Concerning the .. zergishness of the Alliance tonight..

[Aquizit]

I apologize for that.. not splitting up as originally planned..



I log on tonight, to check my mail and run a couple things, and like.. ten people asked if I was leading tonight. Well, I had no plans to originally, since I had work and stuff, so I was just going to skip the event, but so many people asking me made me change my mind.


I formed us up, but... didn't really have any idea what was supposed to happen, so I was constantly talking with Turen through tells.. trying to figure out the objectives.. No-one ever got split up, nor did we hit all three objectives at the same time.


From an RP standpoint, this is perfectly fine, "all is fair in love and war" .. and this sure seemed like war to me. However we wanted to attack, we could, and there's not a damned thing the horde army could do to stop us.

On the other hand, we kinda rolled you guys, and I'm not sure if that's really how it was supposed to happen..



Another point of confusion was after Fenris.. you all left the isle.. but no-one saw Pincus go down.. I asked Turen what was happening, and general consensus was that Alliance met the objective.. we rezzed Turen and called it a victory.



The raid on UC was just for fun, and it was.




All in all, a successful event, and I hope for more in the future soon!

[Muatah]

post removed by Mortica due to flamage

[Abric]

I will be speaking to Turen privately about this, since it seems both he and I put our heads together and some of the finer details.

OVERALL: Good times. I believe that was a successful RP event. I know there was a lot of RP on the Horde side... at least that was what I was being told (and I was RPing like a son of a bitch in tells and raid.)

In reference to the zerg... well, that will be spoken in detail privately. Publicly, it was originally put out that was to be avoided so it didn't become another lag fest. Unfortunately, our first group hit got that... but we rolled with the punches.

And yes, Pincus didn't die. Heh, you faced the Grim elite (and others of course!) and you were found wanting.

BUT. We left... and Turen's body was still there. So essentially, he got rezzed and there is no issue with that. There will be RP involved, of course; after a chosen set of options can be discussed by a player perspective before character interactions can happen.


I've asked the majority of the Horde players involved to keep it clean, and to take this In Character instead of Out of Character; so that we can see more things inside Nether Legends, instead of Inferno Control. I told them there must of been a reason the Alliance did what they did - and when I saw Northface there, I knew why. I would like all blame placed on Just Pro. (Just jokes, of course.)

....

And Pylith, you ran away like a girl. Bwhahaha

AbricOOC
~DOOM!

[Niethan]

All I know is, I freaked when I saw that massive army come boiling out of the lake. Too stunned to take a screenie, which sucks.

[Muatah]

All I know is, I freaked when I saw that massive army come boiling out of the lake. Too stunned to take a screenie, which sucks.

Larger scale world battles are cool, ain't they?

I certainly enjoy them. Got some wires crossed tonight, it happens... we learn from it....

.... and do it again! :twisted:

[Aquizit]

I'll take most of the blame for the fact of the zerg.. I had -no- idea I was gonna end up leading the Alliance side.. so I just put up some plan on the fly.. I really had no idea how things were supposed to work.



As for running from you, yeah.. my healer was screaming at me to get back into LoS. That and you + Morticia = OWIE I'M BLEEDING

That lake attack -was- kinda sweet though eh? .. hehe, I had all the warlocks cast unending breath on everyone so we could swim underneath and not be seen..

[Dhurandal]

Abric, I appreciated seeing that it was you that put me down. I was probably the priest doing the most frontline resurrection, so when I finally got stabbed I was like "*%$&@#!!!!!".

I think it was successful in that a few guilds joined the Alliance-side with their 40's and lower, those previously unaware of TNG and what we try to do here. The Serpents and Battleworthy showed up with no one above 41, which to me means that there's hope we can do this again sometime and perhaps do it to perfection next time.

