Frostwolf Brotherhood going against the Grim?

[Brakogar]

((So.. instead of helping the Grim you went against them? Even though the delivery was to further the war effort?

Interesting.. I see ill portents in the tea leaves for Frostwolf and The Grim.

Other than these .. people going against the grain.. how did the event go?

I need info! I couldn't be there. *cry*))

OOC:

The above is a quote from a comment made by Snowfeather in this Official TN forum thread:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-twistingnether&t=79127&p=1&tmp=1#post79127

What exactly happened here, was this some kind of event?

Why was Lovely in the custody of The Grim and why did Zusteakai and Sojii have to kill her?

I am mostly concerned about Snowfeather's comment on "I see ill portents in the tea leaves for Frostwolf and The Grim."

When I was Guild Leader I always sought to maintain good relations with the Grim and although Brothergrim & Zusteakai have the freedom to take the brotherhood in the direction they see fit, this worries me.

Since I left my only means of communication with the Brotherhood have been through our forums but they have been almost dead for over a week and I dont know what the heck is going on? :?

[Alucian]

AFAIK, they intended to interfere with the ultimate showdown with The Grim's storyline concerning Lovely. They intended to kill Lovely rather than let the Alliance take a shot at saving her. Apparently, Kalu beat them to the punch.

[Snowfeather]

((Yes, it was an event from the Immortalis storyline on Nether Legends as well as The Grim boards. Lovely was 'kidnapped' by Clys and Danlily (and Kitsu) and was.. going to be a lab rat of sorts for the RAS as well as a few other unsavory 'girl' things.

I have NO idea what is going on myself. Only what I am reading on the boards. Snowfeather is dead so I am not privy to guildchat and I am playing an alt until she is alive - if that happens.

However, Clys made it very clear she was delivering Lovely to the RAS for study to further the war efforts against the Alliance. Also, I am hearing the Zusteakai accused several members of the Grim as traitors for harboring her.

I was not in on this plot line in the slightest. I only know OOC things from reading their stories and have no input whatsoever as to what is going on with it or even involved with it at all. Since Snowfeather has been dead for a.. what seems like a week.. she has no clue either. Though she is sharing space in Daala's mind, that subject has not been discussed.

Truth be told, I am as clueless as you are. However, if your guild got in the way of stopping the further testing of the RAS.. I will not interact with them on friendly terms IF:

1. I get my body back someday

2. I find out that you all did that from the guild - and I think that's a likelihood of 100%.

So.. you reap what you sow. If the Brotherhood went against us and killed Lovely for their own gain, it's "on" as far as Snow is concerned. She has fealty to The Grim over any other... regardless of circumstance.

Yeah.. not good.. because she has a big mouth.. big fat tauren mouth.. muha. ))

[Snowfeather]

((No offense.. no.. take offense.. I don't care. After reading what Zusteakai just put up on that thread for their reasoning of killing Lovely.. is .. well.. reason-LESS.

Honestly, if you guys want to go against us.. that's fine. Just be willing to deal with the consequences. We treat our members one way, outsiders completely another. In other words, don't ever speak to me in game again.. for your own sake.. it won't be pretty. Groups.. forget it. Events.. no longer supported - BY Me. I won't be hyperlinking them for the other Grims on our site neither since .. it's my site.

The Nether Council just screwed over the Grim and it looks like they are enjoying it. Eat your cake. No big. Really. So much for the Council.. wish you the best of luck. No skin off my nose. Less work for me, really.. thanks for making my job easier. :)

Frostwolf, so far as I am concerned - and Typhoon as well - are now enemies of the Horde and will be treated as such by me. Then again, Enheilras could just be talking out his .. hole again. We'll see. Frostwolf, for sure, is an enemy.

Now, I was not involved in this event at all. I do hope that you Frostwolf and Typhoon types at least had the courtesy to say "we are going to screw up your plotline, I hope you are ready for it".. but somehow I doubt that happened. It's amazing how fast one person's actions can completely erase the amount of work that goes into planning these large scale events.

Perhaps Clys and Lily will have more insight.. for all I know this doesn't bother them in the slightest.

