Were war declared?

[Malebrignon]

Came up in another topic. It's pretty simple. We all (most) know the existing lore indicates we are in a cease-fire / truce arrangement. At least at the very start of a new server.

Some folks think we need our NPC leaders to declare war before we can truly BE at war. Others think we should be able to declare war ourselves since our racial leaders are not really IC participants of the server.

I'm not asking about that at all. I'm asking if your CHARACTER believes we are still at war.

[Keraph]

Tough call. Infection doesn't care whether there is an official war, we just want to see the Alliance destroyed completely, not a single innocent child or whatever left alive. Which does that count as?

[Pincus]

Of course there's a cease-fire. Politically, that's the way it should be. It allows the real work to be done under the pretenses of "those renegades" and "unofficial militias" with our leaders claiming "we'll try them when we (get around to) capturing those rogue elements".

Gives me the freedom to go around trying to slaughter everyone and watch Druid the Bear cry as I try not to prevent forest fires in Moonglade.

In short, there's no "official" state of war, but our leaders know what is going on, and is turning a blind eye to it all.

[Dhurandal]

I voted no. The question isn't an easy one to consider. Practically all of the nations on both sides aren't democracies. There are monarchies and tribal leaders who achieved through charisma, might, and bloodline. They rule by decree moreso than a senate vote that they can veto. Whilst there are factions that do wish to wage war, they can be declared as terrorist or rogue groups that aren't affiliated with the national body in the diplomatic world sphere to limit the damage it can have between foreign relations.

Of course, whether those 'rogue' groups are subversively supported by the government is always a question that reflects itself in our modern world.

I would think if an Orc clan wanted to wage war with the humans, they'd have to overthrow Thrall to get command of the Horde...something not allowed by the game...yet it would also weaken the Horde as a whole because it could lead to a Civil War.

Sylvanus probably believes the Forsaken is at war with the Alliance, but a full frontal attack would risk damaging her relationship with the rest of the Horde races, so she works far more secretively...with ominous patience. Any faction of Forsaken who would risk her plans because of some immediate bloodlust would likely be gutted by Sylvanus herself, I believe.

As for the Alliance...look how they distance themselves from the Scarlet Crusade. Whilst you see Argent Dawn guildhouses in the major cities, you do not see a Scarlet Crusade recruiting guild. By distancing themselves from such an extreme faction, they can more easily keep the peace with Thrall by saying "it is them and not us. You cannot label the entire race by a few members." Jaina knew this in trusting Thrall and Thrall knew this in trusting Jaina.

[Zasu]

Hmmm, well, Zasu doesn't really -care- per se if we're at was or not.


Gardenia doesn't believe we're at war- then again, she still thinks she can speak common and is sure that the humans and dwarves are still her allies. So, yeah.

[Garbhan]

I said no. Garbhan knows there isn't a war, per se. However, that doesn't stop him from launching attacks and killing the Horde wherever there may be. The Ironforge Regiment was chartered to defend the Kings lands where the army could not, such as dealing with such Horde that obviously want to kill and slaughter the alliance.

Does this perpetuate the conflict?

Perhaps.

[Chingaso]

Gives me the freedom to go around trying to slaughter everyone and watch Druid the Bear cry as I try not to prevent forest fires in Moonglade.
Pincus make Chingaso laugh...

[Rasta]

I vote no... because my character personally doesn't really care whether we are or not. I just kind of have my own agenda, which, in my opinion, is hindered when I'm forced into combat with the opposing faction (or my own), and thus I try to avoid it and be peaceable whenever possible. Also, I'm your all-around "nice guy" IC, or at least I try to be =P

This has largely to do with the fact that when I'm in an area when I'm forced into PvP, I'm usually trying to quest, and when I'm trying to quest, it's usually because I'm trying my darndest to get to 60 asap.

[Thartis]

I voted Yes, When Thartis left the miltary for retirement he was still in dealing pockets of battles. He will never think the battle is over till the Armiess come home and start rebuilding the lands again.

[Vilmah]

Nope! That's why she's a member of sanctuary. She believes we should be peaceful and frolic amongst the daisies.

Althought she's been having a hard time believing that lately, about elves. But she's trying. Honest.

[Syreena]

I voted yes. Syreena believes the factions are at war because a Grim said so, even though Thrall himself told her there is peace.

[Hifazat]

Technically Stromgarde has never been at peace. There were the trolls, then the ogres, then the orcs and now they are called the Horde.

So yeah we are 100% at war in my character's eyes.

[Laron]

I have not seen any direct odrers to kill any Horde on site. So Laron doesn't believe we are at war, but he is also not a soldier, so it wouldn't matter if we were... Money spends on both sides just as well.

((In fact, does anyone know how, or if I can get rid of my Private rank?))

[Xeran]

((In fact, does anyone know how, or if I can get rid of my Private rank?))

I think as long as you get less than 25 kills per week, the rank should decay until it is gone. It may take quite a while.

[Hifazat]

Yeah get a couple of DKs :D No I am being serious. Get DKs and your rank should be empty within seconds.

[Vuudu]

"It's not binding unless war were declared."

*WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP!*

"What is that?"

"War were declared."

[Xeran]

Yeah get a couple of DKs :D No I am being serious. Get DKs and your rank should be empty within seconds.

True. I think it's an immediate 2% rank reduction per DHK?

[Vuudu]

DKs are to your Rank what death in Everquest is to your Experience.

Getting a DK immediately decreases your "Rank XP", and it can bump you down levels. The good news (for those of us pursuing higher rank) is that DKs have no long term effects - you can just gain the honor back. And it is kinda fun to be climing the leaderboard with 120 DKs. :)

[Xeran]

One guy on the server I used to play on got so fed up with the honor system, he was going for the DHK record. He played a human mage. Every so often, I'd see him in the Barrens repeatedly killing every vendor he could pull out of town. It was kind of funny. I swear, I didn't see that RAS guy for about a month.

[Malebrignon]

"It's not binding unless war were declared."

*WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP!*

"What is that?"

"War were declared."

Yup. That's where I was goin'. Original title was "War were declared", but thought that was a bit impartial for a poll. Not everyone watches enough Futurama to catch the reference, though they should be forced to if they don't.

[Maegannon]

Yes AND NO (Though I voted no)

Yes, because "A Cease Fire" just means the armies can't engage. There is very little to dictate that rogue factions or spies can't still wage the war... thats why its called a Cold War..

Which is what I think the state of the two factions are currently in. Spies, rogues, and Assasins taking it upon themselves to utterly and completely anoy the other side, at all costs.

[AkuTazee]

I believe that we are at war. That's actually the way Blizzard states it to be, on PvP realms, and thus, I assume, on RP-PvP realms. Don't believe me? Go to this page: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/realmtypes.html


Player vs. Player Realms

These realms are labeled PvP in the realm selection screen when you enter the game. You can play the same way you play on a Normal realm, except that PvP mode will sometimes be switched on automatically without any action on your part, allowing the other player characters from the opposite faction to attack you without warning. That is why you can think of the Player vs. Player realms as "war" realms. On Player vs. Player realms, you are in a constant state of war against the other faction.

In my opinion, we ARE at war. There have been delegations and exceptions, but you used to be able to walk into Alterac Valley and see swarms and swarms of Horde/Alliance soldiers in frightening proximity of each other. You're telling me that Thrall didn't authorize the Frostwolf Clan to engage in open war with the Alliance? I didn't think so.