One of the problems was that we had to change plans repeatedly on the fly. We had a Rogue scouting Tarren Mill while we were holding our meeting at Aerie Peak. I think we were supposed to have one group pass through Tarren Mill, but during the meeting there was a Forsaken that found our gathering and proceeded to RP grief. We didn't know if she told anyone about our meeting, but soon thereafter we got reports of several 60's showing up in Tarren Mill. So we ended up scrapping that plan to go past Tarren Mill, which meant that we moved as a zerg and never broke up.

The other problem was the lack of diversity in the Alliance members that showed up. We had...five priests, two druids, four paladins, zero mages, and two warlocks. The level differentials were considerable too. Not exactly the easiest thing to divide into three groups.

The stealth approach through the lake was one of the better moments, but it sort of led to the zerging that happened. When we came out, the coast was clear and I think we were going to clarify what was what when someone said we were spotted. Whee! There goes the army after the scout...everyone follows.

We also had some difficulty with orders being followed since people didn't do the about face when told. Too much bloodlust.

I just hope there's no hard feelings for anyone involved in the project. There were mistakes made and hopefully we can rectify that next time. Let's just make sure there is a next time. Otherwise, this is going to get boring quick.

[Jacan]

I break out of my hiatus to say...

This was simply the best time I've had RPing Horde-side. I've done little to no face-to-face RP since I rolled up Jacan, and was so pleased that I actually got my little lock to talk. Abric and Turen both took a risk in letting a measely 42 be a target, but they still allowed it, and it was great fun.

Just a touch disheartening, though, when I looked over the railing of that ship and saw what must have been the entire Alliance raid on the shores...my poor little nine protectors went down so quick. At least it took two stunties to kill me...one of which being Pylith himself! *flex*

[Aquizit]

Cause no-one was attacking you! .. You were just standing there like.. "Yo.. it's cool." Pfft, I had to remind everyone we had -targets-.. I think Huffy or Tavinox helped me out with you.. but I coulda taken you down by myself. -wink-

[Mortica]

I had a good time..I hope everyone else had a good time.

I hope we can do something like this again in the near future!

[Shadowspeak]

Ironicaly, When I was defending the boat the first face I saw was Hifazat. After chasing him up I litterally said "Oh... shit" when i saw this one massive group of Alliance.

Good times... but i didn't get to kill HIf.

[Dhurandal]

I think part of the good time was before the actual fighting. I don't know about how it was Horde-side, but it allowed us Alliance to really see things to let us know RP was going on.

Nothing like seeing the Ironforge Regiment form up while receiving their orders.

[Aquizit]

Heh, was like the only time I wasn't really in the "lead" spot..

Most of the other times.. I was leading the pack.


Hehe, you liked the formation? I liked my little speech before the attack.. really fired my boys up.

[Shadowspeak]

Anyone got pics?

[Nadea]

Oh man....I was trying to defend myself...but the soft-locks on my computer just wouldnt let me! I froze up on the bridge before 1/2 of the alliance got there...and when I unfreeze...there are like 3000000 of you! At any rate....little Nadea and her secksy demon horns could NOT be protected from a mass like that O_o


I had fun tonight though, regardless! =D

[Dhurandal]

Damn. Forgot to take them. Anyhow, since Pincus never went down, Abric...we're going to need to concoct an explanation as to how Turen was still resurrected storywise. I'm sure that you creative writers can give a workaround beyond what was originally intended, right? After all, if the Alliance attacks failed, Turen wasn't going to stay dead, right?

[Vertas]

post removed by Mortica because it was in response to the other post i removed

[Aquizit]

I foresee a moving to the Inferno bin. :P

[Muatah]

....except Pincus never died.

I don't appreciate getting set up.

You want a roleplayed no-holds-barred war? No worries... let's do it.

This complicated setting up of "rules of engagement," that are just going to get ignored? Complete bullshit.

Thanks for the /spit Muatah, real classy of you :roll:

All In-Character, man. All IC.

The rogue Vertas has made a point of slaughtering weaker members of the Horde, terrorizing places like Sun Rock Retreat and Tarren Mill for.... how long now? Since last fall, as I recall. You have written more than once that you do this because you play her as a "psychopathic killer." Muatah and Vertas have fought a few times over the months in odd places around Azeroth. Two guesses as to what he thinks of her. 8)

Muatah tends to laugh in the faces of Alliance too, to show them what he thinks of them...