Don't be surprised if large scaled events die because of this behavior. It is very difficult .. like planting a garden.. sowing the seeds, watering.. pruning.. begin to see it blossom and then have some neighbor come over drunk and trample your field.. then laugh and burp in your face and walk off. Course, you probably don't see it that way.. how quickly you forget how bad your event went in Ashenvale, Zusteakai.

Next time, you won't be invited to do a damn thing if I am involved. It's called respect for the hard work people put into things to be washed away by someone looking to stake a claim on someone else's hard work. Then to go off and post some half cocked reason is .. well.. a bit of a slap in the face of all the hard work those two and many others.. LOVELY and the Alliance put in.

Do be sure to invite me to your next event, Zusteakai and the rest of you lot who decided to .. spit on The Grim. I'd like to show you what mutual respect is all about.

I'm going to bed. I am glad, for the sake of my sanity I did not witness this crap personally.))

[Belblue]

Enemies even to people who weren't even there? Or even didn't read the RP or know about the event?

It's a bit hasty to judge a whole guild on just by less than a handful of members. It's like calling a whole guild ninja-looters just because one person did it, on accident or not.

[Brakogar]

OOC:

Snowfeather, like you I was not present during the event. I have only just learned about this after the fact and through the posts made on the forums.

Aparently Zusteakai and Sojii felt that it was their duty to save Lovely as experimentation by the RAS was too much of a foul end for any sentient being to suffer, so they attempted to mount a rescue or kill her on the spot if things went bad in order to end her suffering. (Lovely seems fine by Zusteakai's actions and considers it part of the RP as tehy later tried to scort her back to teh Alliance). Basicaly (RP wise) they tried to do what is honorable, they considered such experimentaions by the RAS to be against the Warchief's teachings and they took action.

It was an attempt for them to have some dynamic Roleplaying and for that I praise them.

Judging from posts made by other Grim members, they do not seem to be as offended as you, they consider Zusteakai's actions as part of the RP flow based on the RP replies but you have taken it as a personal attack like if we were griefing the event in the same manner that Infamous did some weeks ago.

You also claim that the Nether Council has screwed over the Grim but I do not understand how since only Typhoon and Frostwolf Brotherhood appears to be involbed.

I do not understand your anger nor why you have taken such personal OOC offense at this incident but then again I do not have all the details of what happened.

I should take offence at how you have marginalised my entire Guild as PvP kiddy style Griefers and threatened to boycott and dirupt our events but I have a cool mind and will wait until more information comes my way before I take a stand.

[Rudrah]

There's that old quote, also present on the official WoW site in the RP section, that should be remembered in this case:

"In-character actions should [only] yield in-character consequences."

Yes, I ackowledge what you had planned regarding lovely has just been thrown by the window... but still, your story just branched out in another direction. I have been for a few years a D&D Dungeon Master, and nothing happened more often than my players doing something totally unexpected for which I had no prepared content to show them... but that's the beauty of the game! The freedom of expression! Then I just improvised on the spot using an instant melting pot of ideas, and once the session was over I just took a bit of time to re-orient the storyline based on the choice of my players.

As the "Dungeon Masters" of this event, you, Snowfeather, with Clys, Lily and Lovely, you all have the fun task of creating a new future for this beautiful, blossoming story. Nothing has been destroyed, things merely took another course of action that, like Brakogar explained, can perfectly be explained using the in-character personnalities of players involved. Just go on from there, I'm sure you can reach new heights with this little challenge, and this is what Roleplay is about.

[Danyxandra]

I was warned by Zusteakai, as well as others from my own guild that they might kill Lovely on sight. My pat answer to all of them....If your character feels they must do so that's okay, as long as your character can handle reaping what you've sown. Why their entire guilds? It's storyline. OOCly I don't have any problems. It's the way Zusteakai wanted ICly to take his guild. ICly, I'm going with the storyline. But....they must realize now, any storylines coming off this now will put them as enemies and they will not be welcomed to other events and functions as they are now enemeies. In-character, they must reap what they've sown.

We fully expected griefers too try to take her out, along with other contingencies, and planned on going with the flow of the storyline. Because Typhoon and Frostwolf betrayed the intent of these Grims that had a promise to fulfill to the RAS, then that is how the storyline will continue. Those two guilds are enemies and traitors now to the will of the Dark Lady and will never get assistance from Danlily, Clys, or their supporters. If the Nether Council backed up the action taken yesterday, than this plot line will also hold the Nether Council blame and enemies of the Horde for killing and then rescuing the Alliance prisoner.

