense. Would a band of assassins strike in the middle of the day or at night?

[Vilmah]

From the RP aspect, 4AM makes perfect sense. Would a band of assassins strike in the middle of the day or at night?

That is exactly what I was going to bring up!

[Malebrignon]

From the RP aspect, 4AM makes perfect sense. Would a band of assassins strike in the middle of the day or at night?

Makes perfect sense to me, but I still see no arpees to support it.

Feed me RP cookies, dammit!

*grins wickedly*

Here, I'll give an example. Preface this with:

"We were told it couldn't be done. For years my people have tried to strike unsuccessfully at the heart of the Undercity. Now, under the unlikely leadership of an insane dwarf, the Alliance have finally succeeded in penetrating the ruins and laying low the traitor, Sylvanas. Maybe now the Horde will realize they are not winning their war against us. Let them be the ones hiding within their cities for a change."

Or something like that. Five sentences can turn "ZOMG LAWLZ We killz da Queen!" into something much more ominous and epic-feeling. A modicum of effort is all I ask, truly. As I said the last time I had to do a "Where's my RP?", I will continue to ask the question until I see some kind of supporting RP with these. I did go check Nether Legends as soon as I said it and continue to do so. It makes me sad to see so many good opportunities wasted.

And because I haven't added it yet, kudos to you guys for making this happen. This is no easy feat no matter the hour you pull it off, whether Kark agrees or not.

[Amoola]

*applauds Brig*

Seriously I can see what the various sides are saying..... but, I have to agree is it really so hard to add a little RP spice to it? I mean come on, I made a slip up not too long ago and once all the sides come together and I finish getting some feedback there *will* be and RP story out of it.

RP doesn't have to be complex. It just gives a nice flavor.

*slips back into the shadows of the thread*

[Kyrion]

Still no RP and now one of TN's oldest griefers....

*sigh*

Couldn't you guys, y'know, at least try.... three sentences maybe?

WTF is "rickrolllol'd" anyways?

edit: See? I do this to everyone equally. If you want to brag on TNG, do it with RP's dammit!

RP would have been a nice aspect. But honestly.....I don't think servants of the dark lady actually sleep "IC". So what kind of explanation could we have given for that?

[Malebrignon]

I'd swear I read there was an attack on Stormwind shortly after. Your spies noticed the hole in her defenses and you sprang into motion to exploit that weakness. Anything can be RP'd, it really can. Even if nobody in that raid was in-character, you can put some RP spin on it after the fact. It's not like any Horde understood what you were saying.

Tell ya what, next time I see one of these, I'll write something for it and PM it to the OP, just to satisfy my RP sensibilities. It might be easier than trying to argue my point.

I do apologize for any perceived derailing. This is something I feel very strongly about, if y'all haven't noticed.

[Rand_Shea]

The downing of Sylvanas was inevitable after the cheap "crash the server" tactics that were used during the TN War... I'm sorry, but again, if that's the only way horde could keep her alive, then both RP and non-RP wise, we deserved her getting killed. In a real war, you could blow all your strongest weapons trying to "lag out" the enemy.

But... if killing Bolvar at 2AM when no Alliance were in Stormwind to defend was cheating, why is killing her at 4AM any different?

Think about what you all say prior to these threads where you post in spur of the moment... some of us might notice a dash of irony here and there.

I heard about this happening as I was leveling my Alliance toon, but I had to go to bed soon afterwards. I figured there might have been a couple of Horde on to be a pain in the ass, though. ;P

By the way, Naam...

*SPIES ON YOU*

[Lailinarel]

So from what I've seen, downing bosses on peak hours might be doable if you could ram 200 people into one room and have the server not die on you, however as it stands, grats.

It may be just another pve encounter at 4am, which is of course shruggable, but at the same time, it's about time someone was able to do it.

Grats to the horde for keeping it undone for so long, grats to the people who finally did it, and boo for Haldren not being there for it.

