How much bloody damage can mages do?!

[Gloomberry]

It's outrageous, it is!

I've never fought a mage before (actually, never done much pvp before either). Lvl 8 rogue vs lvl 8 mage. I stealth, but bang, get sheeped and then two fireballs ... and I'm dead! All in a few seconds. So I try again, this time I don't stealth and throw knives straight away whilst getting in close to stab the little bitch. Sheep, two fireballs, dead.

It's outrageous, it is!

<.<

>.>

*leaves and rerolls a mage*

[Miserae]

Stunlock is your friend. The best thing about mages is they're like glass cannons...or at least most of them are. Occasionally you'll come across some nasty bugger that just will...not...die. But if you can get a couple hits on one, stun them a bit... just rip 'em up.

You have to be fast, though...mages are sneaksy bastiges.

[Gavril]

I don't think stunlock's possible at level 8. XD

But then again, you can't exactly accurately assess a class' usefulness at level 8

[Fenyremir]

I am Mage because of this reason

[Abric]

Never stunlock a mage - they can blink out of it.

Damage, damage, damage. Hit them hard, hit them fast, and work up your bow/gun/crossbow.

Unless the mage is especially good, they will always do the following.

- Frost Nova
- Blink
- Sheep/Instant Spells
- Bolt of Choice/AE
- Instant Spells

What you got to do, is ambush them - then when they frost nova and Blink... either blind them and/or start ranged attacking them; it'll do some damage and slow their spells down. You *will* get hit, so the best thing to do is when that frost nova breaks... go at them, but move at an angle - don't go straight out... you'll get a cone of cold.

From there.. it's all about who can kill who next. You got about 5-8 seconds to kill a mage before they annihilate you. They use magic... so armor and dodge doesn't do jack crap. It's all about getting the drop on them.

...

And what really freaks them out, is vanishing out of the frost nova. Heh, especially if they are stupid and charge up a pyroblast instead of sheeping you first.

[Aquizit]

I personally love when rogues blow a vanish when I have them marked.


Idiots.. nice waste of a 5min cooldown.

[Abric]

Gets rid of wing clip and concussion shot. *shrug* I do it to sprint out myself - either at the hunter or away.

[Fhenrir]

Because duels at level 8 are a great way to judge a class.

XD

[Gloomberry]

Because duels at level 8 are a great way to judge a class.

XD

It's more a case of embarrassment at being beaten by a pink-haired gnome named Piggytails. Oh the humility ... *hangs head in shame*

[Mynikens]

:P Don't take it so hard Gloom, many people have died from pink haired gnomes. My personal favorate is

Sheep <45 Sec Duration>
Combust (Instant)
Pyroblast (6 sec to cast, but your sheeped)
Fire Blast (Instant)
Frost Nova (instant)
Blast Wave (Instant)
Then if they are still standing Fire Blast, Arcane Explosion and Cone of Cold. (All instant)

8)

[Mel]

Again...lvl 8 is NOT a good point to judge a class, but Rogues have some nice abilities against Mages in later levels. I always have my IOTH ready in PVP, so most mages pee themselves when they sheep me and start charging up their Pyroblast, only to have me in their face with a kick that stops them casting spells of a certain college for 6 seconds.

Then a nice Hemo, SS, Gouge, Vanish, Ambush, Cold Blood, Evis will finish off most.

And as a Rogue never underestimate Poisons! If you have time to prepare for the fight Mind-Numbing is a beautiful thing againt Mages, as is Crippling Poison.

[Laron]

Yes Poison is a wonderfull thing. Makes Casters armor worth nothing. I cut through them like butter. Now Hunters, I don't know why they give me so much trouble.

[Phia]

Is mind-numbing poison really worthwhile? I've never played a caster, so I have a hard time gauging its value. I haven't bothered with wound poison for the same reason. The only time I felt they could have been useful was during a game of Warsong Gulch in which the opposing team was made up of paladins.

[Vilmah]

Don't worry about it.

