Rhonin as head of Dalaran WotLK is bad because?

[Gorvena]

Why is it so bad?

[opalexian]

you didn't include 'because we aren't in Feudal Japan lol' :(

[Broxigan]

I see no problem with it. Not to mention, Night of the Dragon will be published around November, another book with Rhonin, Veressa taking place in Northrend.

[Yatokth]

THOSE DAMN GINGERS.

[teutelquessir]

THOSE DAMN GINGERS.

QFT!!!

[Qabian]

Where is the all of the above option?

[Raziel]

because if Muradin is still alive, then fuck it so is Antonidas.

[Jeedup]

because if Muradin is still alive, then fuck it so is Antonidas.

I dunno, the dwarf is KINDA close to being legit on being alive, I dunno about Antonidas, he did get a sword in the gut from dear old Arthas.

[Anthek]

I dunno, the dwarf is KINDA close to being legit on being alive, I dunno about Antonidas, he did get a sword in the gut from dear old Arthas.

Seeing as you defeat his ghost in the Dalaran prison in the Blood Elf Campaign, I'm gonna go with that he's dead.

[Korrin]

I dunno, the dwarf is KINDA close to being legit on being alive, I dunno about Antonidas, he did get a sword in the gut from dear old Arthas.

I call BS on that dwarf he got impaled with an ice shard not grazed not paper cut impaled he was in the middle of Northrend behind all those traps and guardians. As far as I know he never went to Outland so he didn't have any underspore pod fronds from the spore people so he had no food to bring him to full health so he should be dead.

Then again lol space squids so I guess everything is fine from a lore perspective.

[Lisbet]

Hey Eff you I like my lol space squids ;p

[Korrin]

Real draenei look cooler, I miss my broken disguise for TK. Broken > Space Squid

[Geofforan]

GIN-GERRRRRRRRRR!

[Agnarr]

Where is the "Who?" option?

[Izrail]

Dalran?

[Thalevia]

Because he's an author self insert douchbag with a silly Japanese name who is somehow both an incompetent moron and the savior of the night elf race and the entire world at the same time.

Illidan only mastered his magic cause some lame ass human taught him? IE Illidan is only the badass he is today cause Rhonin(a human who learn't from the decendents of the highborn) taught him magic....

The night elves despite living beside the Well of Eternity could only use it after Rhonin had shown them how?

He hooks up with the hot elven sister of a major lore figure and not only marries her, he has TWINS with her, something even Knaak mentions was super sparkly special and human/elf babies rarely survive infancy and twins are extremely, as in they never happen, rare.

He was special enough in his stupidity to be mentored by a red dragon...and not just any red dragon, one of the Aspects consorts.

I wish to god he was killable, cause I would find a way to do it. The ONLY reason he's the head of Dalaran is because Metzen worships the ground Knaak walks on and thinks the man is the best fantasy author of all time.

One of those things (ok maybe not the teaching Illidan magic, thats just fucking stupid) is believable in a hero type character but all of them? That is a fanboys fantasy self insert straight down to the hot elven wife and ultimate cosmic powers.

[Errigal]

THOSE DAMN GINGERS.

Seriously. I hate gingers. They steal your scarves and your heart.

[Qabian]

Illidan only mastered his magic cause some lame ass human taught him? IE Illidan is only the badass he is today cause Rhonin(a human who learn't from the decendents of the highborn) taught him magic....

The night elves despite living beside the Well of Eternity could only use it after Rhonin had shown them how?

Weeeell, they were already using magic and damn powerful stuff. Azshara didn't need any human chump's help to lay out the welcome mat for Sargeras.

But they were limited by the cycles of the moon, and Rhonin somehow let them bypass this and make them AWESOMER with all the... stuff he... learned from... my brain hurts. I hated those books. I really did. I only read them because I wanted to know what happened, even if stuffing babies in time pockets made me cry with sad. *cough*

[Agnarr]

I use time pockets for cooking food. That way I don't have to wait for it to cook.