.... usually right before he dies.

[turen]

....except Pincus never died.

I don't appreciate getting set up.

You want a roleplayed no-holds-barred war? No worries... let's do it.

This complicated setting up of "rules of engagement," that are just going to get ignored? Complete bullshit.

Did you enjoy the event at all? If the answer is yes then you need to calm down. I've stated many times that the primary Allianve objective (taking the three points) was designed to be an easy way so I can get back into the game! Now the deal with Pincus is when all the Horde on Fenris left. I thought that the Horde were to stay till Pincus fell, and after this happened you were to leave for the Sepulchar and another fight would commence there or the undercity (which I hinted at). I knew the Undercity raid would be doomed to failure, but figured it would be an easy way to save face for the Horde so everybody could walk away happy. If you are still upset accept my sincerest apologies and feel free to never participate in an eveny I plan again.

[Mortica]

Before anyone gets hotheaded... I think Muatah realized it was an honest mistake:


Larger scale world battles are cool, ain't they?

I certainly enjoy them. Got some wires crossed tonight, it happens... we learn from it....

.... and do it again! :twisted:


Vertas: maybe someday I'll get to kill you, instead of the other way around, hehe.

[Muatah]

...and Turen, it's cool. I was angry, figured since most folks here are pretty reasonable I'd let 'em know I was angry, and why.

Now it's done. Stupid kinks-in-the-plans........ we'll work on 'em...

.......and do it again!

[Mortica]

I seriously doubt that. Unless you pull a DEb, its not going to happen. Just lay down and die. Vertas is insane. XD))

Oh hush. Us girls were having a bonding moment. No need to fawn all over us :P

[Aquizit]

I think we're all forgetting a big thing too..


The server was relatively stable.. I had a lag issue ONCE.. that's not bad in my opinion.


(I'm talking server lag.. not hardware lag, where it takes 20 minutes to load everything cause your hard drive is cranking away. :P)

[Fhenrir]

I seriously doubt that. Unless you pull a DEb, its not going to happen. Just lay down and die. Vertas is insane. XD))

And that's when you lose! No opponent is impossible.

...But I admit Vertas certainly knows her class. *rubs at a dagger wound in his back*

[EnheilRas]

I took her 1v1.

Went down smooth.

[Jacan]

Cause no-one was attacking you! .. You were just standing there like.. "Yo.. it's cool." Pfft, I had to remind everyone we had -targets-.. I think Huffy or Tavinox helped me out with you.. but I coulda taken you down by myself. -wink-

Oooh, I take offense to that! I think it was Tavinox that first clambered out of that hole to attack me...I sacrificed my VW, realized no one else was around, and just did a pitiful little Death Coil (which HIT, I might add!), and then spent my time trying to do Howl of Terror before I died. So sad. :(

I was pretty much trying to get some time to go "hep hep I aggrod" but I didn't get that opportunity. ;)

[Aquizit]

Actually you should be pretty proud.. you were the last one to die I think at the boat...

[Fhenrir]

The best part of the whole event was that...

I got to kill almost every familiar Alliance-side name I know. :twisted:

[Shadowspeak]

I seriously doubt that. Unless you pull a DEb, its not going to happen. Just lay down and die. Vertas is insane. XD))

Oh hush. Us girls were having a bonding moment. No need to fawn all over us :P

I soloed her Zust.

But of course at 60 Rogues are nothing.... to me.

[Syreena]

That event was so much fun last night. I was lucky and got assigned to Muatah's scouting party. So instead of sitting in one place waiting for the Alliance to come to us, we got to go look for them. And Mortica was in that party, so I finally got to meet her in game! :)

[Huffy]

OOC:
It was too cool to see all the Gazette Horde, I spent too much time going: "Look, there's Shadowspeak, Ooooo, look there's Mortica." When I should have been fighting. I'd have a hard time saying the Alliance won though, even if we did rez Turen, because we got wiped at the castle. I think pretty much everyone of us were making the long ghost run back from Southshore.