At least you don't have to wear a dress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqO7zEWu0W0&mode=related&search=world%20of%20warcraft%20coke

[Mel]

Is mind-numbing poison really worthwhile? I've never played a caster, so I have a hard time gauging its value. I haven't bothered with wound poison for the same reason. The only time I felt they could have been useful was during a game of Warsong Gulch in which the opposing team was made up of paladins.

I have read guides and forums for rogues that swear both mind-numbing and wound, and deadly, poisons are a waste of time...that instant and crippling are the only way to go. But I swear by Mind-Numbing.

With Crippling on the on-hand blade they are not going anywhere fast, and with Mind-Numbing it takes them seconds more than usual to cast (not sure how it impacts instants). In PVP you get used to spamming certain things in certain orders, and when it takes you longer to do something than you are used to, it throws off your game. In addition, those valuable seconds give you time to hit them more, and spam kick more.

My warlock buddy I duel regularly swears it kills him too...

[Huffy]

<grumbles> stupid mages,

AV Warrior #12 “Hey, look at all them sheep around the SH GY.”
AV Pally #6 “Horde mages on the…<poof> baaah…baaaa.”

[Gannarak]

Turtle and pig now too :)

J-

[Lumle]

yes mages can be very fiesty, especially for us melee guys, it can get difficult if you dont get first hit, and if you do and you dont do anything but hit them, sheep,blink, etc.

[Sinthe]

Mages > all.

When I crit you for almost 1800 then you'll agree.

[Laron]

Where do you get the turtle and pig spell? Starting a mage and was corious.

[Fhenrir]

Mages > all.

When I crit you for almost 1800 then you'll agree.

I crit a rogue for 1724 with Mortal Strike a few weeks back. Although I was berserked.

My highest non-berserk crit I believe was 1400-something on a priest. We should duel sometime, squishy! :twisted:

[Tarkor]

Mages > all.

When I crit you for almost 1800 then you'll agree.

I have a feeling you'll think otherwise when Execute crits you for over 2000...

(Highest Crit: ~2240 Highest Non-Ability Crit: ~400)

And that's with a 14% chance to crit, with 3% more on the way (once I get the talents....)

[Fhenrir]

Execute crits are mostly overkill in PvP.

Usually any numbers above the 1000 mark is overkill on an execute. Usually.

[Tarkor]

It's still nice to see damage as a four-digit number, lol.

[ChronalisMage]

Never stunlock a mage - they can blink out of it.

Damage, damage, damage. Hit them hard, hit them fast, and work up your bow/gun/crossbow.

Unless the mage is especially good, they will always do the following.

- Frost Nova
- Blink
- Sheep/Instant Spells
- Bolt of Choice/AE
- Instant Spells

What you got to do, is ambush them - then when they frost nova and Blink... either blind them and/or start ranged attacking them; it'll do some damage and slow their spells down. You *will* get hit, so the best thing to do is when that frost nova breaks... go at them, but move at an angle - don't go straight out... you'll get a cone of cold.

From there.. it's all about who can kill who next. You got about 5-8 seconds to kill a mage before they annihilate you. They use magic... so armor and dodge doesn't do jack crap. It's all about getting the drop on them.

...

And what really freaks them out, is vanishing out of the frost nova. Heh, especially if they are stupid and charge up a pyroblast instead of sheeping you first.



I'm a little different. I have a wierd spec. I have next to no burst damage but I can drag a fight out pally style and cast for about a year without running outta mana. 60 mages should always have a level 1 AE on their actionbar for rogue fighting. Just spam it, it takes next to no mana and they can't get the drop on you. PoM sheep is also amusing. I'm always up for a duel if anyone wants to learn to kill mages. Catch ya in Azeroth.


edit: 28 arcane, 23 frost is the best spec I've found yet. For raiding AND PvP. I was pretty shocked but it actually works.

[Shadowspeak]

Mages > all.

When I crit you for almost 1800 then you'll agree.

priests > mages.

My shield can abosorb over 1k dammage

The only mages to even hurt me to some extent that the fight was close was the arcane/fire mages who blow arcane power, presence of mind and throw a pyroblast at me, then some fireballs and a fireblast, but it's still never enough.