[Qabian]

Blue dragon omelettes! That's why Malygos is so pissed! Screw you, Korialstrasz!

[EnheilRas]

At least Brox was likeable.

[Lisbet]

^ this


Oh and --- TITLE FIXT ;p

[Pelerin]

I call BS on that dwarf he got impaled with an ice shard not grazed not paper cut impaled he was in the middle of Northrend behind all those traps and guardians. As far as I know he never went to Outland so he didn't have any underspore pod fronds from the spore people so he had no food to bring him to full health so he should be dead.

Then again lol space squids so I guess everything is fine from a lore perspective.

Quoted from here: http://www.wow-tng.org/showthread.php?t=12390

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ2ci5clRwQ

(about 5:40 into that is start of the correct cutscene)

I see him get hit with an ice shard and fall over, the shard laying above/near his head. It's assumed he died by the viewer, but there's no blood or confirmation or anything. It's plausible that the ice shard smacked him good in the helmeted head and/or chest and simply knocked him silly.

Here's the same scene in WotLK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-WvSBHcsE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-WvSBHcsE)"

[NotMaithanet]

Thalevia pretty much covered it up. Metzen thinks Knaak is God because Knaak for as much as I hate him has enough imagination to at least attempt to cover the holes in the Warcraft Lore.

Thal. I love you. You said all I wanted to say about him without a ton of profanity.

Rhonin is an awful character. Same for Veressa. Day of the Dragon is just awful.

[Xiphus]

Rhonin will save the day by redeeming Malygos with the power of Gary Stu.

[Rai]

I'm actually a fan of Knaak's Warcraft books and the Rhonin character. Though I haven't actually read any of Knaak's non-wow books, I find him as good a writer as anyone else Metzen used to deepen the lore.

I've kinna bogged down another thread (http://www.wow-tng.org/showthread.php?t=13296&page=2) about this because I liked the guy so much, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find it elsewhere. It is a trendy position to hate him (along with Knaak) and I can't really understand why...

Anyways I posted quite a bit there but it sums up that I don't view Rhonin as some insert-self character but a rather deep individual with many flaws. He spends the greater part of the stories he is in working to get past them. I mean the start of his journey has him accepting a suicide mission in hopes of having it end his life for him. He is a cowardly character at first who can't even bring himself to suicide. He spends a large part of the story brooding over his failures, notably the Illidan-like reckless spellcasting that cost his allies their lives. He is only even on the mission he is because he is being used as a pawn by Korialstrasz. This is not a perfection based hero. His whole character speaks of the cause for self-betterment and redemption, something we all know pretty large yet basic parts of warcraft lore.

His story changes in his breaking free of his burden and rising above what Korialstrasz was using him for. Not only that but he is responsible for filling the red dragon with hope again and reminding him of the strength of mortals and why the red dragonflight exists.

Oh and on the subject of half-elven babies, most babies of the time period of any race would have a hard time making it past infancy. Medical science isn't at a peak we could say. I would also imagine a large part of the rarity present is also in humans and elves even mating for children. Anyways, all irrelevant to why I like Rhonin but thought I'd throw that out there.

Rhonin is special yes, and a great character. Just because he has a lot to be thankful for, doesn't make him a bad character and more then the guys who get stepped on and killed early are "bad" characters.

[Pyrisath]

Knaak's characters are god-mod.

OH LOOK! I TRAVEL BACK IN TIME AND SHOOT WEIRD NEEDLE THINGS FROM SHARDS OF SHTUFF. I CAN'T DIE OR BE HURT BECAUSE I'M HEAD OF MAGE SANCTUM NEXT XPACLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

As said before, at least Brox was likeable. Rhonin... Just no.

[Rai]

Knaak's characters are god-mod.

OH LOOK! I TRAVEL BACK IN TIME AND SHOOT WEIRD NEEDLE THINGS FROM SHARDS OF SHTUFF. I CAN'T DIE OR BE HURT BECAUSE I'M HEAD OF MAGE SANCTUM NEXT XPACLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

As said before, at least Brox was likeable. Rhonin... Just no.sooooo your reasoning is he went back in time, cast spells and didn't die....

very deep, totally see your point. Guess I'm godmode for doing Caverns of Time. Goooo ME!