I think that it would have been more intense however, if we had split up.

[Voljaan]

I had a lot of fun. It started reeeeeaaaaaly slow, waiting for the Alliance to show up, but the battle was really intense. I'm surprised, because I was only level 26, and during the battle at the castle I only died once! It was a pretty funny death though; a warrior used intimidating shout and I had the bad luck to run straight out of the castle into a group of waiting 60's!

I didn't see too many familiar faces, but I did get a couple wacks off of Pylith. I must say though that I was very confused after the battle at the castle. No idea what was going on.

Still, though, we should do this again sometime!

[Kurohane]

Had a blast last night, guys. Still need to RP a bit about "omfg wtf Jacan" but over-all, everyone in Swordwaltzers/Pride of Bedlam had a BLAST. Thanks for putting this on.

[Tindary]

My favorite part was the order to "Charge the bridge!". Some of us were on foot, some still mounted, but all I saw was a sea of green names as we ran in one huge mass across the bridge. As we made it to the other side I remember thinking "wait, were we supposed to stop on the bridge and kill things?" so I turned around...only to see a bunch of dead Hordies. I think we trampled them to death.

Oh, and Pylith's inspirational speech before we started...while we waited in formation...and our various company battlecries, interspersed with the Forsaken's death throes. Ahhhh, gets the old blood pumping!

Edited to add: And perhaps my MOST favorite moment was when my husband (Koenig), who is a quadripalegic IRL and types with a pencil, yelled to me "Yay, I finally made it to the bottom!"....as we were about 3/4 of the way into our swimming across the lake. Made me giggle. Ok, I'm done now.

[Hifazat]

I personally had a blast. It was fun over all. Ha ha! You didn't kill me shadowspeak :p I will get you one of these days, i swear it. It will however be when you have 1/2 health and got 2 other people on you :p

[Ylisaxa]

I had tremendous fun last night and was just delighted to be involved at level 34. Thank you Borgas for taking care of the "walkers" and showing consideration for those without mounts. You all made us lowbies feel included and important.

My only criticism is very minor. When men fell, they fell. The group pressed on. At the time of the first attack on the island, half of the raid were still dead and ghosting back to their corpses. This left me in a difficult position of either moving with the masses and leaving the dead, or staying to revive the dead and lose pace with the army. I tried at one point to revive fallen commrades but ended up alone and was swiftly ganked by a romaing level 60 as I was unsupported. I don't know what the protocol is for large battles, but if it is considered usual to leave the dead and move on, we needed to have communicated that as a stategy - because I can tell you I was getting res requests left and right. And if we are moving on and leaving the dead in these occaisions, it would be beneficial to wait for them to catch up and meet with us before engaging enemies, no? But as I said, minor criticism and questions about protocol more than anything here.

I had a total blast. The meeting ar Aerie Peak was absolutely inspiring. The formations of the Ironforge Regiment were spectacular and gave them a real sense of identity. There was a very real feeling of different groups of people coming together to fight a common cause. Here is the only screenshot I managed to take:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e111/Ylisaxa/OpL715.jpg

I really really really can't wait for the next one! Good times were had by all.

[Tindary]

I had a talk with Pylith about that very thing, Vlisaxa. To be told to go find so-and-so and rez, while the rest of the group moves on...Umm, hello! I'm a target anyway, and you expect me to run out in unfamiliar territory all alone to find a body?

Anyway, I'm going to propose a solution formally to my Regiment when I get home from vacation. I appreciate you joining us! And I love the screenshot!

[Hifazat]

I have some screenshots. Will post them when at home.

[Burgam]

I didn't manage to make the raid because I had a guild meeting. Amazingly enough, after the meeting our guild raided Tarren Mill (with limited success) and we found it was strangly abondoned exept by a few people questing and a 60 or two. Screw the meeting, Next tiem something like this happens I am NOT going to miss it.