[Teelia]

My level 60 paladin, with over 7,000 armor and a gaggle of hit points, got one shotted by a mage from Echelon a few weeks ago.

Yeah, mages hurt. hehe.

[Shadowspeak]

Well it's not like the 7k armor mattrs exactly since you know... spells go THROUGH armor.

[Dewce]

mages aren't that bad... i have come to realize that it's just really best to do like my sig says... from behind (and stealthed)... if they don't know you are coming you can get an ambush/backstab out really fast and take most mages completely out if you get 2 crits or really low. once you get that backstab off they will either blink and/or frost nova. at that point i either blind, ranged attack, or vanish. vanish is not one to use against a rogue that knows what they are doing though because they will just AOE you out of stealth, but if you wanna use it just to get out of the frost stuff you are ok. i don't wear my IotH much cause i like the HP regen of the frostwolf clan insignia, and the attack power from that hinterlands quest.

[Danyxandra]

Vilmah, that was a great vid!

[Vilmah]

Thanks! I wish I'd made it... I gotta make a video, one of these days...

[Cedes]

Don't worry about it.

At least you don't have to wear a dress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqO7zEWu0W0&mode=related&search=world%20of%20warcraft%20coke

i liek that video.

I also liek that tauren warrior with the Warlord armor carrying the Thunderfury with the Beserker buff. HE WAS HUGE!!!!!

[Teelia]

Spells go through armor?

[Shadowspeak]

Spells go through armor?

....yes...you didn't know that?

[Teelia]

Spells go through armor?

....yes...you didn't know that?

I can honestly say I didn't. I thought armor provided protection like it does against melee.

Man, I'm a noob and didn't even know it!!!

[Shadowspeak]

hence why you thought "How the hell did he one shot me!? I have 2k armor!"

Yea. get a nice two-hander for fighting casters.

[Teelia]

hence why you thought "How the hell did he one shot me!? I have 2k armor!"

Yea. get a nice two-hander for fighting casters.

*bows to the master*

Thats it. As soon as I get the chance, I'm getting a nice two hander just for special occasions.

[Cedes]

how muh damage do I do....

Lets see here...

-my white damage is in the 500s
-My damage crits are in the 900s-1200s (depending on class, etc)
-My Mortal strikes average around 1050 (higher and lower)
-My OP has a 50% plus spec and armor makes it 75%...anyways, it hits for 700-1010 crit damage
-My exicutes depend on rage and class, but id say anywhere from 1200 to 2300 (from lowest to my highest recorded crit)\
-IF i use my flask (50 war quest trinket), battle shout and get a beserker buff...il have 1500 attack power and ive OP'd a rogue for 1283 and Exicuted for 2300+

EDIT: oh, btw, i did once have 100 rage, beserker, battle shout, and flask and exicuted a warlock for 3400 something...no lie

[Aeriel]

I crit for 3-3.5k with ignite. With arcane power I can hit harder. With a trinket thrown in, it gets very ugly.

[Sinthe]

On which character? Your alliance or Horde mage?

[Fhenrir]

Thread-mancer!

[Maegannon]

Someone asked about pig and turtle:


Pig is a quest reward.

Turtle drops off the hydra boss in ZG. Not very offten, I might add.. my mage is still crying about it ;p

[dripygoo]

Mages can be abit tricky...the other day I had a 2 on 1 story that I would like to share, since its about mages.

Well was running through AV just past Icewing Bunker on way way to fight at Stormpike garveyard. And a silly lvl 60 mage was on the hill side and tried to get me...well we tossed a few spells at eachother, then out of nowere a lvl 55 rogue appears and joins in on the fight. Well by this time I am walking backwards but still fighting them both. They both are loaded with DoT's, and then boom the rogue drops and then one more Shadowbolt and the Mage drops. and I still at 45%health.

That was the first time that I have noticed a 2 on 1 fight and me winning. I am sure it has happend before.

But anyway, I have gone up again a few mages that were crit'n me for 1.5k+ and that didnt take long for that fight.