[Raziel]

sooooo your reasoning is he went back in time, cast spells and didn't die....

very deep, totally see your point. Guess I'm godmode for doing Caverns of Time. Goooo ME!

You're packing such a hard on for Metzen and knaak right now Rai that small children are using it for shade.

[Geofforan]

You know, thinking about it...

Since Korialstraz/Krasus was weakened from going back in time and having a past version of himself there, why aren't we superweak when we go to the Caverns of Time and run Durnholde/Hyjal?

[Swerto]

Because we really don't go back in time the same way. It's more of dimensional travel.

[Rai]

You're packing such a hard on for Metzen and knaak right now Rai that small children are using it for shade.I've explained myself very thoroughly and refuse to lash out at two people for possible mistakes they made in speculation or even the ones we know they have made. Metzen has been very good about saying he's sorry when he overlooks something in the rush to get out new content. He did it for draenei, he did it for Hakkar. And on Knaak, I liked the books, I liked Rhonin and have no shame in saying so. Especially since is typically the most I have to deal with in terms of intellectual retort.


Because we really don't go back in time the same way. It's more of dimensional travel.Yeah, I think the events are separated from the rest of reality around it in their own little pocket. Kinna how you try to leave Hillsbrad and can't quiet make it out.

[Pyrisath]

Rai, your humor is noted and unappreciated. Knaak god-mods his characters, as I do not recall Rhonin ever getting truly hurt. Only Krasus got majorly near-fatal hurt, and that was mainly a plot device so that we could see the druid's connection with nature. Rhonin emodies the Gary Sue. Maybe that is why people hate him? Or are you going to go on about 'Game mechanics=Written stories'?

Also, I just read back on some of your post. Please respond to this with your knowledge of what a true Gary Sue is. It is not someone who is never hurt, etc..

[Abric]

Heh, sounds like you are all heading towards a Batman versus Superman conversation.

"Superman is cooler because he's so powerful, and he's so deep in his character plot. I mean, he came from another planet! And he was raised as one of us!"

"Dude, Batman is the shit. He's got a utility belt, and he doesn't have any powers except for HIS skreet smarts! He also doesn't use guns, because he's a fucking ninja. With a bat cowl."

Knaak is an ok author, better than what I could do (he's been published, I haven't - he wins.) I know him through the Dragonlance series... and his books weren't one of the better Dragonlance stories, even though he had the bad asses to write about - MINOTAURS!

So, Rhonin was his special dick hard fantasy? Good for Knaak, and just not so good for a lot of lore fans of the Warcraft universe. Of course, I think we all are pretty dissapointed in many more things than Rhonin merely being the leader of the Kirin Tor, and being Jesus with fireballs and dragons.

... never been a fan of time portal stories, either. So humans were taught magic from High Elves, who are the former Highborne... who were taught by a human? TIME PARADOX! Where's Chromie when you need her?

[Rai]

Rai, your humor is noted and unappreciated.Sorry. I mean your logic was read and unconvincing so I guess I can understand the whole "reading and I have reactions" deal... :rolleyes:

Knaak god-mods his characters, as I do not recall Rhonin ever getting truly hurt. Only Krasus got majorly near-fatal hurt, and that was mainly a plot device so that we could see the druid's connection with nature.So according to this it doesn't count if the character doesn't die. It would do me no good to list injuries if you are just going to take this escape and say "he is a bad character because he doesn't die." I'm sorry but it just doesn't have the weight you seem to think it does. Of course I don't think I see what merit being physically injured even has towards a character being good exactly anyways so again, it is "why bother?"

/sigh
Guess I can throw you a bone being as you probably having read Day of the Dragon to know that during the end while Rhonin is undergoing his character transition he has the bones in his hand shattered. It was either by Nekros or the golem, I can't be sure without rereading the last quarter of the book but you can flip to the end and learn he carried the injury away with him as they departed the area.