[Chavie]

*cries*

I really wish I could have gone.

[Abric]

Abric...we're going to need to concoct an explanation as to how Turen was still resurrected storywise. I'm sure that you creative writers can give a workaround beyond what was originally intended, right? After all, if the Alliance attacks failed, Turen wasn't going to stay dead, right?

Aha! So was already done. One must use what is avaliable, to make it both realistic and enjoyable.

Turen was split into three parts. The mind, the spirit, and the body. Respectively; Nadea, Jacan, and Pincus had access to these parts. The Alliance forces were able to wrest the mind and spirit of Turen from the warlocks... so all they needed was the vessel to contain him. Technically, they could of put him in a night elf... but any self respecting dwarf knows the best body is their body - so on to Fenris they must go.

So, the Alliance went... and tried to be sneaky in our own backyard. A portion of the Grim stood in their way, protecting their Irredeemble and the Steward. They saw that the other two forces fall (Fhenrir's fault - he didn't have a windfury totem)... so like any self respecting gambler; they knew it was all chips in.

Luckily, we had a Royal Flush to beat your Straight. Originally, they were only going to be five Horde per warlock, which I'm glad was changed due to the participation level. (5 verus 35? Pft, Alliance tactics.) Due to the participation of approximately 37 Horde members, they were split ten per warlock; with a patrol group of four wandering about. There were some not in the primary raid, as well as Zusteakai's group - so I can't really account for them... they were on their own orders from their own leaders.

At the time of your attack on Fenris, we had thirteen assigned to Fenris to defend Pincus. The rest were at the Sepulcher, waiting as was determined for the Horde members that failed to defend their warlock. About six or seven didn't listen to the orders, which was some awesome roleplaying. The members of the raid group didn't know what to do... split between listening to this Abric person; or doing what they thought was right and aid their fellows. Most listened, some didn't... it was roleplayed with, what I hope, was not only in raid chat. The feeling of the situation was awesome - just as people might expect from such a situation.

So, it was about twenty against a mass of Alliance, no holds bar. The fight broke out, people had their individual battles against individual foes... the smoke cleared, the Pincus stood tall. Alliance for the lose.

At this moment, when I had Pincus inform me that the Alliance was defeated and he still stood, I called all the Horde to Fenris. Heh, they swarmed out of Sepulcher. First, they went to all the dead bodies of the Alliance, ready to hack and slash... but I called them all to the hill where Turen's body was. Pincus got a bit of roleplaying in - then I called us all back to the Sepulcher... but Pincus must be the first to enter the broken gates. While we did not bring the body of the dwarf with us... who needs a hairy, smelly body? We got what we wanted... the scraps could be thrown to the defeated, bwhahahaha!

So, to the Sepulcher we went. An RP scene happened in the crypt with the warlocks and other select individuals; with the rest of the Horde topside... guarding and waiting. Nadea and Jacan were told to go to the Undercity, to wait in the throne room of the fallen King until the toll of ten bells - and they had to run there, none of that flying stuff. While they did that, I guess the Alliance caught them (when you were heading to the Undercity to boot!) The Grim? Well... we did what had to be done to the arpee; which was good stuff.

Overall, as I said - it was a success. Everything fit into place, even if things were supposed to "happen as they were supposed to." You can't expect that. Turen made guidelines that he shared with me, and I modified them with his consent. A perfect plan makes an imperfect mission; so I hope nobody gets offended or is offended by the way things worked. Did you have fun? Did you get a lot of roleplaying fuel? Did you get to see Nadea's demon horns of DOOM? Good, good.

I expect a number of roleplaying posts involved with this. I know Pincus is cooking one up, and I will be corresponding things with Nadea and Jacan to keep them in the know. Just because the event is over, doesn't mean the effects are. After all... they both had contact with a portion of a dwarf who may or may not have vital information concerning the Alliance... and with patience and attention to detail... the heart and spirit always betrays the body.