They can do damage but have "glass gaws"

[Shadowspeak]

With my warlock I let my Felhunter use mages for food. On my warrior, all I have to do is trinket out of the rost nova and kill them in about three hits.

[EnheilRas]

*watches the 25,000 damage Shaman Crit*

Not this much.

[Shadowspeak]

You still know that whole thing was setup, so theres no real possibility that could ever actually happen.

But it is still amazing.

[Aeriel]

On which character? Your alliance or Horde mage?

Alliance

[EnheilRas]

Mages > all.

When I crit you for almost 1800 then you'll agree.

priests > mages.

My shield can abosorb over 1k dammage


My grounding totem can absorb infinite damage.

[Aeriel]

Mages > all.

When I crit you for almost 1800 then you'll agree.

priests > mages.

My shield can abosorb over 1k dammage


My grounding totem can absorb infinite damage.

As long as the cooldown is up. :wink:

[Teelia]

I can knock a grounding totem out in one shot, and then do 1k damage in just a second or two. mwahahaha.

I still get pwned by warlocks though

[Rajjah]

To OP:

You want to feel better about rogues? Forget about dueling mages all together, for now. Practice killing mage in the wild or in battlegrounds. You definitely can't gage a rogues effectiveness in battle based on a duel with a mage, especially if it's me...er...i mean an Ice mage. Do that and you'll be re-rolling due to lack of confidence in no time.

I used to play a rogue myself, i have a 60 who was my first ever character in wow. I had a blast with him, although i got tired of the pvp server community as well as the alliance in general, so i switched servers and became the proud horde member i am today.

[Shadowspeak]

I dunno. Subtlety rogues can defeat a mage pretty easily... but if you don't get the jump, your screwed.

The point is catching em off guard or while distracted or weak.... and make sure they aren't using any AoE's :P

[Rajjah]

I dunno. Subtlety rogues can defeat a mage pretty easily... but if you don't get the jump, your screwed.

The point is catching em off guard or while distracted or weak.... and make sure they aren't using any AoE's :P

Well jumping a mage when he's weak is no testiment to a rogues effectiveness....er wait scratch that, that's the only time they're effective ha! jk...not really....jk...no.

I was cb/prep build on my rogue, but i don't agree with the statement "sublety rogues can defeat a mage pretty easily", because we can't be stun locked, not to mention ice talents to slow attack/movement speed when they hit me. Being deep frost doesn't help the rogues case in this case, although i'm sure that statement holds more truth for arcane or fire mages. Still situational as everything else though so i'm not gonna god mode and say i can't be beat by a rogue, just saying i have all the advantages to defeat rogues so feel free to try...god knows they all do, when i'm mid fight already! damn yous all ta hell. (they still fail though 95%)

[Shadowspeak]

Well, a sub rogue won't be stunning you. Not right out (- unless your combat/sub mix)

And I never really mean't easily... what I meant to say was "easier than others" becaus of the fact that they deal a shitload of damage with about two differant hits IF they get them off, and if your'e not prepared, thats bad news on a mages part.

And you could be unbuffed.

[Rajjah]

Unprepared yes, as is no shield buff etc. But that would be a fluke/worst case scenario.

[Shadowspeak]

I will say one thing- SOMEONE IMPRESS ME.

Iv'e never lost to a mage- EVER. That, and the only way you will win is NOT being Ice... I sear, those so many freaking ice mages... go fire or something!

The only mage to even come close to beating me was Khalis, a fire mage.

[Fhenrir]

Ice Mages are hell for a melee class.

[EnheilRas]

I can knock a grounding totem out in one shot, and then do 1k damage in just a second or two. mwahahaha.

I still get pwned by warlocks though

Why would I have it up against a rogue ?'

For a Paladin? yes, because it can absorb eye-for-an-eye when I get those nasty little 2400 combo crits.

[Marroc]

... Where's that 9,000 damage frostbolt crit screenshot when you need it.

[EnheilRas]

No. It was a 25,000 damage chain lightning