Or are you going to go on about 'Game mechanics=Written stories'?Pardon? Are you referring to the jab I made at you about how going back in time makes me god-mode? I mean you do understand the events that occur in game are lore right? Perhaps not me and my actions specifically, but if Zaladormu sends heroX back in time, and they are a caster, and make it out alive they are god mode. This is also the reasoning that makes the entire bronze dragonflight god-mode in your opinion. If you accept the roles of the aspects though, and accept what that dragonflight does, then replacing dragonX with mortalX doesn't become a leap at all.

I'd also like you to keep this reference (http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas_and_Game_Mechanics) handy.

Rhonin emodies the Gary Sue. Maybe that is why people hate him?
...
Also, I just read back on some of your post. As I understand it, the typical sue has nothign to do with whether or not a character gets injured, at least not in the physical sense. If you mean emotionally (which of course I have to guess at because you don't see to be hitting exactly what a "sue" is) then there are many examples I could site.

First I find myself getting over the initial shock of the claim though, something that is required because typically people who dislike Rhonin do so for the opposite reason you do and find his story in Day of the Dragon a drag, a downer, a tale of a brooding nobody used as a pawn and doing no real greatness. Indeed, the "I hate Rhonin camp" finds themselves pissing in the wind when they list why because the flaws we have present in his introductory tale have him as the exact opposite of your complaint against him. That is where we can start, with this brooding, pessimist of a man. A man who cannot get past how his recklessness caused the deaths of his friends and allies. He is then take by Korialstrasz because of this... what's the word... flaw and used as a pawn because of it. The tale is then about a man hoping for his death, accepting a suicide mission because he is too much of a coward to end it all himself. He spends much of the trip, as we have already been over, brooding over his past. I mean how much more pathetic does he have to be for you to think he ISN'T a "sue?"

Of course we can go into his story of redemption and self-betterment, but that doesn't erase the falsehood of your initial analysis and the conversation starts to become about his character depth, which I would be happy to discuss if you need it.

Please respond to this with your knowledge of what a true Gary Sue is. It is not someone who is never hurt, etc..I'm not sure I have a real answer for you, I know the definition but it is not something I typically ponder on. I would suppose maybe the original superman would be one, back before they started delving deeper with the movies and giving Clark a personality in the other spinoffs you'll find. Same with the original goody-goody persona the old batman had.

[Rai]

Heh, sounds like you are all heading towards a Batman versus Superman conversation.

"Superman is cooler because he's so powerful, and he's so deep in his character plot. I mean, he came from another planet! And he was raised as one of us!"

"Dude, Batman is the shit. He's got a utility belt, and he doesn't have any powers except for HIS skreet smarts! He also doesn't use guns, because he's a fucking ninja. With a bat cowl." I swear I started writing my last response before I read this >.>


... never been a fan of time portal stories, either. So humans were taught magic from High Elves, who are the former Highborne... who were taught by a human? TIME PARADOX! Where's Chromie when you need her?She's the evil hidden force that is hiding in the well during the trilogy. Surely we can blame all this on her.


So, Rhonin was his special dick hard fantasy? Good for Knaak, and just not so good for a lot of lore fans of the Warcraft universe. Of course, I think we all are pretty dissapointed in many more things than Rhonin merely being the leader of the Kirin Tor, and being Jesus with fireballs and dragons.haha, I think you are my new favorite person.

[Omy]

Wow... I didn't know all this hate existed...

I actually just started reading the War of the Ancients archive I picked up from the store...I'm like, *looks* 153 or so pages in...

I rather like it so far. And Rhonin too...

Hmm...

[Grayslin]

Wow... I didn't know all this hate existed...

I actually just started reading the War of the Ancients archive I picked up from the store...I'm like, *looks* 153 or so pages in...

I rather like it so far. And Rhonin too...