But then, it was more fun holing up in the courtyard with a raid of about 30, while about 80 horde tried to get in to kill us than it was trying to fight Sylvanas anyway.

[Tirralys]

You know, with all the engineers that popped up, especially after the introduction of the flying machines, why isn't the path to the faction leaders laden with IFF (identify Friend/Foe) Mines? I mean, seriously, gnomeregan has been swarming in the damn things, wouldn't you think someone would pick up on it and say ' you know what, I think all these guards should start planting mines if they know enemies are inbound'.

Just my two cents. If I were a faction leader..hell yes, I'd have barbed wire and mines all around...maybe a bear trap or two....mortars are fun as well. If you get through my hall of fun, then sir, I would simply whack the two of you that survived and laugh.

[Heidenreich]

Look at it like this. Heidenreich got to retire his mace in honor to the Horde Faction leaders. After the other night of using his Torch of the Damned to lay the Warchief Thrall, the Shadowhunter Vol'jin, the High Chieftain Cairne Bloodhoof, the Banshee Queen Sylvanas Windrunner, Sylvanas's majordomo Varimathras, and Lor'themar Theron, Regent Lord of Quel'Thalas to rest. Heid placed his mace on the wall and replaced it with a shiny new Shivering Felspine. ;)

[Vilmah]

I don't understand the logic behind people's motives (IC) to kill Thrall, of all people. It's common knowledge that he doesn't want to go to war the the Alliance, suffered tremendously at the hands of humans, and yet isn't bitter. Therefore I percieve all Alliance who willingly go to kill him to be assholes, IC.

OOC, yay for faction leader kills!

IC, wtf dude. What did he ever do to you besides say that you should live?

[Cpike]

I don't understand the logic behind people's motives (IC) to kill Thrall, of all people. It's common knowledge that he doesn't want to go to war the the Alliance, suffered tremendously at the hands of humans, and yet isn't bitter. Therefore I percieve all Alliance who willingly go to kill him to be assholes, IC.

OOC, yay for faction leader kills!

IC, wtf dude. What did he ever do to you besides say that you should live?

Lol, I always thought the same. Taking out Thrall or Jaina is a sure way to give you some major heel/villain points if IC. No and if buts.

[Nadea]

RP would have been a nice aspect. But honestly.....I don't think servants of the dark lady actually sleep "IC". So what kind of explanation could we have given for that?

This.

ICly, Nadea would be in the Throne room faster than a blink of an eye at any time of day. But because of OOC boundaries, the player of Nadea could not be. As well as the rest of my guild. Infection has absolutley no IC reason to NOT be there. Only thing limiting us is OOC reasons. Thus, I cannot count this an an RP attempt of any kind >.>

[Kaldore]

Thus, I cannot count this an an RP attempt of any kind >.>

That's right. Killing Sylvanas didn't count because Infection was asleep.

Seriously, get over yourselves.

[Advurb]

I dunno, I just find it strange that Heid was furious about the Bolvar kill telling people it wasn't legit because it was at 3AM, and now he's supporting a 5AM kill?

Regardless, I should remind you guys that although this was a server first and that's cool:

FACTION LEADERS DO NOT TAKE SKILL OR ORGANIZATION TO BRING DOWN

It's not hard. Don't brag about it!

[Keraph]

That's right. Killing Sylvanas didn't count because Infection was asleep.

Seriously, get over yourselves.

I'm not gonna get any action for months by siding against my girlfriend, but this. I don't agree with Nadea's sentiments on the matter, even though it IS true that the Forsaken don't need sleep, and assumably Infection would, IC, have been there to defend her.

It's a pain in the ass RP vs RL, but you can't just shrug off the attack because of it.

[Lisbet]

1. It wasn't at 3am. It was at 1 pm. On a weekday ;p


If you go back a page and read what I wrote, I said that its just as shitty we were pissy about a middle of the afternoon on a weekday kill of our "unkillable" faction leader as people here are for a 4am kill of Sylvannas. Everyone needs to stfu and get overthemselves.