The only thing we were not expecting and threw the event out of serious whack was that all those people that had promised on Alliance side to rescue her didn't show. Yes, there were I think 5 people, but we were under the impression that there would be a much, much larger group to meet us. Truth betold, the plan was Lovely would bubble upon exiting the portal and run straight into the arms of the alliance raiding party and the battle would ensue. There was no alliance raiding party, only the 5 or so brave souls that showed and huge, huge kudos to them and Lovely for standing up to more than an entire horde raiding party present.

[Mortica]

(( OOC::

This is what I posted on the TN boards about the event:

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Q u o t e:
{{Hey! Where are all the Horde good guys at? How come it's the Grim and the Crimson watch who get all the publicity, huh? What say those of us loyal to Thrall do something about this, and upstage the servants of Sylvanas, or even, apparently, those of the Lich King ... *shiver* }}
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Well...before reading this set of stories I had been trying to figure out a way to get Mortica in on the kidnapped Lovely storyline. However, she wouldn't condone the treatment of the paladin if she knew what was really going on.

Kill her, sure.

Torture, humiliate, or run experiments on, eh..not really her thing. She'd probably look the other way but would not assist unless ordered to do so by her Forsaken commander.

Using Lovely's love against her? Mortica would have to intervene if she knew that part.

Unfortunately, the game mechanics as they are Mort's only recourse would be to kill Lovely..which would kinda ruin the event..so..I
think Mort's gonna have to sit this one out.

I *could* be misinformed into helping (alliance killing hordlings in Silverpine!), but we'll have to see how it goes.


Guess that was a bit prophetic :(

I finally got moved into my new place Friday, then had to work all day Saturday. By the time I was able to clear an area for my desk and set my computer up (had to go buy a 50' ethernet cable to connect to my roommates router) it was about 1/2 hour after the event was planned to start. My roommate and friends wanted to celebrate, so I ended up not logging in at all.


My major concern here is that Zusteakai and/or whoever the rogue was warned Clys and Danlily and got their "ok" on doing what he did. At least he warned them..Danlily didn't specify whether they had indicated that it was "ok" with them or not.

As Snowfeather said, a LOT of planning went into this event on both sides of the fence (even if it sounds like the alliance didn't showup on time). If the game mechanics were such that the Horde defenders would be able to stop another Horde, then I wouldn't care if he had warned the planners or not.

Taking advantage of game mechanics is bad form as far as I'm concerned. I woke up this morning and was all excited due to anticipation to see what had transpired during the event. Learning that a couple of Horde members killed the event (and not just random PVPers..but actual RPers) was kind of saddening.

I hope this doesn't ruin the chances of more RP-based PVP.

RP-ing that the Frostwolf Brotherhood and The Grim are now enemies is fine, but what is that actually going to do? You can't kill each other, and refusing to aid/group with each other only hurts your PVE aspects of the game.

[Danyxandra]

My major concern here is that Zusteakai and/or whoever the rogue was warned Clys and Danlily and got their "ok" on doing what he did. At least he warned them..Danlily didn't specify whether they had indicated that it was "ok" with them or not.

As Snowfeather said, a LOT of planning went into this event on both sides of the fence (even if it sounds like the alliance didn't showup on time). If the game mechanics were such that the Horde defenders would be able to stop another Horde, then I wouldn't care if he had warned the planners or not.

Taking advantage of game mechanics is bad form as far as I'm concerned. I woke up this morning and was all excited due to anticipation to see what had transpired during the event. Learning that a couple of Horde members killed the event (and not just random PVPers..but actual RPers) was kind of saddening.

I hope this doesn't ruin the chances of more RP-based PVP.

RP-ing that the Frostwolf Brotherhood and The Grim are now enemies is fine, but what is that actually going to do? You can't kill each other, and refusing to aid/group with each other only hurts your PVE aspects of the game.