Hmm...
Don't let these guys (and gals) convince you that you're wrong for enjoying something they didn't. If you like it, then you're better off than them. See, it's lore, so everyone has to put up with it anyway because it's part of the story. You get the bonus of not having a problem with it. ;)

For me, personally, I enjoyed it well enough that I'm not going to nitpick about who taught who magic. But then again, I read it as along the same lines of the CoT instances. As in, that's not the way it originally happened, but somebody messed with things and they had to fix it. To me, Rhonin, Brox and Krasus were just a convenient vehicle for telling the story of the War of the Ancients from the perspective that those more familiar with the current time period of Azeroth could relate to most directly.

[Vilmah]

THOSE DAMN GINGERS.

QFT!!

[Tirralys]

Ditto Omy, don't let our conversations drive you to deter your decision about something - if anything, read it and fight back! You can like what you want to like. For instance, I rather enjoy the book The Island of the Blue Dolphins. I first read it when I was in sixth grade. I still think it was kind of cool. Don't judge me!

As for Rhonin...I suggest we all try to kill him once. That way, we don't lose too much rep with Dalaran, and all the people who hate him at least got to see him die.

Makes everyone happy, yes?

[Rai]

Ditto Omy, don't let our conversations drive you to deter your decision about something - if anything, read it and fight back! You can like what you want to like. For instance, I rather enjoy the book The Island of the Blue Dolphins. I first read it when I was in sixth grade. I still think it was kind of cool. Don't judge me!

As for Rhonin...I suggest we all try to kill him once. That way, we don't lose too much rep with Dalaran, and all the people who hate him at least got to see him die.

Makes everyone happy, yes?well all the hordies at least. Those guys are gonna be faction locked right?

[Tirralys]

well all the hordies at least. Those guys are gonna be faction locked right?

Not sure. From what I heard from Thal (when I brought this up to her last night) even if you go to war with Dalaran, for some reason Rhonin is still friendly. I speculated that it might be a bug that will be fixed later, but I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure everyone will start off as neutral with them, as they've been in a bubble for the past so many years (if my logic serves me correct) so they shouldn't trust much of anyone.

Then again, I could be crraaazzzzy!

[Thalevia]

People can like the characters they want and are more than free to but I will continue to argue why they suck ass.

Rhonin for example could have been likeable, had he not had so many sparkly special powers/things, which I did point out, beginning with his bloody name.

I liked the fact the books filled a lot of lore holes. But as someone who rereads books a lot, these will never see a reread from me.

[Rai]

Rhonin for example could have been likeable, had he not had so many sparkly special powers/things, which I did point out, beginning with his bloody name.haha, something I never expected to hear when discussing warcraft lore. I mean "sparkly special powers/things" are cornerstones :p

Rhonin ranks up there with Thrall in the "sparkly special powers/things" category with them being beaten by Illidan, most of the high ranking demons and probably your typical dragon. :rolleyes:

I'm really looking forward to Wrath so I can get some more "sparkly special powers/things." ;)
Oh and curse blizzard for not giving priests Confetti Explosion (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2041155288&sid=1&pageNo=1). We put up a good fight across many threads, but I guess it was not meant to be.

[Josylin]

Definitly the ginger....:P

[Rand_Shea]

As someone who hasn't had a chance to buy and read the Warcraft series yet...

I have no idea what Rhonin is like, what he did or didn't do, or if he actually farts rainbows and craps gold nuggets while fighting off space aliens in the Megazord.

So... not gonna say if it's pointless for him to be a major Wrath NPC or not. Developer's choice, either way... maybe if people want it bad enough they'll have an event where he's overthrown and you can get a quest to cut off his head like a certain other pretty-boy in the WoW universe.

And as a reward, you can get a shiny new purple gem that has a lot of one flat stat and is actually harder to slot in your gear because you wanted THAT stat as well as something else in order to benefit your character more than just "LOLFLATSTAT". Damn primary colors...

ANYWAY...

Let's just remember, though.... Your choice in books != the be all end all ultimate super right thing EVER choice in books. Your choice in characters != the be all end all ultimate super right thing EVER choice in characters.