And then Lythas pointed out that the REAL reason we were all mad, was cause Dahilda used two accounts to plan the raid around alliance lul hours.


and I said that it was true, but not the point ;p



2. They aren't bragging, they're saying "hey isn't the cool? Kinda a spur of the moment thing, but it was fun!"

3. What Mortica said ;p

[Heidenreich]

I dunno, I just find it strange that Heid was furious about the Bolvar kill telling people it wasn't legit because it was at 3AM, and now he's supporting a 5AM kill?


Eye for an Eye my friend (not meant to be a Paladin pun)! If you can't beat them join them, but do it better then them! and my personal favorite, I always like to one up the enemy.

Do I have pride in glory in it? Meh not really. I had a blast and it was def a ton of fun, but come on look at my guild tag. We tell Horde we are coming for your faction leaders, when we are going to do it, and we will flatten you if you try to stop us. OH! and we always hold true to our word ;)

[Heidenreich]

FACTION LEADERS DO NOT TAKE SKILL OR ORGANIZATION TO BRING DOWN


Neither do killing Horde! Especially when I am the front man leading the charge into the Throne Room and all Horde healers got assist trained down!

[Advurb]

I'm just tired of people yelling about faction leader kills as if it's difficult to pull off.

[Kyrion]

I really didn't intend for this thread to be a pissing contest, it was meant to be a "Wow we finally did it" kind of thing.

Its

A


VIDEO


GAME

[Advurb]

I really didn't intend for this thread to be a pissing contest, it was meant to be a "Wow we finally did it" kind of thing.

Its

A


VIDEO


GAME

NO

WOW IS SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS

YOU SHUT YOUR DIRTY MOUTH

[Kyrion]

/sigh


*locks thread*

[Advurb]

But seriously, I wasn't referring to this thread. I was referring to all of the people who post SUCK IT HORDE/ALLIANCE I KILLED A BOSS THAT'S ABOUT ON LEVEL IN DIFFICULTY WITH ARUGAL!

And then they act like they're pvp gods or something when what they do isn't even pvp.

Eh, it's just one of those things that makes me mad.

[Tillna]

PRETENDY FUN TIME GAMES!

[Yatokth]

But seriously, I wasn't referring to this thread. I was referring to all of the people who post SUCK IT HORDE/ALLIANCE I KILLED A BOSS THAT'S ABOUT ON LEVEL IN DIFFICULTY WITH ARUGAL!

And then they act like they're pvp gods or something when what they do isn't even pvp.

Eh, it's just one of those things that makes me mad.

Cause pvp is serious business.

amirite?

[Vilmah]

I really didn't intend for this thread to be a pissing contest, it was meant to be a "Wow we finally did it" kind of thing.

Its

A


VIDEO


GAME

Thank you, I think this is a good reminder.

[Heidenreich]

NO

WOW IS SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS


I'm gonna have to side with Advurb here!

[Keraph]

It's not so much about PvP at this point, Ad. This thread in particular I support because regardless of the level of skill it takes to down a faction boss, Sylvanas has gone three years without being killed. A first time kill after three years of failures is a big deal. The people that dropped her deserve some props, because they did something that a lot of people were'nt able to do. Allow them that.

[Heidenreich]

FYI she's a pain in the ass to target between 50897585082 guards and the fact the bitch kept blinking or sumthing!

[Raziel]

Eye for an Eye my friend (not meant to be a Paladin pun)! If you can't beat them join them, but do it better then them! and my personal favorite, I always like to one up the enemy.

How exactly are you "One-ing Up" the enemy when all of your faction bosses have been killed and been killed repeatedly by Horde for almost a year?

All you guys did was catch up?

[Villayna]

That's right. Killing Sylvanas didn't count because Infection was asleep.

Seriously, get over yourselves.

woah woah woah!

You have my permission to pick on anyone here, Kaldore. Except Nadea. :)

[Villayna]

I think this thread has run it's course.


Locking.