New Guild: <Homogenized>

[chasevrocket]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/blazedarkarma/WoW/TaurenGuild.jpg

Sorry, I couldn't resist. =)

This will be a guild for those who are interested in being part of a small community for those who are of the gay/bi orientation and are male Tauren. This is an RP/PVP guild; we do not care about gender In Real Life (Yes, you can be female in reality; we're not checking at the door) and you don't have to be an avid role-player to join. However, we will expect you to follow the rules of the server and perhaps use MyRP, FlagRSP, or some other form of identifier to the RP community. The ranks will be vanilla and not inappropriate.

Many folks will not wish to put their "mains" in this guild; this is expected and completely acceptable and understandable. Especially since some folks may wish to keep their lives private. There will be a channel available to those who join the guild so that they or their accepting friends may chat freely while on other alts/mains to keep up guild/social interaction.

As far as ERP is concerned, always keep it in party/whispers, and try to be in a secluded area. Always be respectful to other players in-game.

If you're interested in joining: You may hit me on "Mortifer" or "Setbak." If you wish to be discrete and not give away your main/username, create your alt for the guild and contact me in-game on said alt. If I'm not available, you can always "/who Da Cartel Enforcers" and ask someone in-game if Setbak can be reached. My guild-mates can find me without an issue. You don't need to explain why you wish to speak to me other than it's "private."

As far as guild rules, we're Steamwheedle owned and operated. We will attempt to form alliances with all other Steamwheedle allies. If they're not allies, feel free to PVP. Bloodsail Note: Those interested in obtaining Bloodsail quest rewards will be given this opportunity.

I'm open for any constructive criticism, suggestions, feedback, etc.!

Our website will be: http://shortlink.co.uk/s32 (Don't mind the colors, etc. It's a place-holder).

((Should Other Male Races Be Able to Join as Honorary Members?)) <=========================================

[Cabriel]

/frown

I don't play a Tauren, but I think this is such an exciting and cool idea! If you ever have an event where my Blood Elf, Cabriel, can help out, please don't hesitate to ask. He'll do anything...fundraising, wet-tunic contest...whatever. :)

Good luck!!!

[Aphraelle]

OMFG What did I start? /rofl

Yay, go you! And my lil' "that-way-inclined" :D drood Ishnelotanka will be contacting you at some point.

... this is gonna give a whole new layer of meaning to the concept of "bear porn"... *smirk*

[Cabriel]

Truly. You can't get more leather than a bunch of cows running around in studded belts.

[Visant]

Too funny! Sadly I have no male Tauren to join up with. Good luck with the new herd. :)

[Ninorra]

I was expecting to see Dio as a founding member. >_>

[Ghosteye]

Hmmm...

[Lovely]

I was expecting to see Dio as a founding member. >_>

You mean he's not? :)

[chasevrocket]

Should I create a rank for honorary members who aren't Tauren but of that orientation to join? =p I know there might be a lot of BE out there haha.

[Kaliera]

Should I create a rank for honorary members who aren't Tauren but of that orientation to join? =p I know there might be a lot of BE out there haha.

Well, be prepared to have more BE than tauren in there if you allow it. :x

[Ninorra]

I know there might be a lot of BE out there haha.

ZING!

[Risticus]

*Creates Tauren Male alt.*
<3 Chase

[Sanrin]

Wait wait...using 'gay' in a sentence isnt cool but this is?

Hmm...

[chasevrocket]

Wait wait...using 'gay' in a sentence isnt cool but this is?

Hmm...

o_o off-topic?

[Chikt]

I was expecting to see Dio as a founding member. >_>

No, he's not, and it makes me sad. I mean, just look at the tabard!

[Faelen]

Well well well....

Who was waiting for me to read this post? *chuckles some*

I've made so many Tauren alts over time it's not even funny... however it doesn't mean I cannot start one again, for the sake of guild and fun!

[Sanrin]

o_o off-topic?


Nothing against your topic! Just saying, I noticed no one is approachin this one the same way they did the other. hm...

[kerrala]

To be honest I don't see this guild lasting long; I remember hearing a while ago about people making a similar guild, in the end it was disbanded by the GMs.

[Grev]

To be honest I don't see this guild lasting long; I remember hearing a while ago about people making a similar guild, in the end it was disbanded by the GMs.
Care to elaborate? Why exactly would this guild be disbanded by GMs?

And what was the similar guild? Because I've never recalled a roleplaying guild on Twisting Nether with this concept.

