Argent Dawn, Brotherhood of the Light and Scarlet Crusade?

[Grisch]

Ok, so this bunch are all happily...er fairly happily standing around Lights Hope Chappel. Argent Dawn seem to be ok with the Scarlet Crusade guy hanging around, in fact you even get tokens for the quarter master 'token of the crusade' or something.

What's the relationship between these factions? They seem to hate each other and not hate each other? Just weird.

[Hifazat]

Ignore what i said earlier, seems i don't pay attention to guild chat enough.

The leader of the Scarlet Crusade, the Grand Crusader, is commonly known to be the Paladin Saiden Dathrohan, but is in actuality the Dreadlord Balnazzar. So the Scarlet Crusade is actually being led by a major agent of the Burning Legion, fighting against their former puppet the Lich King, the Forsaken and the Human forces. So he weakens all major forces and brings chaos into the world of Azeroth once more.

Recently, with Kel'Thuzad's new assault on Azeroth and the death of Balnazzar, the Scarlet Crusade now is in a reluctant alliance with the Argent Dawn, dedicated to fighting back the new horrors of the Scourge in Naxxramas.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Scarlet_Crusade

[Maegannon]

You shoulda seen Mae's reaction to it.

"... You have got to be kidding me. You want me to fight for you, AND you want me to Ally with the crusade?..."

*Mae sighs*


Actualy, it'll be up in a little while (after dinner that is!) for you to read ;p

[Grisch]

Ok, where do they GET all this info from? The novels?

[Fallacy]

The Brotherhood is the new order Tirion Fordring's set up.

So, apparently, some of the remaining Crusaders learned their lesson.

[Dhurandal]

As someone speculated, one might guess that the Scarlet Crusade that has joined together with the Argent Dawn is a shadow of its former self. If you decide to label the events of the Scourge Invasion as occuring after you've done all of the instances, the Scarlet Crusade has been severely crippled by the death of its numerous fanatical and charismatic leaders.

If the remainder didn't disband outright, they'd have to follow a different banner which might take a more moderate approach to their methodology. Of course, if you'd rather the Scarlet Crusade was still led by a Dreadlord, then simply think of it as a conflict of interest between the Scourge and Balnazzar's machinations.

[EnheilRas]

Balnazzar (Varimathras' Brother) still has his main objective --His last orders given by Kil'jaeden -- Destroy Ner'zhul. It was all the Eredar's plan to use ner'zhul to bring about the weakening of the Eastern Kingdoms, then disposed of. It was the Dreadlords whom Kil'jaeden used as Ner'zhul's jailors. They were enforced to the task of ensuring Ner'zhul completed his pact, and then destroy him.

So it is that Balnazzar and Varimathras are still upholding their final commands of the Burning legion. Both of them are aching their way towards the final battle, just in separate ways. Balnazzar has taken over the Scarlet Crusade, and is using the Light as a method of destruction and purification, and searing all that he helped create in ash, as he built a huge army of humanity to die in the cause of the legion. Varimathras has been impressed with the duty of the Forsaken, which allows Varimathras to access the powers he helped sow into the earth to use against that which he helped reap.

Both the Crusade and the Forsaken are going to one goal. it's a race to them, to gain the favor of Kil'jaeden. Only he Argent Dawn's motivations are truly noble.

[Keraph]

Now, I'm not saying that the Forsaken's goals are noble by any stretch of the imagination, but remember that our goals and the goals of Varimathras are separate, and any plots involving the Burning Legion are unknown to at least the majority of the Forsaken populace. I am not suprised that Varimathras is not completely loyal to the Lady, especially considering the means by which he was....enlisted...into our service, but his plans are not our own. Global genocide yes, returning to service under the demons that first caused our undeth, no.

[Karkarov]

As usual Enheilras is putting words in everyones mouth. I seriously doubt Sylvanas or even a small percentage of the horde want to be burning legion lackies, and I suspect the vast majority of the scarlet crusade doesnt even know thier boss is a demon. And by the way based on in game information Balnazzar "rp wise" is alive. If you sit in the main room the two commanders one of the "brotherhood of light" and the other of the scarlet crusade have a long drawn out talk and mention him many times if not by name. They also discuss ashbringer among other things.

[Keraph]

Yeah, that conversation is very cool, and reveals some info. I love how the commander of the Brotherhood completely shoots down the commander of the Scarlets XD

[EnheilRas]

I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. The Forsaken's Goal is to destoy the Lich King. It just happens to be the Dreadlords' last Command too. Varimathras is using the Forsaken to this extent to fulfill his master's wish. Balnazzar is using the Scarlet Crusade for the same.

I'm sure Sylvanas and the other Forsaken do not know--or care--that Varimathras is still serving Kil'jaeden by Serving the forsaken, but she's on a quest to kill Arthas. She doesn't care about the Lich King or ner'zhul at all. The fact that they are now the same being just makes things coincidentally pleasent. Had Arthas never assumed the sentince of Ner'zhul, sh still wouldn't give two-shits bout the Lich King. She only wants Arthas dead.

The Forsaken are ultimately serving themselves in destroying the Scourge. They are being driven by Sylvanas' thirst for vengence and unholy retribution. Most don't care about liberting Silvermoon from Kel'thuzad, as Sylvanas desire. Most don't care about charging he Icecrown of Northrend, as Sylvanas wants.

One cannot deny as a "slave" of Syllvanas, Varimathras has considerable political and military power in the Lordaeron buraucracy.