They didn't get my blessing, but they did warn me of the possibility of their intentions. Since we were forced to accept any and all outcome, even perhaps one of our own Grims killing Lovely before we could get the even rolling, we had to have our minds set for any of those occurances. The fact that the Frostwolves took up that course, it does ruin chances of more RP based PVP with them by our sides. It does ruin our PVE ability to join with them on raids and dungeon crawls. But it was their choice. Their leader decided to take this course, take the guild in this direction, and there's nothing The Grim's can do about it. What Frostwolf has sown, they must now reap...so my advice, is people must be careful in deciding the full ramifications of what their actions will cause when they drop that pebble into the pool of our character's lives.

[Snowfeather]

"In-character actions should [only] yield in-character consequences."



That is exactly what Snowfeather will do, and that is all Snowfeather will do. I have not said anything contrary to that.

Snowfeather is loyal to The Grim to a FAULT. It is her character. I do not harbor feelings of ill-will towards the Brotherhood or Typhoon OOC. Not in the slightest.

Do I think twists in a plot are great? Absolutely. I hate scripted roleplay. I refuse to do scripted roleplay. I understand there are some cases where speeches need to be given and pre-planning is definitely involved - including with your enemies, etc., but overall - the ending should be dynamic. It sounds like that was what happened last night. I wasn't even there. I couldn't have been there... Snowfeather is dead.

I have not marginalized anyone! My character will react to them as they acted. They are the ones who went against my guildmates. They were the ones who decided, above all else, to kill Lovely instead of allowing The Grim to deliver her body to the RAS. There is no other way to see those actions as anything less than treasonous...is there? Especially after The Grim were called traitors?

The Nether Council DID go against us in Snowfeather's eyes. Two guilds involved in the council.. out of .. 5? That's a pretty good number in my book.

As I stated, I hope that someone at least told the organizers they were going to do it. Lily stated they did. I stated last night I did not know. Now I do. I commend them for approaching them about it. I do not know about Typhoon, and I don't really care. My interaction IC with them is nil as it is.

Not once have I said anything about OOC hatred or anger. It doesn't exist. You may have taken what I have said as OOC anger.. but I promise you, it's not the case. I guess I can see where you would when I say don't speak to me, try to group, invite to events, etc - because I am in character all the time. I don't go out of character to run an instance or anything else. I don't even go in our guild's ooc channel because I can't stand being ooc in the game. However, if I am approached in /t oocly, I will speak to anyone.. except Infamous. :)

I am glad the event happened. I am disappointed the Alliance fumbled a bit on their end. I couldn't imagine how frustrating it was for all of the Horde gathered to be ready to fight and have nobody to poke and make bleed.

I am not upset at ALL OOC about this. I repeat.. I am not offended, irritated, bitter, resentful, vengeful or any other negative emotion.. about this event or what the Brotherhood and Typhoon did. I am however, getting the word out to them that their actions will indeed have consequences - as they should.

In fact, it already has. The Grim, not me, have decided to place those two organizations on the Marked for Death list as traitors. IN CHARACTER.

I hope I cleared that up.

[Danyxandra]

*hugs Snowie*

(( It could have been a griefer that had killed Lovely. That was our biggest fear. It could have been a Grim, which might have cause IC character conflict within the guild which is something I do not like to RP as I like my characters to be one-for-all in a guild. I've seen too many in-guild IC conflicts erupt into ooc drama. I'm glad it was neither and that it was at least done in a roleplayed way by a second party guild. Regardless of Alliance not showing up in the numbers that had been reported to be promsised, I'm going to take this event as a success.

Great Game, guys!))

[Danyxandra]

((I distinctly recall your character saying that Thrall is the horde, and that those following the dark lady were traitorous, calling the Dark Lady traitorous, and that follows that all those that honor her are also traitors. The undead, traitors. Your character verbally spat at the RAS and what it stands for, it's methods and it's intentions. Those there to march Lovely to be given to the RAS are followers of the organization that your character called traitorous to Thrall. You then laid claim to killing Lovely. Danlily could not see a tag saying "Typhoon" magically floating over the rogues head, so it is only one plus one equals to her reasoning that Zusteakai, the one that claimed the death, the one that repeatedly spammed me with duel requests, must have been the mastermind behind the assassination. No backing out now. What's been done is done, and Frostwolf are now on opposite side of the fence from the guild, The Grim, that honor the Dark Lady, whose very guild leader is undead and working also with the RAS in The King of Rats story.))