[Chikt]

There was a gay RP guild on a sever quite a while back. They copped a lot of slack for the whole "Gay RP guild" thing and reported people that harassed them. Rather than the harassers getting punished though, the guild was forced to disband by Blizzard, who basically said that if gay people want to play the game without issue they shouldn't create gay guilds or flaunt the fact that they were homosexual.

[Visant]

And yet there are still a few well known guilds with this theme such as the Stonewall Champions and Taint that seem to be doing just fine.

[Chikt]

And yet there are still a few well known guilds with this theme such as the Stonewall Champions and Taint that seem to be doing just fine.

It could very well have just been one of those one in a million stories where a good guild got matched up with a bad GM. I really wish Homogenized the best of luck, and it seems they have the support of the TNG (or at least a handfull of members on it) so that's got to count for something as far as stability is concerned.

[Sanrin]

Taint is a reform of The Spreading Taint I believe, which was an all gay guild that was harssed hardcore for...being gay. Dont think they did anything wrong, just people found out what they were and apparently that's bad.

[Ninorra]

I flaunt the fact that I'm heterosexual all the time. Let them have their gay cow guild. I think it adds flavor to an otherwise way too serious guild layout we got goin' on.

In other news, if I were to make a BElf version of Hard Gay, could I join?

[Fallacy]

Actually, I've heard about such guilds being disbanded before. Blizzard's reasoning seems to be that they're sexually discriminatory or they don't want guilds promoting sexual lifestyles (not directed at homosexuality alone).

[opalexian]

OMG Hard Gay! <3

[Villayna]

x.x I'd prefer Twisting Nether not become the next Ravenholdt.

I don't have anything against the GUILD. I do cringe at seeing it publically advertised.

[Sanrin]

Agreed on both counts Goblin.

[Ghosteye]

Yeah, I still haven't decided what I think about it.

[Xorek]

A guild that advertises itself as gay positive, but allows anyone in, is fine by me.
A guild that advertises as gay only in terms of real life persuasion, is not fine...but I don't think that's what this is.

In character requirements are completely up to guild, I've seen guilds that only allowed female toons....so why not one that only allows gay toons. *shrug* Xerath is straight, Xaran is sexless, and I've not had any cause to consider anyone else. I've got a level 9 druid....who knows. :)

[Furta]

The logical progression of the concept would be to create a sister guild that roams the barrens, Arathi highlands, Mulgore and the various other grass covered regions.

The guild would naturally be called Pasteurized.

[Chikt]

The logical progression of the concept would be to create a sister guild that roams the barrens, Arathi highlands, Mulgore and the various other grass covered regions.

The guild would naturally be called Pasteurized.

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That was bad and you should feel bad!

[chasevrocket]

The guild will not be advertised beyond word of mouth from friend to friend or on this forum. Yes, I know Blizzard has removed guilds for openly advertising themselves as gay, but I believe <Homogenized> is obscure enough and funny to be accepted, so long as we don't start doing... gay pride marches, etc. which is not what this guild was meant for. This guild is meant to be for casual socialization and enjoying the game just like any other guild, cept all the characters have a certain trait. The same could be said about guilds that only let human paladins in or humans period.

I do not foresee any issues. The ranks are as follows, just so you can see how discrete:

GL: The Beef
Officer: Bull
Member: RP-PVP
Member: P v P
Member: Role-Player
Newbie: Calf

So, that's not even sexual in any way.

[opalexian]

The guild will not be advertised beyond word of mouth from friend to friend or on this forum.

You do realize that someone just signed up a forum account named 'Dehlida' don't you? This place isn't as private as you might think, especially since it's advertised to RPers so much on the realm forum.

I hope your guild does well, although your advertisement of ERP makes me reluctant to join and kind of uncomfortable about it being posted here.

[Agnarr]

I thought this sort of thing was why we were all up in arms about the Freelance Police?

[Alana]

off topic: why isn't Keralla banned from this site?

on topic: i dont know about all teh banning crap, but i would probably report the guild name simple because i'm anal retentive about non RP sounding guild names.

[Fallacy]

I thought this sort of thing was why we were all up in arms about the Freelance Police?

No, the Freelance Police were a bunch of (rather idiotic) RP griefers under the guise of working under the realm policies, which they weren't doing well anyway. This is the work of known roleplayers, albeit more than a little tongue-in-cheek, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but don't expect much support.

[chasevrocket]

You do realize that someone just signed up a forum account named 'Dehlida' don't you? This place isn't as private as you might think, especially since it's advertised to RPers so much on the realm forum.

I hope your guild does well, although your advertisement of ERP makes me reluctant to join and kind of uncomfortable about it being posted here.

I don't recall ever advertising ERP. I do recall saying that if members did ERP, that they would be held to the same standards as anyone else on the server and would be required to respect others. This is more of an acceptance.