Thalevia hates Rhonin. Cool. Rai likes Rhonin. Good for them. Thalevia and Rai having sissy slappy playground fights over whether or not Rhonin is the best or worst character ever is TEH DUMB.

And let's not forget Raziel's brilliant commentary, yet again. So productive and Godly that I think the economy just spiked 20 points from the internet being exposed to it. Wooooo?

Seriously... discuss the character and if he fits the role... NOT your personal feelings towards a made up man who doesn't give a shit either way if you love or hate who he is.

[Yatokth]

As someone who hasn't had a chance to buy and read the Warcraft series yet...

I have no idea what Rhonin is like, what he did or didn't do, or if he actually farts rainbows and craps gold nuggets while fighting off space aliens in the Megazord.

So... not gonna say if it's pointless for him to be a major Wrath NPC or not. Developer's choice, either way... maybe if people want it bad enough they'll have an event where he's overthrown and you can get a quest to cut off his head like a certain other pretty-boy in the WoW universe.

And as a reward, you can get a shiny new purple gem that has a lot of one flat stat and is actually harder to slot in your gear because you wanted THAT stat as well as something else in order to benefit your character more than just "LOLFLATSTAT". Damn primary colors...

ANYWAY...

Let's just remember, though.... Your choice in books != the be all end all ultimate super right thing EVER choice in books. Your choice in characters != the be all end all ultimate super right thing EVER choice in characters.

Thalevia hates Rhonin. Cool. Rai likes Rhonin. Good for them. Thalevia and Rai having sissy slappy playground fights over whether or not Rhonin is the best or worst character ever is TEH DUMB.

And let's not forget Raziel's brilliant commentary, yet again. So productive and Godly that I think the economy just spiked 20 points from the internet being exposed to it. Wooooo?

Seriously... discuss the character and if he fits the role... NOT your personal feelings towards a made up man who doesn't give a shit either way if you love or hate who he is.

Discussions evolve - discussing the validity and quality of a character from fiction (whether he has reality, believability to him, or if he's likeable, etc) is not only an interesting discussion but one relevant to the discussion because many dislike Rhonin as an NPC due to their belief that he is a shitty character.

God forbid we talk about two things at once that are intertwined. That would be too complex for the average TNGer!

Oh, and as for Raz - he's joking, chill.

[Tirralys]

Thalevia hates Rhonin. Cool. Rai likes Rhonin. Good for them. Thalevia and Rai having sissy slappy playground fights over whether or not Rhonin is the best or worst character ever is TEH DUMB.


I call the see-saw!

..oh crap, this post will be deleted..uhh...

I don't like characters that can do everything. Though I have not read the books, what I am hearing about this man is atrocious, simply atrocious. I like Thrall's story, I like Arthas' story, but there were things guiding what they did.

Personally, I just say we all team up horde side, and kill him once, get it out of our systems, and go about our merry way. I mean, how would it make you feel if Richard (from lfg) became a npc? Hmm? A warlock who controls fire AND frost? Who can open portals? Hmm? A warlock who seems fishingly like a mage? And don't forget, he has the mad monk hand-to-hand skills too! Let's not mention the fact that he stole his in-game singing career from Ela'Jinn! *sniffle*

I'm sure people would fight over that as well. >_>

[Yatokth]

I call the see-saw!

..oh crap, this post will be deleted..uhh...

I don't like characters that can do everything. Though I have not read the books, what I am hearing about this man is atrocious, simply atrocious. I like Thrall's story, I like Arthas' story, but there were things guiding what they did.

Personally, I just say we all team up horde side, and kill him once, get it out of our systems, and go about our merry way. I mean, how would it make you feel if Richard (from lfg) became a npc? Hmm? A warlock who controls fire AND frost? Who can open portals? Hmm? A warlock who seems fishingly like a mage? And don't forget, he has the mad monk hand-to-hand skills too! Let's not mention the fact that he stole his in-game singing career from Ela'Jinn! *sniffle*

I'm sure people would fight over that as well. >_>

LFG =/= WoW Universe

[Tirralys]

LFG =/= WoW Universe

Well, yeah, but I couldn't think of a better example.