[Snowfeather]

((Zusteakai, you can justify this anyway you want to.

It is moot as far as any further IC stuff is concerned. You will be treated very differently by my character from this point on.

How would The Grim know about what you've been doing lately anyway? Your actions, regardless of your justifications, were not friendly - ON ANY LEVEL - last night.

Think about your actions before you make them. If you want to go to war against another Horde guild, do it. Don't make apologies for it. Don't make exceptions either. You did something to increase the background of your guild, character, now be able to live with your decision.

There is no discrimination IC from Snowfeather. The Frostwolf Brotherhood and Typhoon are enemies to her. There is no way you can change that now.

I do take it as a slap in the face, Zusteakai. IC wise, I do.. you're damn right.))

[clys]

(( Well, from the person who planned this event, namely ME, let me state for the record that nothing was ruined. I expected that things would take some unexpected turns. I was mostly afraid that some random horde non-rp'er would come along and grief the event by killing Lovely before I was ready.

That is why I had her hide in the instance, so no one, not Alliance, nor Horde, could touch her until the appointed time.

I had hoped there would actually BE Alliance to resist us, and that she could 'escape' during the battle. It was always part of the plan that she would escape, because that is what SHE wanted for her character. Everything that has happened to Lovely (by me) has been run past her player, and approved. I will not metagame, ever.

But, there were no Alliance, so I had her come out, figuring that we'd never make it to UC with her alive. And in fact she was dead within seconds.

The story continues, no problem. See my last post in The Immortalis thread for Clys' take on it. It's all part of her plan.

The traitors have been revealed.

Thanks again to EVERYONE who showed up for this. The story is affecting folks on both sides of the faction aisle, and that's a very good thing.

RP forever!

))

[Rudrah]

I am a fluffy happy kitten now, Snow, since this is all cleared up. I mistook that for OOC animosity, my mistake. :D

*takes a hike to the Fluffy Lavender Kittens' Land*

[Belblue]

O.o Who's the new allies?

[Danyxandra]

((Perhaps, our causes are very much in line after all. I think I heard Clys mention soemthing of a "bug" war. ;) But then, I'm just wondering plot lines.)) ((Gonna have to play it where the ball landed on the green if you want to play.))

[Belblue]

((You'll see. ...........and So will I!





Mwahhahahahahaha))

... I'm worried.

[Rudrah]

They don't look too sane, those trolls... maybe they didn't eat their veggies. :roll:

[Belblue]

I like your avatar.

Thanks. Guu is so awesome... she ate her parents and they live in her stomach and it's a whole nother fantasy world in there. So crazy, but that's how the anime is.

[Alucian]

((Personaly, I wish I could have attended, but work kept me from it...bah. However, I think that, as far as the Swordwaltzers go, the plan was never to just be hanging out outside of SFK...especially if the support we were supposed to have wasn't there. When we learned that she was being taken from SFK to UC, the first idea we had was "where can we ambush them?"

I had a really great idea too...had to do with pincer attacks...I'll have to save that one for later. :3

In any case...the RP reached a satisfactory end. Thanks for letting us join in the fun, and I personally hope we can do this again. Y'know...after I get a few more levels and am not jumping at every red name I see. ^_^; ))

[Fallacy]

Please, do not consider any part of the Nether Council responsible for the actions of their respective individual guilds. We are here to support each other, and will not be involved in inter-guild politics. The Council is not meant to take sides, and never will.

In retrospect, I see the death of Lovely as a waste of oppurtunity, as any death is. Her life would have been useful as a warning to the Alliance, even if it were to be ended in the Undercity not long after. My purpose is to deliver a message to the whole of Azeroth, and, with this, another chance was lost.

Oh well, that just means more planning on my part. Politics is so useless...

((It was fun, until it turned into a DK fest by attacking Southshore. After three of them and losing a rank (which was low to begin with), I decided to take my leave. I was hoping for more resistance from the Alliance. Seeing as I didn't get a single HK, it was barely anything at all, so that was disappointing. IC, however, Fal was more distressed that he didn't get to have one final word with Lovely...))