An example of an ERP guild would be <Evening Companions> which is based around "high-quality" prostitutes. I'd prefer if you'd keep the two notions separate. I'm not against ERP; in fact, I'm all for it, but I never said that this was what this guild was about. I merely accept an inevitable fact that it will happen and when it does, people need to be mindful of others.

As for Dehlida, he has agreed to not mess up anyone's role-play. He has gotten tired of being camped at random by Cartel and came forth to talk things out; so I'm not entirely worried about him. Other grievers? It is impossible to shield the guild entirely. I feel comfortable with this forum, thusly, I posted here. And when the website is up, it'll be discrete as well. If I encounter a problem, then it'll be dealt with when the time comes. Until then, I plan to relax and have a good time on WoW.

[Furta]

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That was bad and you should feel bad!

those of us into paronomasia tend to be rather shameless about it.
The closest I can get would be to duel a mage.

[Solenev]

those of us into paronomasia tend to be rather shameless about it.
The closest I can get would be to duel a mage.

Furta is my pun hero.

[chasevrocket]

Pun Hero? wtf =p

[Ninorra]

The way I feel about the guild is this:

It's a bunch of fay tauren who decided to make their own gay pride guild. No difference between them and the gay/lesbian clubs that are around in real life. I can see a bunch of tauren coming up with the name "Homogenized" IC, no problem. They'd be the type that have a sense of humor.

[Solenev]

Pun Hero? wtf =p

Slight digression, but Furta had a thread of puns awhile ago. It was awesome.

[Ryoku]

This guild is the gayest shit I've ever seen. :D

You have my support.

[Sanrin]

To be fair vilmah i hate gay clubs irl too. And those dumb black awareness clubs. And most race/gender/species only clubs. Why? Cuz its a sad cry for attention when you should be doing the opposite. I dont really thing its funny, cute, or well organized since most of those things that exist are just an easy way to meet people of your creed....then bitch about injustice? To me making a lighthearted and fun joke around gay guild is the same as being able to say to call someone gay when they're buying a top thats a little too colorful. Its a joke, hahahahaha, funny funny we all laugh.

But we just had a thread about how people dont like it when i call Ryoku gay. Or make statements like Arokai eats penis. Or suggest that they both like to cuddle...with dicks! If those statements bother you, then this guild should to because all of it continues to habor the thought that homosexuality can be joked about the same as how black people enjoy chicken and old chinese people cant fucking drive or manage their blinkers. har har, racism and homophobia are funny but only in the context I give? Sorry, i know im a pretty offensive guy in my own circle of friends...and maybe even out of that a little, but i hate to see people make a point and then not defend it...or worse stand up against one form of prejudice but let another one 'slide'.

[Daedraug]

i hate to see people make a point and then not defend it...or worse stand up against one form of prejudice but let another one 'slide'.

Well, as one of the people coming down on the sort of behavior we were talking about in the other thread, I have to say -I- didn't respond because I'm not making the connection between the two subjects that you are. If this turned into a vehicle to mock people of that lifestyle and ridicule them through some running joke, then I'd have a problem with it. Since it doesn't look like that's the intent, I'm don't.

I really don't see how this is related to not thinking its OK to yell the n-word in vent or condone the derogatory language, so I didn't feel the need to say anything.

I also don't have anything against clubs or groups of specific cultural or sexual identities, as long as their mission is to create bridges with other groups and mainstream society, and not to promote insular tribalism.

[Ryoku]

But we just had a thread about how people dont like it when i call Ryoku gay. Or make statements like Arokai eats penis. Or suggest that they both like to cuddle...with dicks!


IT'S SO TURE!

[Cabriel]

To be fair vilmah i hate gay clubs irl too. And those dumb black awareness clubs. And most race/gender/species only clubs. Why? Cuz its a sad cry for attention when you should be doing the opposite. I dont really thing its funny, cute, or well organized since most of those things that exist are just an easy way to meet people of your creed....then bitch about injustice? To me making a lighthearted and fun joke around gay guild is the same as being able to say to call someone gay when they're buying a top thats a little too colorful. Its a joke, hahahahaha, funny funny we all laugh..

First off...grow up. You're coming off as an angry and embittered person who doesn't really provide whole lot of fact or reasoning to back up the statements you make. It has nothing to do with gay, either, I think. From your tone and approach, it just seems like you love talk. That said, I look forward to reading your posts because I can appreciate a dissenting opinion...