AbricOOC

[Nadea]

Did you get to see Nadea's demon horns of DOOM? Good, good.


bwahaha, doom, DOOM I say!

as for RP...yeah, Imma try to come up with something for good old TNG regarding my part of the event. Nadea's...well...not too happy right now =D

[Dhurandal]

My only criticism is very minor. When men fell, they fell. The group pressed on. At the time of the first attack on the island, half of the raid were still dead and ghosting back to their corpses. This left me in a difficult position of either moving with the masses and leaving the dead, or staying to revive the dead and lose pace with the army. I tried at one point to revive fallen commrades but ended up alone and was swiftly ganked by a romaing level 60 as I was unsupported. I don't know what the protocol is for large battles, but if it is considered usual to leave the dead and move on, we needed to have communicated that as a stategy - because I can tell you I was getting res requests left and right. And if we are moving on and leaving the dead in these occaisions, it would be beneficial to wait for them to catch up and meet with us before engaging enemies, no? But as I said, minor criticism and questions about protocol more than anything here.


That was my fault. I think I was the most vocal person about leaving the dead behind. I said once "Press on and we'll resurrect them on the way back." Of course, with there being people on foot and there people not moving along with the group...there were bound to be fatalities to the Horde going where we were.

We were zerging. That means the Horde will come to reinforce the position to aid their allies. The Horde has the advantage in Tirisfal because they have a closer graveyard and are more likely to have random reinforcements. We Alliance would get random reinforcements here and there from people who knew about the event...not from people that just happened to be coming by.

If we were going to do it, it was supposed to be a surgical strike. Quick, fast...efficient. At least, from my point of view to tactically make the operation a success. We had them reeling and the reason the Alliance failed to get that last Warlock was poor communication. Remember when we were going to that last point and we were waiting in the lake? They had Horde swimming behind us to reach the last area. We should've turned around, taken them out to prevent being flanked and then charged the keep.

While waiting for stragglers and those that resurrected, it gave the Horde plenty of time to "reinforce" the position with guardians from the other attack points. We lost the element of surprise, the possibility of greater numbers...and then wiped. It might've been different if we knew to stay behind and res, but we didn't get clear orders on that. Next time, we'll try to organize this better.

In hindsight, the wait while the Horde reinforced the keep made things better for me overall since I don't feel so bad about the zerg now since the Alliance did wipe. That was a massive and grand battle there. Ah. Memories.

[Lowannis]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e111/Ylisaxa/OpL715.jpg


Reminds me of the Alcaz Island event a little...

[Dhurandal]

I wish I could've been in that picture, but I think at the time I was running around on patrol for those Horde spies. Well, not really spies since they obviously weren't roleplayers. Still, that's what was made of them to be.

[Aquizit]

Yeh, that must've been taken when I was calling the about face, otherwise I'd be standing next to Borgas.

Speaking of Borgas, he's my right hand usually.. he always reminds me about things I don't think of, such as "walkers" and the like, and usually takes care of them for me. A superb assistant, to be sure, thanks Borgas.

[Tzitzimime]

I feel setup and used by both sides.

People will die.
<gently stroking a vaguely orcish looking voodoo doll>

-Tzitz the Terrible

[Mortica]

just to explain why I edited a few posts a couple days after the fact:

I haven't seen any RP stories written about this event yet, so in order to show that RP-PVP is viable, I'm linking to this thread. I think the misunderstandings got ironed out, so hopefully no one will take it personally (plus I left them in as "quoted" in some of the posts, if you really want to know what was removed it's still there if you look hard).

[Abric]

Waiting until the weekend myself, so I can sit down and write something up without looking at the clock.

I have seen some stories... but they are all in guild forums and the like. I'd recommend folk put them here; so the participants can read.

DOOM!

[turen]

I'm waiting till I make sure it can be agreed where the RP goes with this, can't have contradicting stories!

[Pincus]

I have seen some stories... but they are all in guild forums and the like. I'd recommend folk put them here; so the participants can read.


I have a sneaking suspicion you are referring to me...

I'll post... Later... Muhahahaha!