[Snowfeather]

((Fallacy, I understand what you are saying. But for me to be involved with the Council anymore would be about as logical as having Iran in the UN.. OH yeah.. they are... they shouldn't be.. but they are.

That is how I look at the Frostwolf Brotherhood, Enheilras and any others who condoned this behavior last night.

I will not sit in the same room while there is a dagger pointed at me under the table. Caesar did that.. look what it got him. What is my in character justification for doing so?))

[Fallacy]

((Even though Zusteakai's intentions weren't hostile towards the Grim? He believed it to be for the best of the Horde, though I see how the Roman senators thought the same when they killed Caesar...

Nonetheless, I hope that it won't degenerate into killing, as it should be properly discussed beforehand IC. Everyone believes they are in the right, and the ignorant hostilities that will cause should be put to rest before it can, and I'll try to prevent that.

Besides, we don't want to start acting like the Alliance now, do we?))

[Snowfeather]

((Weren't hostile towards the Grim? Um.. sorry.. calling the Grim traitors is hostile. I guess I am missing something there.

Look, I'm talking from my IC actions. I by no means speak for the guild. I will not be involved anymore IC. There is no reason for me to be.

It's that simple. I don't believe I am right. I already stated IC I was loyal to the Grim to a fault. That's not right.. it's wrong.

I only represent myself. I will not deal with them anymore from an IC situation.))

[Ayabba]

((

This is all IC, and I believe that amendments can be made, but it will be much more difficult for The Grim to trust its allies from here on in.

OOC, I love what was done. This has provided an excellent stage for the Insular and Extremist viewpoint of The Grim. If we always got our way, this would be pretty boring. We don't godmode, we can lose, and in fact that is what makes this all so interesting.

I believe snowfeather is the only member of The Grim to have extended the brand to the Nether Council, but as an irreddeemable, and the mistress of our guild halls and records, her brand does carry considerable weight.

She is kinda dead right now though. *glares*

:)

))

[Alucian]

Besides, we don't want to start acting like the Alliance now, do we?))

(( /sadface ))

[Snowfeather]

She logged on though... Didn't know dead cows could do that... :P ;) XD))

Yes, I logged on last night because we attempted to get my body back. Had a great way to do it too..

However, I was soon overcome with drama in game and in teamspeak plus bombarded by /tells that I left.

Haven't decided if I'm going to try it again. May just stick with my alt and pseudo-manage the guildsite.

[Lovely]

((How in the heck have I missed this thread?!?!

Ok, I pretty much thought from the start I would die. I was wearing only a dress, no armor, and am a Paladin named Lovely in the midst of a pretty big storyline. What person wouldn't want to kill me? hehe.

Granted, I went down alot sooner than I thought I would, but my plan all along was to try to escape, and if that didn't work I was going to die, and use the gift of the Spirit Healer to revive myself.

I respecced Lovely Saturday to coincide with this. She was straight retribution, but I changed her over to full holy, after writing my little paragraph about the light "cleansing" her. This was my IWIN button for the event. The light saw her as a soul worthy of help, and helped her, regardless of what the horde did.

I can only assume Kalu killed me because it was easy or fun. I do know after I revived, Zusteaki and his allies escorted me to the edge of Silverpine to safety. I even tried to stop Alliance from killing him.

Does Lovely think bad of Zusteaki? Heck no. In her mind, he helped to rescue her from the Grim moreso than her own guild. She might even realize that he had planned to kill her...I'm not sure.

What I do know is that even though some people are calling this event a failure, I would have to disagree. Aside from character development for me and Kittsu, and Clys and Danlily, we have an interfaction conflict brewing which could possibly break the world server again. The plotlines that can stem from this event are inconceivable in their number.

I don't look upon this as a failure, I look upon it as a birth for some heavy duty RP.

I love you all, and I thank you for taking part in this, whether you be Horde or Alliance.

/salute RP

[Danyxandra]

((Ya know, Clys and I don't see it as a failure either but a real success. It's sad that the Alliance didn't show up in the numbers we expected and I hurt for Lovely over her guild not attending, but that aside, I'm actually happy about the Typhoon/Frostwolf Brotherhood development, out of character that is. In character, Danlily is livid, of course, but the player behind her, I'm gleefully happy with it. Grims are temporarily at odds with Frostwolf. We are crying to Typhoon about their lone gunman. Both those guilds are roleplaying their responses. The Grim's can make up with them or stay at war with them depending on how it is all roleplayed and developed. This whole thing and the aftermath continues to be RPed out I love it. I hope to continue with our cross faction RP and am enjoying both sides, Horde and Alliance people who are stepping up to RP, and using any of this as a springboard to their own storylines.