Second: There's nothing wrong with wanting to "meet people of your own creed", regardless. For the record, there are VERY few gay organizations that exist to separate LGBT's from the larger world community. It has little to do with attention, and much to do with providing visibility, as well as celebrating identity.

You're not wrong to have these thoughts...just uninformed and narrow, which I think is worse. *shrug*

Seriously, though...


I really don't see how this is related to not thinking its OK to yell the n-word in vent or condone the derogatory language, so I didn't feel the need to say anything.

...he's right.

/e backs up to receive the verbal lashing

[Sanrin]

Im uninformed and narrow to think that a group of people getting together to bitch about inequality is stupid? Sorry, i dont think its narrow minded to have a position on any subject. I stated my reasons : I think that its more or less a group of people looking to be pissed off so they all get together to do it with people who share the same reasons. Facts? Sorry, I cant really give much of those aside from my own experiences. The 'minority communities' if you will that form up so they can meet one another, and then focus on awareness programs that only contribute to the issue. Dont get me wrong, I've no issue with groups that work together for causes...just as long as those causes arent 'pity us - we've a fight to win'.

And I think its on the subject just the same because this is a 'we our gay, check it out, laugh at our name etc' thing. Yeah, it makes me angry that the guild would be made. The same as The Spreading Taint pissed me off because of its reference to AIDS in the Homosexual community, I dont care if its an all gay guild I think its stupid. If they're going to fight for equality and the push for 'hate term' usage to be stopped then it needs to start at home. To me, its all related Felix/Dae...when you poke fun at yourself you cant be upset when people poke fun at you as well - even if they mean it in a more hateful way. As ive already stated, im all for doing/saying whatever...so in the end, yes Im not really getting angry because THIS persay upsets me and my morals. Im pissed because you guys just spent an entire thread explaning your lack of tolerance for any kind of 'hate' term and to me if you're going to stand against all forms of prejudice then a guild showcasing a huge black naked cow referencing huge penis for gay people (though combined to make a funny pun) would be something you'd stand against.

[Cabriel]

Felix/Dae...when you poke fun at yourself you cant be upset when people poke fun at you as well - even if they mean it in a more hateful way.

Actually, we can. It's called reclaiming. It's the difference between defusing a term and using it as a weapon.

But as I've said, this thread has nothing to do with that. Agreeing to disagree is a beautiful thing. So I'm done! Good luck to you <Homogenized>!

[Visant]

Wow, this thread should be renamed “Place for people to dump their baggage” right about now. A few things:

1. At no point does guild leader say this is an ERP guild. Yes the original poster does say that people should be considerate about ERP and keep it private, but it does not state that is the purpose of the guild.

2. This is a recruitment thread for a new guild. It isn’t a place to drag other issues into, even if the word gay was associated with that other thread and the word gay is used to describe this guild. That thread ended up being about hate speech and this is a guild that requires the characters to be gay or bisexual males. No amount of angry rant posts will make it the same thing.

3. Nowhere does the original poster say that this will be a place to come and bitch about how mean everyone is to gay people. Go back and read it again.

4. The cow advertising this guild is not in fact naked. He is wearing at least a tabard, some bracers, boots and since the game does not let characters be naked he has to have some shorts on under there. Go look at the picture again.

5. The name of the guild is familiar to Horde players because it is something the male Tauren says when you used the /silly emote. Somehow I don’t think it is “referencing huge penis for gay people”.

People, especially Sanrin, need to take a step back and stop imagining things.

[Sanrin]

If you'd like to discuss the rest ill be more then happy to defend my statements and view on ethics in a PM with you Visant, but I still feel strongly that im correct about much of what I said earlier. I do however, take back a few things. Im not imaginin nuttin Visant, however i'd like to point out that bracers and a tabard isnt really clothed, and i've never noticed boots on a taurens hooves. Hes more or less naked. Ya wanna discuss the rest, be happy to...but not in this thread. No mas.

[Furta]

The guild name combined with the racial/ gender theme makes for a great multi-level visual pun.
Add in some zealous patriotism and perhaps a territorial claim and you could pass as a stag nation.

Why does the guild need to be gay/bi?
That, more than anything, puzzles me.

[Izrail]

The guild name combined with the racial/ gender theme makes for a great multi-level visual pun.
Add in some zealous patriotism and perhaps a territorial claim and you could pass as a stag nation.

Why does the guild need to be gay/bi?
That, more than anything, puzzles me.

It's one of the male Tauren /silly emotes: "Homogenized? No way, I like the ladies."

[Chikt]

It's one of the male Tauren /silly emotes: "Homogenized? No way, I like the ladies."

Looks like this guild can't do the /silly emote.

Unless they're lucky and get the one about the snake.