I would've said Pandas but people love them.

Hmm...I guess the closest thing I can equate to in the WoW universe would be the discussion of Space Squids...crash landing on azeroth...I think it's about the same.

[Rai]

Let's just remember, though.... Your choice in books != the be all end all ultimate super right thing EVER choice in books. Your choice in characters != the be all end all ultimate super right thing EVER choice in characters.

Thalevia hates Rhonin. Cool. Rai likes Rhonin. Good for them. Thalevia and Rai having sissy slappy playground fights over whether or not Rhonin is the best or worst character ever is TEH DUMB.

...

Seriously... discuss the character and if he fits the role... NOT your personal feelings towards a made up man who doesn't give a shit either way if you love or hate who he is.Mhrm. Just keep in mind the conversations centered around descriptions that can be verified, they don't hold pure subjective meaning. If someone were to call Rhonin flawless and I show flaws for example, it wasn't a subjective "he's cool!" vs. "nuh uh!" hissy-fit, but a discussion where one claim can be verified and either proven or disproven. I can agree with the rest, just keep in mind it hasn't become the pissing contest you envision yet. :p

[Rand_Shea]

Discussions evolve - discussing the validity and quality of a character from fiction (whether he has reality, believability to him, or if he's likeable, etc) is not only an interesting discussion but one relevant to the discussion because many dislike Rhonin as an NPC due to their belief that he is a shitty character.

God forbid we talk about two things at once that are intertwined. That would be too complex for the average TNGer!

Oh, and as for Raz - he's joking, chill.

It was fine when they described what he did and why or why not he was worthy of the position... it got derailed when the whole "AHMAHGAHD YOU DON'T SHARE MY OPINION?! UR TEH ST000PID".

I'm not interested in watching playground arguments.

And as for Raz... it's the same cookie cutter comments give or take a few words just about anytime he posts. Time for some variety all ready.

[Rai]

... it got derailed when the whole "AHMAHGAHD YOU DON'T SHARE MY OPINION?! UR TEH ST000PID".

I'm not interested in watching playground arguments.:confused:
Pyr and I got smart with one another, devoting all of one sentence each to it and the thread has been nothing but cordial since (jokes included). Its been fun.

I think you are reading into things that aren't there. You're taking this more seriously then those debating...

[Pyrisath]

Heh, I just thought about it and realized why I hate Rhonin so god-damn much.

HIS CHILDREN ARE HALF-ELVES AND TWINS. WTF BLIZZ LOL

Oh yeah, and I'm overzealous about my opinions. Sorry about that Rai, I was stressed during the week. I'm going to try and stay away from this thread now. xD

[Raziel]

And as for Raz... it's the same cookie cutter comments give or take a few words just about anytime he posts. Time for some variety all ready.

Cookie Cutter? Why I never!

[Yatokth]

It was fine when they described what he did and why or why not he was worthy of the position... it got derailed when the whole "AHMAHGAHD YOU DON'T SHARE MY OPINION?! UR TEH ST000PID".

I'm not interested in watching playground arguments.

And as for Raz... it's the same cookie cutter comments give or take a few words just about anytime he posts. Time for some variety all ready.

WELL PLAYED GUD SIR.

No, but really, yeah, some stupidity was going on, but it's bound to happen - people are stupid (including me! :D) so yeah. There was still some productive discussion.

And sometimes old jokes are the best. :)

[Rai]

Heh, I just thought about it and realized why I hate Rhonin so god-damn much.

HIS CHILDREN ARE HALF-ELVES AND TWINS. WTF BLIZZ LOLHe's a potent man. Jesus with fireballs... in bed.


Oh yeah, and I'm overzealous about my opinions. Sorry about that Rai, I was stressed during the week. I'm going to try and stay away from this thread now. xDAh don't listen to these babies, I'm fine and deserve some criticism here and there :p