If what Clys and Lovely and I did sparked any fire into the RP on this server, we are damn happy for it....and I also hope it shows that when a kink gets thrown in the works, we can honorably go with the flow, we don't metagame or predetermine any outcomes. Our stories are not written with endings. They merely flow with the life of the characters and are directly influenced by those RPer's characters that enter into their lives.))

[Danyxandra]

((One more thing...and Lovely can attest to this...when we RP with people, we always check with them before we do something or post a story to see if it's okay with them. We never assume their character would do this or that, we never put words in their mouths. We have the highest respect for you, the player, and what you want for your character. We do not metagame. We do not godmote. We will never put your character where you don't want it to be, and we will never RP something in such a way that you are forced into a situation where you can't get out of it or where you can't respond with a counter to that action, situation, or what have you. We expect the same in return, of course. But that's just the way we RP. You love your characters as much as we love ours. We honor that in RP))

[Tarlithion]

(( But Snowfeather, you have to come back! Who will do the Moonkin boogie!? Who!?

*ahem* Anyway, the most consistant complaint I heard about the event was people whining that they didn't agree with the story. I've discussed that with a lot of people, and come to understand they're being pansies about it. If you're offended by the subject matter, that's fine, but that is no justifiable reason to not come to Lovely's defense. Last time I checked, the MPAA gave Real Life an NC-17 rating for Graphic Violence, extreme profanity and explicit sex, but that doesn't stop people from continuing to exist, does it?

Anyway, I'm certain the Blades will continue to lend an arm to further their war against the Crimson Watch, and a few of our personal vendettas against The Grim.

That being said, if you're 40 or under, I'll /wave before I hit you with an Aimed Shot :D ))

[Danyxandra]

If you're offended by the subject matter, that's fine, but that is no justifiable reason to not come to Lovely's defense. ))

That's kind of like their friend gets kidnapped by a serial rapist and they don't go rescue her because they don't agree with the way the rapist lives his life. ))

[Tarlithion]

(( Lovely was in Tears of Elune, not the Blades. Next to Swordwaltzers, we were the most represented alliance guild there--and we brought all the noise we had. Too bad nobody brought the Funk. ))

[Danyxandra]

...

Or, when you tamper with a bird's nest, and the mother decides to kill them off.

*nods* like when you tamper with the bird's nest and the mother abandons them"

Was glad to see Blades and Swordwaltzers there. :D

[Kurohane]

((What few of us Swordwaltzers that could come. ^^() Before Lovely joined us, our highest level member was 33... 34? Something like that. Beyond that, of those who were actually above level 25, only two of us could come 'cause of RL. But! Galidon and I snagged a higher level friend and a priest from Keepers of Stromgaurde along the way, and made the best show of it we could. :P Oh yes...and when you guys found Galidon and I shadow-melded on the side of the road? I think my quote in party chat after you all passed was "I lagged, and then was dead." Hehe. We weren't expecting an army to march FROM Undercity. Ah well. Much love, again, to the Blades!))

[Maledictus]

Generally speaking, I don't mind if others want to add to an event I'm hosting by bringing their own agenda on board. However, its good policy to tell -and work with- the originator well ahead of time, so that plans and contingencies can be made.

If an event has been planned for weeks, its discouraging for someone to show up and surprise the planners with an unwelcome interruption. Alot of the hard feelings can be eliminated by respecting the event creator enough to notify them well ahead of time, and hopefully working with them to make it a more intriguing event.

For example, if during the first phase of the King of Rats event some Horde member showed up and said, "Well, look at the king. He's an npc! You can't hurt him. He's fine, see? He's all better. I just cured him. No problem. Lets go home," you can imagine how irritating it would be to all involved.

Once again, communication is key. Respect the event organizer, expect to be treated the same way.

[clys]

Ah, Maledictus, you are always the voice of reason. *hug*